Four-Kings Intel - Show Some Support!

Four-Kings Intel – Show Some Support!

Infinity-eSports, 2002: Edwards, Harriman, Wright, Lucking,
Mangiacapra, Neffgen

The warmup was flickering before my eyes, the HLTV admin had neglected to turn off public talk, naturally we were doused with typical American machismo, and brags about the superiority of American sides on de_cpl_mill. I relaxed slightly, resting my back against the stylish, yet affordable, leather chair. It felt good, I had had my face far too close to the screen and my back was paying the price. The smell of coffee reminded me to consume its remainder before it went cold. My 3rd cup of coffee in as many hours, I was tired, jittery and nervous. Why nervous? I wasn't sure, but if they could push SK.Sca, a team boasting 3 former world champions, they certainly had a shot at a top 10 finish.

I wanted it for them so badly, my role in their success had been extremely limited, arranging a week long bootcamp at a gaming cafe in Slough, it was the team that had put in the effort. Yet I felt a part of it, we all did, the #infinity-esports channel, rapidly expanding pass the 600 guest mark. Everyone that followed the team it the 2002 Winter World Championships had had some sort of connection with one of the i-es members. Either they played against one of them on a public server once, or they spoke with them for a few minutes at a LAN event, spoke to one of them over irc or their brother's friend's girlfriend's dog walker once met one of their mothers...their was nearly always some sort of connection. More than that, these guys represented us, they were the finest achievements of what we could achieve.

All members had earned their spot in the team some way or another, Mangiacapra a life-long loyal member from the earliest B!tch days, Harriman a member of the Uninspired lineup that defeated 4K at Primary Strike 2002, Edwards a member of Nocturne 4k's biggest rivals, Wr!ght a member of -m4- who defeated the team at a CPL Holland qualifier, Luck1ng..a legend from the early days who'd lost little of his skill.

4K were undisputedly, undeniably number 1. Yes for a while there it was close, Nocturne had risen, and in the minds of many, stolen their crown for a couple of months, but it hadn't lasted. The team had been through a lot together, seen off the challenges of Nocturne and -CSA-, made HeatoN famous, dominated the UK scene for so long. This was the time to prove it to the world!

I alt-tabbed back to IRC, 823 people..bless them, 823 people who, probably like me, had made a considerable caffeine-aided effort to stay awake, stay up and watch the action unfold. A victory over RiotSquad, a thriller against SK.sca and now 8th seed Texas Area Untouchables on Mill. Sure they had been falsely seeded 22nd (despite a top 12 placing at the Winter event) but they knew they were so much better than that. The players began joining their pre-determined teams, 4K Counter-Terrorists, TAU terrorists...live on 3 restarts...restart...restart...restart....

When I think back upon my memories of 4K, all their encounters, all their games, the games I watched sitting behind them at LAN events, the games I watched over HLTV, the games I watched while they were playing on a stage at the World Cyber Games, no game ever matches the intensity, joy, and connection I felt as that TAU encounter. Win or lose, the outcome wouldn't have made a difference, it was a feeling of how much I cared, how much I wanted them to win and how much we all wanted them to win. 800+ people hardly stay awake for the majority of the night to see them lose. It was a buzz, and I haven't felt so connected to the UK CS community since, like supporting a football club, we were a community, a proper community.

Now hold your trigger-happy mouse-clickers, don't go wading over to that top-right 'x' just yet, this is not about to turn into a "UK CS scene is dieing" column or a "what needs to be done to imrpove the scene" post, because, spelling mistakes aside, we have had more than our fair share of them to make us feel gloomy. It is more of a post reflecting on what has happened for us to stop supporting 4K like we used to? Now whilst it could be something as simple as a reflection of a UK CS scene decline, or a general decline for CS in general there seem to be other factors involved.

I'm not quite sure when I realised that the support for 4K had diminshed, it feels to me, or perhaps it is just me, that people began to support 4K less when the aforementioned connection to the players vanished. 4K for a long time were an extremely stable lineup, any team that makes less than 3 team changes a year is fairly stable right? Yet when major money from Intel began rolling in, 4K had to respond by acquiring the best players that money could attract to remain at the top of their game. Edwards, Luck1ng and Kwak found themselves homeless (briefly) in favour for other names such as Xenon, Dark and ShaQ, players that we still accepted mainly because we knew them, but then the changes never stopped throughout 2003, as with each change their results got progressively worse. ShaQ left, m0rph joined, m0rph left. I believe the real turning point came when Wr!ght left, being one of the leaders of the team his departure meant that the team, for the first time in it's existence, was no longer a 'UK-side' by many people's beliefs.

Perhaps the bigger issue here wasn't that UK players were being replaced by foreign ones as 4K strived ever-greater for success, it was that the replacements were unknowns. They were no longer SK world champions like Xenon and Dark, they were SEL players, good SEL players, but nonetheless players that weren't familiar to us, for the first time, we did not actually know the line-up, the former players had their names splashed regularly across UKT headlines, these did not.

So a CPL later and 4K are no better off than they were with a UK side. Dropping from a 5th place at CPL Summer to 8th place at CPL Winter. Something had to change, and it did, Xenon vanished as did Dark, Hartman went for military service and Snajdan dropped off the radar too. New blood was required, so for the first time since the m0rph debacle, a UK player was recruited...Akujii, though sadly along with another rather unknown foreigner in Juven9le. But was it too late by now?

Last Year: Zommy, Dark, Harriman,
Mangiacapra, Juve9le, Hartman

If 4K were going to once again recapture our interests and spirit in the way they used to they needed not only a stable line-up, a line-up which we could come to know and respect, but also just one or two big results. It wasn't happening, ESWC turned into a disaster, then further confusion over a c4u result and everything was still sliding downhill. Possibly the last chance to reignite our passion was the Summer 2004 CPL World Championships.

Sadly we rarely remember defeats, no matter how close, sure 11 - 13 against SK.sca and 17 - 19 sticks out in our minds, but sadly 7 - 13s against g3x and 15 - 19s at the hands of NoA did little to recapture the spirit, or form, of old. Four-Kings, after months locked away practicing in Swansea and vast amounts spent practicing in Brazil, achieved their worse result in 2 and a half years, 9th - 12th.

It (sadly) continued to get worse, Juven9le left, Dark vanished, Goodfella arrived and Snajdan rejoined. The team also embarked upon a 3-week practice session in Sweden, competing daily against the world's greatest top sides. Then mid-way through such practice disaster struck once again, Snajdan, supposedly upset with the attitude of other 4K members, departed the team. Red` another unknown Swede, talented..but unknown was brought in to replace him. How many of us sighed upon reading this news I wonder?

4K sunk to a new low during CPL Winter, indeed the results became so bad us at UKT couldn't even muster the effort to report the majority of them. Sadly to say they lost to Complexity Syndicate and Alt.Attax finishing in 13th - 16th position. Their worst ever performance at a CPL event in 4 years. Pre-CPL 4K had taken a rather acute bashing at the hands of Gotfrag’s Midway, many UKT readers took to the offensive responding, sometimes very intelligently, sometimes not so intelligently, to the article. The final thoughts on the matter were “wait and see”, we needed, for the first time in some time, for 4K not to let us down! Which sadly did not happen.

The World eSports Games are a perfect opportunity for a team such as 4K to prove themselves, or at least improve themselves. With Intel’s financial support and limited commitments on behalf of the members, 4K could match both the expenses and length-of-time involved. By now, most 4K news and results were met with apathy, we no longer cared. They lost to ABIT-Who? whatever…what’s on telly? They beat FLUX?..who are they?

Last Week: Harriman, Akujii, Goodfella,
Mangiacapra, Red`

Then something bizarre and unexpected happened. They did what Tim Henman has been trying to accomplish at Wimbledon for the past 9 years. They exceeded our expectations. Possibly even our wildest expectations, they defeated the CPL World Champions Team NoA on map they proved under 6 weeks ago they play better than anyone in the world. The sad thing about this victory, is the small amount of fuss that was made over it. Few comments, few questions, few cares or concerns. Had 4K defeated the CPL World Champions 2 years ago we would have gone start struck crazy with joy. Now, nothing! a silent empty void filling the space where our support and passion or the UK’s greatest team used to be.

4K didn’t stop there, like a fire finally igniting inside them they progressed with a victory over MouseSports, then Maven, then the other night conquering ABIT-Strike to advance into the semi-finals. Yet still, such little interest, perhaps this could stem from a lack of HLTV or available demos to watch. But that would never have stopped the 800+ people that stayed awake nearly 3 years ago to watch 4K give TAU a hiding. I wonder how many of those 800+ people are still following 4K’s progress, have they moved on perhaps? House, mortgage, 2.4 children? Possibly, many former games now enjoy the hazards of commitments and obligations.

If 4K wins their semi-final encounter, and even at present form that is still a big ‘if’, 4K will be in the finals of an international competition for the first time in the team’s history. More than that, they will be in the finals of a competition against a team that they have proved they can beat. Is there any better time to get behind our boys? Final thought…

Three weeks ago, 4K were down and out, defeated by another team we really knew little about. Three weeks ago no-one would have given 4K a chance against 3rd place CPL side, GamerCo. This Sunday they go into the semi-final, not only with a guaranteed $7,000, but also as favourites. We all know that supporting a team is primarily about supporting a team through the good and bad. Supporting a team is dragging yourself to a Division 2 game in the pouring rain to watch your team slog out another defeat as they crash into the relegation zone, supporting a team is phoning up for tickets to England International games the moment the tickets go on sale and supporting a team is staying awake half the night, going in to work exhausted the next day, just to watch them play. For the 800+ of you that watched the TAU game, good times, bad times, we have been through the bad; it’s time to rejoice in the good!

- Myers

Comments

Robbb
06:45 21/2/2005
good post [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
06:45 21/2/2005
Think I made an error with 4K's winter cpl finish, my bad, didn't actually look it up. I'll correct later, so feel free not to point it out. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ablation
contact!
06:53 21/2/2005
Good article, but I doubt 800 people would have stayed up to watch a scorebot on IRC. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
akujii0r
Infinity-eSports
06:53 21/2/2005
was a real good read :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
akujii0r
Infinity-eSports
06:58 21/2/2005
There has been a lot of support of congratulations and such, but i guess people find it hard to follow without the intensity of HLTV going down too the remaining rounds and having little talking points about the games since they cant quite make out who did what from the VODs. For example vs NoA we went 11-4 up and ended up 11 needing the last two rounds to win, if there was HLTV im sure there would have been a lot of support but i just think the community is struggling and so is cs :o in europe at least [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
07:01 21/2/2005
heh, just realised last 2 paragraphs somehow got chopped off in the formatting, please re-read it if you've read it already. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Wolfie
WanadooWolfie
07:51 21/2/2005
I haven't followed UKT nearly as much as I used to, but it seems as though the vast majority of people will post purely to be arguementative or negative - either to be tedious, or thats just how they are. When 4K go an win something, they sit and think "hey, now what am I going to say?" and instead of saying "well done lads, keep it up" like they would have done a few years back - maybe even just this time last year - they'll keep schtum. Maybe a way of measuring sucess and popularity, should be by how little comments there are nowadays :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DanceMag`
08:01 21/2/2005
Good read! I was never around in the CS scene when 4kings were as big as they used to be, or around to when nocturne/i-es, or even disturbed were big. i missed out :'(

But i do hope spank the yanks, and upset some americans, that wuld make my day [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
lukuS
08:04 21/2/2005
Nice read :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NoNo^
08:10 21/2/2005
4k v nip aztec the genuis etc heaton 4 kill pistol round or was it potty jesus ive been around to long!!!!!

Nice article gl 4k [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Tru
08:42 21/2/2005
it was heaton NoNo^

I've supported 4k for as long as I've been around, bollocks to those who take the p***. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
JediBitch
fightclubclan
09:06 21/2/2005
it was a heaton eco, not pistol :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
09:07 21/2/2005
Nice article.
Would have been a lot more support with HLTV, i watched the video of it, class stuff.
CS sponsored by nike and coca-cola was it? crazy koreans ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Weebull
09:54 21/2/2005
I remember watching the summer CPL 2002. It still remains the only major CS tournament I actively watched on HLTV and followed. It just came at a point in my life (gap year) where I had pretty much f*** all to do, so I had the time to watch it. It was great seeing I-eS doing so well, and the matches I watched of them were great, there was real support.

Then they seemed to decide that the key to success was to chop and change foreigners regularly. I think that annoyed a lot of followers over here, as we saw diminishing returns every single time, and the constant foreigners made 4k feel less and less like a UK team imo.

I would actually like to watch them play GamerCo, but the WEG is a difficult tournament to follow. Not just with the lack of HLTV (which is a major minus), but the fact that it's taking place over such a long period. A match every 4 or so days might be great for those out there, but it makes it too easy to lose track of who's playing when. And when the only site I visit regularly is UKT, who don't really bother to report anything with any regularity these days, it's even harder to keep track. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
mebR
11:22 21/2/2005
i think support dwindling was/is alot down to the 4k members never getting involved in the community. but that seems to be changing because i see akujii posting a fair bit, and goodfella seems to post on other sites as well, so like you talked about at the start of your article, i guess we might be becoming more attached to the players again !

also, i dont know if its just me, but if i dont see 4k win or come top 3 then i think theyv failed, because i think they are capable of that. maybe its just expectations are too high (or not if u look at weg)! [ Score: 1, informative | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
stabby
Virgins!
11:23 21/2/2005
the reason why people dont support 4k as a UK team is because they dont support the uk scene...

They choose not to be assosiated with the uk scene by not attending any UK lans.

<3 snow :D [ Score: 1, informative | Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
kelleh
11:53 21/2/2005
yes, it'd be nice to see them take part in anything uk-related at all, ever. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
12:04 21/2/2005
The amount of times Harriman comes on irc and complains about having to play cs because it's far from his favourite passtime... How's that endearing people to want to support them?

Following what the UK did in the NC, people are behind the PCG + Ady + Kardy type of players now. They're the ones they want to see achieving. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Jam
12:06 21/2/2005
Why cant myers post every column and news post. Seriously noone writes like he does. Only long post I have read in ages rich. Congrats...

On a sidenote, I do think the lack of coverage here in the UK affects the interest of the average Joe. I personally have always supported 4k (as i have Tim Henman, oops) as I dont think shouting "THEY SUCK...cant even win CPL" helps much. I mean, maybe they are not as good as they used to be, but cummon, they dont suck...

GL to them [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
fsk
twisted Reality
12:12 21/2/2005
Im not reading this right now, can barely focus, I'll do it later.

But 4k lost alot of support once they started going after foreigners, gained nothing from them and flopped. I think it made alot of high skilled uk players think, "what you think we aint good enough, to give us a try?"

They've found a good formula with this team, so hopefully they stick to it!

Flying 2/3 swedish players over for a minor lan such as a Unicon or something, is not worth it. Then theres the lack of competition, the best teams being 1 of 3 Forsaken.salsa mixes and a CHEERS revival mix, who would barely touch this 4kings teams anyway, waste of time and money for them. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
12:35 21/2/2005
I think its a waste of money to go to unicon even if you live in uk, its bloody s***!, the pc specs were not too bad before 1.6 and steam i guess, but they are s*** now, REALLY could do with a lan as good as or better the hub in the midlands where top teams can regularly play each other.
Yep im whining [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DooMeh
Lite
12:46 21/2/2005
Doesnt intel pay for them though? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
wiLeh
12:51 21/2/2005
nicely written article, gotta admit you really dont get much writing style in UKT columns usually.
But support-our-troops in Korea [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
callous
Specster
13:03 21/2/2005
i had my friends over for a lan, parents away somewhere and they all wanted to play quake3, but i was there with my eyes glued to my screen, watching harriman own RS on prod, screaming at the SK game and loving the TAU game, surely i-es's best tourney.. such good times :'( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Jam
13:56 21/2/2005
fsk I honestly think some of the top teams would give 4k a good game...a c4u mix could match them if they played together as a team....

Ctx only clan in the country apart from 4k at the mo doing anything so would like to see what kind of result that would give [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
14:21 21/2/2005
c4u would only ever come close online, and that would be thanks to Wilz00's efforts [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Mupp
14:40 21/2/2005
I don't really care a lot what 4k do anymore a) because i dont really even care about cs and b) because its lineup seems to change every couple of weeks and its always a new random swede that joins, without ol' legends like wright etc the team doesnt seem to have any character D: [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Abdo
15:22 21/2/2005
worst post youve ever done doz. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DanceMag`
15:56 21/2/2005
the dwindling support for all couner-strike teams is due to the lack of caffine beverages aimed at the gaming populus [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
smokincs
Warped Reality
16:02 21/2/2005
Henman will never win wimbledon. FACT! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Asriel
16:21 21/2/2005
coolness [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
GRiFFiN
Virtual Gaming!
16:35 21/2/2005
i agree with mupp lineup = no legends no character, seems stupid but u can actually relate to players like Luck1ng and Wright coz they are english lads almost "local" to us. i have no desire to watch some tit from sweden thats prob gonna be outta the clan in a week anyway. gl anyway lads [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
16:59 21/2/2005
to be honest griffin, much of the time when we supported 4k, they had 2 foreigners in the team anyway? Kwak and Oppie... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anisty-
Prozac
17:05 21/2/2005
the new top of the uk scene could have easily taken 4k a few weeks ago.. now i'm not sure - myers makes a fair point and i think 4k lacked morale and forgot what they could do. I still remember how stu and marc used to play though and it seems the whole team is returning to past form.

double overtime with 3D is the match i remember. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
cpr
17:07 21/2/2005
Only reason why i see them not taking part in any UK event is due to the prizes on offer. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DanceMag`
18:01 21/2/2005
do 4kings need prizes? i honestly don't think so, the reason they go to CPL, is not really for the money (they get all they need, and realistically want), its for the competition, its the most dominant event where they can play all the best teams in the world. Where else can they prove they are good, get fans, new sponsors, better salaries, etc.

IMO they only reason they dont play in the UK, is because they fear they will be beaten. If they do go to a big lan, underperform, how much slating would they get? I dont really blame them, becuase they have a lot to lose. But sometimes people have gotto clench their teeth, and take it like men, for the greater good! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
t0m
18:17 21/2/2005
4k were at there best when marc used to own :P sniff [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Redux
Gifted
18:56 21/2/2005
4k v mouz always made me cringe
made me smile when i saw we had beaten them, actually most of the 4k matches i've watched have alwqays made me bite my finger nails they always seemed to bring it right down to the wire and never quite clitch it. I've followed them in every cpl since i started playing and once they lost i only bothered to watch the final. gj to 4k and its nice to see that they can beat the teams that have tormented them in the past! keep it up lads. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Redux
Gifted
19:22 21/2/2005
4k v mouz always made me cringe
made me smile when i saw we had beaten them, actually most of the 4k matches i've watched have alwqays made me bite my finger nails they always seemed to bring it right down to the wire and never quite clitch it. I've followed them in every cpl since i started playing and once they lost i only bothered to watch the final. gj to 4k and its nice to see that they can beat the teams that have tormented them in the past! keep it up lads. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
m0o
19:35 21/2/2005
Amazing read, and I agree about Myer's unique writing ability (literature hax?) :)

Only thing a disagree with is the fact that nobody is supporting 4K through their perilous journey at WEG!

I've been on so many dodgy Korean sites lately desperately hunting out news of their results that I think i'm starting to write from top to bottom :F I've managed to watch every VOD (inc. all the s***ty yank/asian ones) and I'm behind the lads all the way...

Everytime I read about their latest victory, a fist gets thrust into the air, followed swiftly by a earpiercing orgasmic scream of "YES! ...GET IN!" (the comical phrase varies..)

I've decided I want Akujii's babies after watching the PUG mixed demo from his POV taken from WEG :) I also think the current lineup has great character with GoodFella being a spokesperson, Akujii with his gayboy blonde highlights, the legend that is Sir Marc Mangiacapra along with the rock solid Harriman and new blood Red`.

Since football is for chavs, hooligans and drink-drivers, this is *my* World Cup. A victory for 4K would kick off my 2005 like nothing else... I've become inspired not just with CS but with my other interests too!

* fWaps ... 4K will never die! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
rekkiem
ForsakeN
20:26 21/2/2005
i'm not a chav , a hooligan, and i drink but can't drive - i'll still support united till the end of my days m0o ;)

pretty good column, but it is just the 'cs is dying' point revisited and revamped, i admire your enthusiasm myers but i really just don't think enough people give a s*** about the game anymore, there's too many segregations with the community : you've got the old pros who mutter on about the good old days, the new so called 'elite' who have no respect according to the old pros, the 'noob' cs:source crowd, and those who simply 'hang around' the community as it were without actually playing the game at a competetive level. people b***h too much these days, when i was a lad we... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Jeppo
Last Chance
20:30 21/2/2005
Great read as allways Rich, hopefully 4kings can spark off this event if they can make it too the final and prove to everyone what they can do! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Weebull
21:13 21/2/2005
to be honest griffin, much of the time when we supported 4k, they had 2 foreigners in the team anyway? Kwak and Oppie...
Wasn't that like 2/7 foreigners in that team though? As opposed to 3/5 as it's been at points, and 2/5 as it is now. Plus I do thin kthe distancing of themselves from taking part in any UK LANs, or even talking to anyone over here has lost them support.

I remember Kwak posting (I think it was a column) about when he first came over here to compete at a LAN with the team, and he had no idea where to go, or what to do, but he managed to get there (somehow). It was funny read, and it made him seem like a nice person, which made people like him, which in turn got the clan support. On the flipside of that, when they went and kicked said popular player, they lost support. Hardly a co-incedence. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Abdo
00:31 22/2/2005
The players in cs aren't as cool anymore. And everyone is older. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
cpr
00:52 22/2/2005
Partially agree with you DanceMag but part of it's still due to prize money. And shouldn't it be keep sponsors, not get new ones :). If it was based soley on the CS team then maybe intel wouldn't still be there, who knows!

I don't think they fear being beaten, they get plenty of slating already. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Rav0r
Croydon
02:23 22/2/2005
Theres always been foreigners in 4k? just because they've been performing bad recently people just mention it.

Don't think a lot of people will count this tourney for what its worth, with mercs having been brought in and stuff for some teams, CPL is where 4k have to perform. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ryano
theb0g
11:35 22/2/2005
Team that lanned with 4k in slough before the cpl uk qualifiers in 2002:

Toomy, Shav, Pun, Shads and of course THE DEEAN MEISTER [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ashwee
13:43 22/2/2005
i been there for it all, but i aint gonna admit that s*** :P. i semi bum 4k watched the fragbite streams n s***... need one of u people who give a f*** to post some links n s*** to the demos n stuff, cos all tho i take an interest its only as far as the basic webbies if i have to delve to find s*** its often left unfound. sommert about som1s mum 2 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
sugna
18:03 22/2/2005
not a bad article myerth but i dont think its going to get people supporting 4k again :) Fact is i never did.

"much of the time when we supported 4k, they had 2 foreigners in the team anyway? Kwak and Oppie..."

and my 2 favourite people in 4k at the time :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Stanley
21:31 22/2/2005
Another good post myers, im with you on the feeling that secure faith, and support in the 4kings team has gone rapidly downhill since the new influx of foreign identities has been pouring through intel's management.
However, i know myself, and many others (mainly good old friends) stay tuned in to what 4kings are doing, give them active support, chat with them about developments, and sincerely wish them the best of luck.
Someone posted earlier, commenting on how many supporters lack of identity with 4kings, is due to their insubordination to compete in UK events. What happens at UK events nowadays? f*** all. No big games really, and not even european coverage of them. Landed has some fairly good coverage and proffessionalism, and so does UKT, but i cant see these competitions really dragging in the big names, until there are other big UK names to compete with them.

Oh and myers, when i come down to Gloucester to see jamie, il be sure to bring down the shirt too ;O [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
IronAces
21:19 24/2/2005
4kings have been impressive at WEG

videos @ www.fragbite.com [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Mango
08:31 25/2/2005
They were never cool Abdo! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Qu1rkZ
23:05 24/3/2005
I didn't like the part about midway/gotfrag

All midway said was that 4K's win in the qualifier didnt really prove that 4K could be expected to have a top performance at the real event, and that 4K would have to show that they are a top european team in dallas.

To this, a lot of 4K fans (exclusively from the UK) responded violently, typing out random insults about fat stupid americans and how bad american CS teams are.

(yes, there were some smart posts too, but dont lie, 9/10 were flames on america/american cs/midway)

The best part about that whole situation is that 4K did really badly at that CPL, while american teams did really good overall.

...

imo, the reason 4K has less support atm is:
1) 4K havent been a top team (they've been 10th-20th in the world, not 3rd-5th)
2) 4K are the only UK team of this level.

If 4K aren't giving good games to the top5 teams in the world, and theres no other UK teams that can compete with 4K, what's there to be excited about?

PS: this is all talking about pre-WEG, its hard to say how popular 4K will be now. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
XaseR
17:40 2/4/2005
really late comment but good post Quirkz [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Highlanderrrr
21:17 10/4/2005
your comment is useless now Quirkz ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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