How long does CS have left at the top?

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	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 19:55 30/8/2001	Great article m8, and a topic that's sure to hot up the closer we get to CS2's release (although it's still ages away). Me personally, I'll be happy to trade in my old cs for a newer spankier version with new features (new scenarios etc), but by the time it comes out, who knows what I'll want.... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Octovus 20:51 30/8/2001	You want to know what CS is? It's the game that made multiplayer mainstream. Why? Because a person who had maybe played a singleplayer computer game, probably played a console game, but never tried a multiplayer mode saw it at a friend's house. Went "Cool! Can I try? How do I kill the computers?" at which point they find out that they are playing against people. And that's the only way they can play. I've been around in the online community in general for a while now, since before CS was released, though I didn't try CS until 6.5 (at that it was like 3 days before 6.7 was released). CS is very fun; but it's online only. For that reason things like CS: Condition Zero will not be the same. As much as people say "But then people without net can play it!", the community for cs now (very large) is obviously made up of people with net. CS will always be an on-line game. Artificial intelligence may be good to brush your skills up against, or for when you just want to kick ass and get out some anger without the possibility of losing (assuming you can turn difficulty down). I just hope the developers remember what the original Counter-Strike's goal was in building the next generation. -Octovus [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Demize99 21:09 30/8/2001	People say that if CS2 is the same as CS1 gameplay wise ppl will get bored. I don't buy that. People have been playing CS because they like it now, and will play CS2 which already promises better graphics, a new possibly better engine, new maps undoubtable, new weaponry, and with those will come different ways to play the game. My take on this whole thing is that if CS2 is more of the same, WHOOOT! I'm there. Its damn addicting now, I'm not going to get sick of my online crack. :-) They key to long life with Half-Life, CS and the mods associated is that they evolved, changed, stayed current in the ways they possibly could. CS patches were and are things we played for, praying they'd come soon so we could scope out the new maps and changes. At points the new netcode for example revamped the whole community. If CS2 is able to have official releases that add maps, weapons, game play modes, just generally more content, I think it too will have longevity. People will play it for a long time as long as it changes and isn't the same ole thing day in and out. -Demize99 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	milkPate 21:20 30/8/2001	cs is s*** anyway, the way forward is operation flashpoint. nuff said. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mystical Sock 21:24 30/8/2001	Ah CS, the game that simply refuses to die. I played CS for quite along time and had a lot of fun. I started playing CS when it was at beta 3.0, and continued to play until sometime after Version 1.0 was released. CS did quite a lot of things right and deserved the success that it got. I found that I reached my peak enjoyment with the game in beta's 5-7, after that my playing began to taper off until we reach where I am today. I haven't touched CS from months and I seriously doubt that I will ever go back. The reason for this is as follows (sorry that I'm being so long winded), CS hasn't changed in all the time that I played it. New guns may be added or the player models changed but the core was still set in stone never to be tampered with. I realize that MANY people would object vehemently to any core changes, and I would agree with them wholeheartedly. The core makes CS what it is, and changing that is making a whole new game. The problem here is that so many people have been playing for so long that eventually they will also tired of the formulaic gameplay. When I look at the community today I see lots of new faces and barely any old people from when CS was in its infancy. That is because they to have tired of it. The reason no one has noticed it that the original crowd of people who supported CS was relatively small when compared to the community CS has today, who would notice a drop missing from an ocean? Sooner or later the people who are currently infatuated with CS will also tire of it and leave, except this time since there are so man more people the exodus will be massive and CS will suddenly be supported by a very small group of hard-core players. I personally cannot wait for this to happen because once CS is dead other newer games will be given their chance to shine in their own right. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 22:18 30/8/2001	Good points there guys. And I agree with the guy that said CS is more exciting when patches are being released more often....otherwise it gets slightly stale. Even if the update is minimal and only has cosmetic changes like weapons, maps etc...it's still good and refreshing. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[l33t]TheJudge[SwA] 22:40 30/8/2001	I`ve been playing cs for a while now, since beta 7 anyway, and alot has changed i`m getting at the point now where team play is no longer and issue because of all the new players springing up every day. it is getting boring, i just hope that cs2 has some major changes that will make the game interesting again. i`ve even gone back to playing unreal tournament because of huge variation in game types. what cs really needs is some different map types to really heat things up. how about some assault map where the terrorists have to infiltrate a base guarded by the counter-terrorists, that would make things interesting for a while but there is only so much life left in the once tried and trusted cs formula. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ann0yanc3 22:43 30/8/2001	If CS2 will be CS1 with better graphics, more and better features, and a lot more configuration options for the client and server, then I'll be first in line to buy myself a copy. I feel that CS1 lacks a good amount of features in order for it to be a complete game. The gameplay is there, the features are not. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Drdeath 22:45 30/8/2001	I believe CS is dying cause the community is changing. I've been playing since beta 1 and back then everyone played for a good time. Now a days i go on a server and everyone's screaming at each other and accusing other players of cheating. I've been going on many servers latey and have noticed that there is hardly any "veterens". Most of the players have the retail version now. I think CS was really good before coming out to stores. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 23:31 30/8/2001	yeah, the community is different from the old days, but hopefully along with cheating, that can be fixed. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Michael 23:40 30/8/2001	I'm amazed at how CS as grown from being a lonely mod, to the most played game online. Still the factor that make this game SUCK, outweights by a large margin, the factors that make it great. It's kinda like comparing PAC-MAN to Quake 3 Arena... and there are more poeple playing PAC-MAN! Its ming boggling. I think CS add its turn. Let OTHER games take the first place. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mike 00:41 31/8/2001	CS will last longer than most people think, and CS2 won't necessarily steal away that many people in the long run. The reason for all this is that the games old engine is exactly the reason why it is successful. If it had been built on a better engine it would have failed. Why you ask? Simple, the engines limits forced maps to be extremely small. Small maps = faster more exciting action. With larger maps the games pacing would have been slower and the game wouldn't be as popular. If CS2 is made with maps that average 50% larger than the largets CS maps then the game will be a flop unless they also figure out a way to keep the intensity high. I don't see how they could though. So hopefully they take full advantage of the engines ability to make the game look better without trying to make the maps any larger. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	CenturioN 00:48 31/8/2001	I think alot of you have raised some very interesting and very good points. Most of them are true. I started playing CS back in beata 3. And the game was played for fun, it was played as a team. I notice now that I am playing for a score, that's why I hardly ever play CS anymore. I have surcome to the inevitable... just not interested anymore. I started to accuse people of cheating and ranting at people. I am the person that p*es off the veterans. CS is just not what it was (I feel like my grand parents). The community has grown because the people who joined the community in version 1 don't know what the games was like, what it was originaly. All they ever see is thier score, they don't know playing as a team. So I say sorry and all that to Gooseman, who make one fking good game, but that ol' gal she ain't what she used to be (I feel a song coming on...) CenturioN [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Bassman 00:56 31/8/2001	Well personally i never like cs that much. It was fun in all but i enjoy Action much more. Just my thoughts. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Spazm 00:58 31/8/2001	I don't know how you can possibly say we are "losing out". If CS2 turns out to be so truly addicting and fun, and many people play it, how is that losing out? That is exactly what we want in a game. CS has set a very high bar to hurdle, but when it finally is we know it will be a hell of a game. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	VespR 01:02 31/8/2001	Nice article m8. I hope CS stays on top for a while coz it'll give us guys at ukterrorist something more to write about until it's death :) Or are we going to be moving onto CS2? Heh only time well tell. http://www.ukterrorist2.com hehe just a thought... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	GeeZa 01:33 31/8/2001	people will be playing CS for years to come I still play Q2 from time to time and even Warcraft2 which is the best online game ever! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Manic 01:34 31/8/2001	Increased graphics and add-onds surely come at a cost; i.e. ur ping. For those of us who only have 56k modems, and even now, can jus manage a decent game of cs, will surely find it hard 2 get a decent ping in cs2? This is one of the main reasons i think cs will some time yet. Although im probably wrong; to many LPBs as it is already > [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	gagnuts419 01:35 31/8/2001	hey every1 that was a great article and the comments were great too. on to business. i have ben playing this game since 1.0 , im a n00b. this was first try at online gaming, all my friends played tribes and one introduced this to me. I was the only one playing this game out of any1 i knew, now many of my friends play and the former tribes players have left their community and basically said screw T2, i myself have tried tribes and tribes too, the thing it lacked was what makes cs so great..realism. I have ben playing console games since i was 3 yrs old i was hardcore with it then as i grew up i stopped playin mortal kombat and games such as that and started with rpg's and sports games. As people mature their gaming preferences mature. i am 16 now, i was at one time a decent athelete played every sport and all that stuff. i longer do that its not fun anymore team sports r too pressured and compeptitive. In cs i find something i can play b4 i got to bed and kill sum time with. .....ive basically ben ramblin on here but wut i wanna say is taht my opinion probably isnt htat informed but from a perspective of sum1 taht has recently ben addicted to cs entirely if cs2 is even relesed the whole community will at least own the game.regardless if we have a T2 fiasco and every1 ahtes it and curses the store they bought it from they will at least own it ..isnt that wut the people that make these games want? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	TuVoK 01:57 31/8/2001	Hmm, cs aint wot it used to be, hopefully cs2 aint gonna be wot cs is now but better graphics, cos im bored!I prefered 'gun running' over accurate colt carbines with scopes, and racin to he choke points for a decent weapon over 2 years now,,,,still cannot leave the damn game alone! ,,my eyes hurt! bah,,,humbug! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	FD\|.Nitro. 03:42 31/8/2001	(beta 1/2'er here) There's no doubt that online CS is nothing compared to what it used to be, but I think that can only be attributed to one reason: cheating. Whether you're playing on a server with cheats or not, there is always the paranoia that your oponent isn't legit. And thats what starts all the accusations and cussing. Even on PB servers you cop s* (just not as much). This might sound stupid, but it sets a trend for many newbies. They see accusing and cussing as acceptable. That being said, there are still a few leet servers around that the newbies don't really know about, and on these servers you can generally have a good, team played game. I did enjoy the times when a good shot was acknowledged by other players and it was all good. Now the best compliment you can get is "your bs". However annoying these kids are who cause all the havoc, they still don't really get in my way. Things that frustrate me in CS are things such as hitbox screw-ups and the ease of cheating. When these two things are fixed, I believe we'll have a perfect game, and the idiots will grow up. Online play aside, CS is still _THE_ game on LAN. Nothing compares to it for full on teamplay. Like Striker said, for most top players its practically a sport. You do training, work on your game individually and as a team in preparation for major tournaments. Because CS has become a 'sport' type game it has surpassed the trend that all games have their peak and demise. For me, CS is like chess, something that I spend my time trying to master. The fact that the graphics are dated doen't concern me, as I am addicted to its game play elements. Its mainly the noobs who insist on "adding a rocket launcher!" or "cs needs more guns!". How many more 9mm sub machine guns and 7.62/5.56 assault rifle variants can you have? Each of the main guns have enough to them to be continually learnt. There are ofcourse weapons such as the glock and dual berrettas that are just that crap its a joke, but even these py toys have their masters. I really do think that if the hitboxes and cheats are completely fixed in 1.3 then its going to bring back many of the quitters and even the vets on the verge of giving up. Remember when 1.3 was leaked? It was meant to come out about a week from then. The leaked version had the hitboxes fixed somewhat* but they were still dodgy as hell. After the furore of the leaked version 1.3 is taking a long time to do. And hopefully for good measure. I'll keep playing CS until... I dunno... CS2? It'll take more than cheaters and bugs to stop me playing this game. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mr.Oblivious 04:38 31/8/2001	So what you're saying is people will play newer games when they are released instead of their old ones. Good to have that in writing, and you even backed it up with those men in the know at the 'top' clans SDU and cK. Another razor sharp article brought to you by UKTerrorist. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	RodeoClown 06:34 31/8/2001	Someone mentioned that better graphics increases your ping. Just to let you know that graphics has NO effect whatsoever on ping. Your PC handles the graphics, and only the location of your CS guy/what weapon etc are sent across the network, this won't change with new graphics, it will only drop your framerate. The new engine may need to send more information if there is more actions a player can use (I hope there won't be) but if anything the netcode should be more efficeient, reducing the effect of a higher ping. (This is not a guaruntee however I just hope CS2 can be a good lan game. That's where I play exclusively. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Xalem 08:42 31/8/2001	I just used gamespy to look for any servers playing custom maps. Sadly, out of the hundreds of servers with acceptable ping, there were only a handful playing anything custom. And of the ones playing the normal maps, a very high number were playing Dust. This preoccupation with a handful of maps is ruining the game. The maps people prefer are very simple, and probably too simple when we throw in voice communication. I also play the True Combat mod for Quake 3. (Me and the 20 other regular players) It has the most complicated maps I have ever seen. Using counterstrike gameplay, with voice communications and a commitment to teamwork would make an unparalleled experience in that game. Many of us switched from quake to TFC and then to cstrike for the teamplay and the good maps. Unless we get past mastering de_dust, this game will be passed over. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mican 09:56 31/8/2001	Boredom is a humanic flaw =) Sure, it leads to new discoveries but it'll also lead to the destruction of the human race (i can see all those disgusted faces right now) =) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 10:22 31/8/2001	hehe mican. Some v good points there Nitro, I agree with a lot of what you say. Xalem, there are loads and loads of top quality custom maps, but unfortunately it's hard for them to catch on in a big way because....for one, they need coverage, and two, they need people to want it enough to download it and set it up on the servers and players to play it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ryano theb0g 12:41 31/8/2001	First off I am happy that you lot have all taken what I have written and expanded on it with your current debates. As to oblivions points, new games have come out - cs has remained on top, the article was about how long this trend would last and if it would. Thanks Deean [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	evil_dildo 13:03 31/8/2001	1. I definitely agree with everyone who's claiming that most players are much more interested in their own stats than the team's performance, but I have no idea how to encourage players to play in teams. Giving more money to the winning team or less to the loosing team is not a solution. Clan games is the only thing I come to think of, but what if I just want to jump in, play an hour or so and then quit? What clan would then want me in their team (what clan would want me in any case?). We will probably have to get adjusted to play for our own stats as well and when we find a server with team play see that as unexpected luxury. 2. I'm afraid that voice communication will kill the game. Many players always have to tell the way they died and how unlucky they were, how badly the one who killed him was camping or how well they did with only 10 hp in the end. Who cares? Everyone dies sometimes in this game. It's easy to ignore nonsense that people write in the chat, but who wants to hear all this nonsense? Furthermore since there are large packets to be sent, I'm pretty sure that voice will slow down the ping. And what about language? I will probably be reduced to only playing on English or Swedish speaking servers. Voice communication could bring up the team's performance if used in the right way, but again, players seem to be more interested in their own stats (or should I say themselves), and all you will hear is me, me, me. I hope that voice communication can be disabled by server admins and in that case I will only play on those servers. 3. This brings me to the third opinion I want to share with you. I can see a danger with CS2. Suddenly you will have four games to play (CS1 and CS2, with or without voice). As it is now I find it difficult to find a good server to play on. Either you find 2-3 MrFantasticKiller with 47-7 in stats who's killing you whatever you try (and again you wonder am I the only one who isn't cheating) or you end up on a server where some idiot is tk-ing half the team, or you end up on a server where people spend more time chatting about why Turks (or whatever race they're after at that time) are such lousy people rather than playing. Sometimes it takes 30-40 minutes of searching for a decent server where I can play a nice game (unfortunately fav-servers are often visited by the mentioned geeks or are full). Now there will be four different kinds of servers (I believe that CS1 will live a life beside CS2), will I spend 2 hours looking for a good server? The obvious answer is of course no and I will play games with tk-ing or (suspected) cheating geeks, which definitely will reduce my addiction to CounterStrike. To link up with Deean's topic; I think the lifetime of CS depends strongly on how bad or good CS 1.3 and CS2 will be and what ethics will be the common ones for voice communication. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 14:16 31/8/2001	you still do find the occasional game where the guys are good and can play as a team, but its not that common, true. About the voice communication, it's just an extra option, if you don't want to hear anyone, you can mute them all so you'll hear nothing. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Cable 15:06 31/8/2001	CS are fun, but lack of move, i would like to see more moves on cs or cs2, like add rolls, or other dodge movement to advoid bullets. ^_^ i,,i thats all for today.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	OR_Ironchef 19:18 31/8/2001	people WILL be bored of CS? i'm bored already, and i actually have an attention span of more than 7 seconds! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Slammer 19:22 31/8/2001	I'm just hopin' for a m60, m16 and Uzi, that's all, i think CS2 should have like double amount of weapons and same gameplay, that'd rock [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	GoOfus MaXimus 23:03 31/8/2001	I think CS will be with us for a while, just because those of us with less-than-godlike machines will be able to play it. It's graphics are good enough, and the gameplay is excellent! Better eye-candy requires more machine to run, and, after the initial "ooh"s and"ahh"s, it's the gameplay that carries a game. I think this "better graphics" thing everyone's hyping, doesn't really count for nearly as much as developers think. UT and Q3 run dismally on my top of the line K6-2 system, and money isn't there for a new one, so I at least, will be playing CS (and Doom Legacy!) for a long LONG time. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	\|JFL\|SubZer0 05:42 1/9/2001	The whole idea of programming voice communication in CSv1.3 is a waste of time I figure. What team is going to use it anyways with the other voice chats like Battlecomm and Roger Wilco? You cant speak to your team when you are dead in the game chat, but you can on RW and BC (not that you should since its cheap as hell). Also, if the other team can hear your players commands, then there goes the whole point of secrecy. Teams will use RW and BC instead of the in-game voice communication because its more practical in my opinion. I just started playing CS around 2 months ago when I got my new PC. I was playing UT, R6, and Q2 before I decided to try CS. I played for like a week and couldnt do a damn thing. So I quit and tried DoD when it came out. Since then I have re-started CS again with renewed intrest and have actually become fairly skilled at it. My only complain is that it is still lacking in the reality department. Mainly the weapons and grenades are inaccurate. A real AK-47 will kill you with one shot no matter how much body armor you are wearing. Remember that shootout in Hollywood a few years ago. Plus the frag grenades would kill you outright it one blew up under you. Maybe CS2 will attempt to make it more true to life instead of "sorta". ~ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	zip^ 14:43 1/9/2001	Well, all i have to say is that i agree with one of those in the interview that, Cs also to me, has become like a sport. Cs will never die (i hope) as long as u people out there continues to work with it especially anti-cheat proggrammes, for cs to survive we have to get rid of ALL cheaters, my idea support PUNKBUSTER, they really did a great job and if u know any cs-hack/cheat-programmers, then slap them from me cuz it all in all, them who is killin' cs.! I also have to say that cs have become the greatest game ever for me. Because to win in cs u have to use tactical playing and great team-play, thats what makes cs different of other games. Here in denmark (which is where im coming from) some people started up a new project called Banned.dk their homepage can be found at www.banned.dk and they can be visited at #banned.dk on irc quakenet. banned.dk is a prject started for eliminating certain cheaters using the punkbuster anti cheat. the way they do it is that people from clans come to them and say like "hi we have a server that we would like u to protect from cheaters". what banned.dk does is that they, install punkbuster on the server and maintains the server and takes care of all admin-jobs, and if punkbuster catch a cheater on the server banned.dk writes, a news on their page about the cheater, then he and his wonid will be added to a list, where all the "lame" cheaters are on. Plz mail me with your opinion about starting a international punkbuster project! zip/ out! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	wasup? 22:23 1/9/2001	When cs first came out I though "man this is the best game" , you know. As the mounths passed they came out with new versions and newer guns,map and so forth. Now I play cs as much as half life the regular offline game. And I dont know about you but I dont play regular half life very offten. So my point is, It would be nice if they would make newer version in stead of making a "CS2". You know whats going to happen every ones going to buy it($40.00) and there going to play and say "Man CS is alot better than this even if it is what 2-3 years old". So cs staff or whatever you wont to call them DONT MAKE A CS2. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[S][S]*Gossard 05:51 2/9/2001	I really, admire this game... In fact, it give me an alternative sport, especially for my mind. However, I think new bone-crushing moves, fast pacing action is needed. I prefer that unfavorable cheats should be eliminated. Eh! Eh! end, i mean it [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[S][S]*Gossard 05:51 2/9/2001	I really, admire this game... In fact, it give me an alternative sport, especially for my mind. However, I think new bone-crushing moves, fast pacing action is needed. I prefer that unfavorable cheats should be eliminated. Eh! Eh! end, i mean it [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Layer 16:55 2/9/2001	Not so unhappy guys! There coming a new game to winter there like Counterstrike but bether (i think) The name on this game is ''Global Operations'' Visit www.boomtown.net Layer! BYE [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ironfist0r 18:35 3/9/2001	Forgive me if i say sommit sombody has already said but ive not read it Firstly id just like to say alot of ppl already are getting fed up of cs, the so called 'old skool' players who remeber the days of 5.2 etc just think cs isnt the same... and have got bored etc, the other thing u have to look at is that these players have pld for around 1-2 years now, with all the new ppl coming into cs this could also mean they stay around for 1-2 years, and its a lon never ending chain... if thats the case CS will never end, such recent FPS as OFP and Tribes 2 have failed to oust CS as the #1 fps game, what makes you think Doom3 will be the same, especially as itll be unplayable on most peoples computers! ppl like myself can barely play CS in d3d wiv 40fps! On another note games that have much faster game play etc have less human interaction, i personally believe another reason cs is so good is the fact you can speak to your counter-parts while your dead.. or while your camping etc, in games such as doom that wont be as possible. As for CS2, look at the historys to sequals/remakes, the remakes/sequals are allways worse!, look at films for example, so the future really is untold, wot is for sure is CS still definately has atleast 1-2 years left, and imho id say more, dont write it off so early! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ryano theb0g 18:39 3/9/2001	Not all sequels are bad though, starwars empire strikes back was good, and although Jurrasic Park 2 sucked number three was good. CS 2 could obviously swing either way. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ironfist0r 18:41 3/9/2001	fs, i forgot sommit , What if CS2 is a complete failiure? What if every1 continues to play CS? Will Cliffe and goose etc stop makeing updates for CS?? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers 13:38 5/9/2001	Ryan...m8...u may not have noticed...but those are films... And star wars was part of a trilogy and jp2 sucked... Godfather part 2 0wned Aliens 0wned.... soo....HA! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dashy 23:32 5/9/2001	Oh Ryan! My Opinion of you has dropped badly, how can you say Jurassic Park 3 was good? 1 1/4 hrs of plotless scripting. The Kid was on that Island for 8 weeks and he'd become Rambo? uhuh? Aliens, great film, the Marines made that the best of the 4. As for the article, CS is a great game, but its hindered the whole CS community a bit, as its draw attention away from some very good mods. Some of my personal favourites are Sven Co-op, FLF, Firearms, and Global Warefare. Also, there are people out there who are making far more interesting mods, and at the same time, pushing the HL engine as far as its tiny little legs will carry it. An example is HL Rally. The screenshots for that look very good, and its promises to be an interesting game, but will never see the same amount limelight as CS has. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LR\|MegafuraX 02:42 7/9/2001	Hum .. many ppl say "oah great article ... vvv nice" ... i'l say crap article. U seems like not beeing a good or real cs player, u say "if in cs2.0 there nothhink new, nobody will play" ... i think is they just put CS like it'st today on HL2 or Q3 engine, it wud have vvv big success ... even if there no new weps, no new scenaries. And take a overal look ... we have hostages rescue, bomb planting, escape and assassination ... wot do u want they add ... earth saving, with spacecraft and lazer rifles ?! same for weps ... since b1.1 weapons are in my view perfectly balanced and there enough, i mean ... tey cud include 500 weps, silenced, uncilenced, with red cannon ... but ffs tis a game if u've to loose 2Hours to prepare ur equipement like in Rogue Spear it won't be CS. I think that the bigger work they have to give is about grafic engine and maps gameplay. Maybe in the future will we play like in tribes2 14 vs 14 games in giantesc maps All other cud be kept coz of it's ok ... and i pray for CS1.3 not to be too different from 1.1 ... fix hitbox bugs, add maps and that's all ... all other will be s***e !! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Eightball 05:18 7/9/2001	OK, bit late for my 2 pence but I think that CS has been a victim of its own success. The game will become less popular because of the way it's played. When the mod first raised its beautiful head you had a small group of dedicated fans who latched onto its immediately satisfying gameplay. People eagerly downloaded the latest versions (waiting forever on 56K whilst paying for every minute online!). The reason? TEAMPLAY! Teamplay was the most satisfying way to play CS, a good execution of a team-based assault was the most gratifying experience the game could offer. Nowdays servers seem populated by quick-fix, ego-seeking, get as much kills as possible glory kids who will stop at nothing (even cheating) just to have their name at the top of the fraglist. Teamplay? All these idiots are missing the POINT! You want to be at the top of a fraglist? Play the original HL! Still a great game! And leave our beloved teamplay masterpiece alone!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Reizig 00:54 12/9/2001	I am HOPING that Counter-Strike 2 stays true to the original. I love CS. I dont want it to change. Any major change they can make that as you say will "revolutionize" gamming will have to be a big change. And i cant imagine changing anything huge in CS without somehow ruining it. People play it because they like it the way it is. All I need to keep playing is new maps, and new weapons every so often. I dont want more. If I want something different, I'll play a different game - its that simple. Keep CS the way it is, and everyones happy (bored of it? go play another mod - problem solved). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	VashtheStampede 08:02 15/9/2001	How about we put it this way.(I wish ) 1) No more sv_cheats command on console and no cheats can be installed. 2) New maps and double missioned maps.(there are some now) 3) Wish there was a possibility to buy two weapons of a kind but limited, example, two TMPs, 2 mp5 at a time (you get my point ), ya know, dual elite style weapons, but you cant use two aks, no two m4a1 and etc. 4) Make w weight system more realistic, example, you can buy lotsa grenades or stuff, but definitely you REALLY SLOW DOWN cuz of the weight. 5) New engine (of course) 6) Improved graphics of weapon/player models. 7) Voice Comm ( cs2 must come with a voice comm software for some people that doesnt know that) Reaction styles, like some packs example, you react to a hit or something. like argh (this must be given to all users ) 9) A new search style on servers, example, you can search not only IPs but server names and stuff. 10) A built in ping checker (without using other softwares) wherein you can check your pings if high or low. 11) Bug fixes ( as in ALL bugz) 12) I wish that Terrorists can now carry two C4s if ever the other one failed for more action pack. 13) Not exactly a NEWER list of weapons/players but an additional list like weapons dont only have up from 1:1(pistol) to 5:1(machine gun, Para), but reach up to 6 or 7. 14) I also wish that (impossible but most want it to happen), that others may see your character skin,as a symbol to recognize who you are. List goes like CT 2-1 is SEAL, 2-2 is GSG-9, etc.,then a new number shows, 2-5 (your special skin), if you ask thats a problem to know whos the enemy, then know whos your ally! 15) Kick people who camp more than a minute or two. 16) Etc. i cant tell all my just WISHING ideas, you all know my point, that CS2 MUST have built-in programs and new refreshing options. Lastly, some of my idea may suck to others cuz we have our own opinions, this isnt about what version you first started nor stupid issues, its about a new and refreshing the game's features. -=Trigun=-VashtheStampede P.S. I saw [C3D]Kamio camping in a ULTIMATELY impossible area in cs_militia and cs_assault, man, stop cheatin, you have no pure skillz in cheatin! ;D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	VashtheStampede 08:12 15/9/2001	oh yeah, i forgot, e-mail me if ya'll wanna argue or give some GOOD comments. hoping a challenge ya'll, but for now, FRAG some more!!!!!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[NTC]Silinder =WDW= 11:14 20/9/2001	CS will be around for at least another 2 or 3 years. Why? Because of the graphics engine. Due to BT screwing up my net connection (again), I installed and tried some CS style games for UT and Q3. None of them had the gameplay of CS. None of them had that "feel" that makes CS great. And none of them, with all their fancy graphics engines, had the look of CS. All the textures looked like plastic. The weapons in general looked crap. I see many people complaining about the character models. Well go and try some of these mods, and you'll realise just how lucky we are. The problem with CS is not the code (apart from the hitboxes), it's the people playing it. But what do you expect when even high level clan players are caught using cheats. What kind of message does that send to others. As for the last comment about kicking campers...."camping" can be a valid tactic, deal with it. Perhaps you want ban people who rush, because thats "not realistic"?? If someone has an AWP and is guarding a route, go a different way, get behind him, and tear him a new a$$hole. If a CT is guarding a dropped bomb, go kill him if you want it. Thats called tactics that is, part of which is getting you frustrated so you make a mistake. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gooseman 01:57 13/10/2001	Hey guys, I just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents. First off, a little background info. I started working on CS 3 years ago.. Ever since the initial release, I found myself playing for hours on end on a daily basis. When CS 1.0 came out, I asked myself what I wanted to do. Should I start work on CS2 or should I try to come up with something fresh and innovative. At the time, I was actually leaning towards doing a western mod for HL2. Think of Outlaws meets CS. After much deliberation I decided I wanted to do a CS2. I felt there was still more areas to explore in terms of gameplay and I definately wanted to see how CS would look on a new engine. I envision CS2 to be a superset CS1. I'll still have the same scenarios and then some. Graphically, I'm really happy with the new CS2 models and the power of the new HL2 engine. I hope y'all feel the same way when you see it. I can't give any release dates on when I expect CS2 to be ready but I reckon it'll be a sooner than many of you think.. Looking back, I'm amazed at what CS has become. It really boggles my mind. I feel a lot of it has to do with proper marketting. I'd just like to thank you (the players) for the support. You've put up with a lot of s*** (cheats, lame newbies, etc..) and to be honest, I don't know if I would have shown the same patience as some of you have. I'm excited about CS2.. Do I think it will revolutionize the online gaming community? no.. Am I looking forward to making/playing CS2? Hell Yes.. (but that could be due to the fact that I havent touched CS in almost a year now). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	=TMT=CoolKiller (Lea 16:31 13/10/2001	I don't think that CS is all in the life, but i play it many times.Because it is the best Game ever (FrOm DeNmArK) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	=TMT=CoolKiller (Lea 16:37 13/10/2001	We need players if there are some Danish/American gueyes out there plz! check mora.adsl.dk/tmt/ Whe have allready 5 players but the site is really hard under progras. Or contact os at tmtklanen@hotmail.com. (FrOm DeNmArK) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ADMIN 16:40 13/10/2001	CS isn't all in the life (was number 1) Number 2 WE DONT WANT SPAMMING!!! Number 3 This Forum will be cleared after 5 weeks ................................................. Clearing............. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iX\|JackaL 05:25 22/10/2001	reading this post few days ago... i decided to come back today. Kind of makes u think... is it the lame newbs that f**ed up this game coz they didn't have time and patcince to get good so they wanted to do it the "FAST" way... and therefore making CS a cheat-land... angry* and gooseman... i'm trusting you will make CS2 even better then CS has done... but make sure its harder to cheat FFS [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SPAWN @ [GKN] 13:39 24/10/2001	I dont know what everyone is complaining about?! ppl screaming give other games a chance. i do give other games a chance but unless they can meet the high standards of CS i will not return to them. I think that CS has set a president that is a challenge to all other games designers. If a game that is brought out can drag us away from CS then it must be pretty damn good!. but until then its CS all the way. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	WTE_Anvil 08:19 25/10/2001	A well thought out and presented article. CS like all games will ride it's course out. If CS2 is as good as CS in playability, but is less hackable and has better graphics i'd say a great many players will flock to it. For Valve (who i hear are trying to escape the grasp of sierra) CS and CS2 are very significant business investments, clearly CS is Valve's flagship and they are more aware than anyone of the dangers of getting the formula wrong. I feel because of these reasons Valve isnt going to be to concerned about what other game designers and communities think. For them Gaming is a bussiness and thats the reality of life for them. Alternatives to CS will appear. Games like Ghost Recon, DFLW, Red Faction and Tribes II are going to take a toll on the CS community. The end result could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your perspective. as a gamer who enjoys CS as well as other games, i prefer to enjoy the diversity, and ride each wave out for as long as it lasts. Cheers from downunder. Anvil www.wtecommand.com [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	alex pitchers 18:44 25/10/2001	ffs u stupid nerds.Cs has about a month left b4 other games take over it. U retards who make huge posts...no1 reads them! coz they dont giv a flying fuk wot sum nobody cares. go hav a wk over ur animal porn, fu*in nerds [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DaFunk 17:33 29/10/2001	They have to be reading them to be able to reply.... Stoopid [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MadFox 23:48 31/10/2001	I partially agree with whoever wrote the reply saying that i "if you don't like it, play something else". This whole debate thing has come up because I think we know we won't be playing CS forever, but we don't want to let go. Everyone knows it will be hard to recreate that special formula CS has that makes the game so addictive. I myself find it hard to believe that a CS2 with a new engine will have the same feel as good 'ol CS. It may have improved the feeling (though I doubt it) and recreated gameplay that feels a bit like CS, but it won't be CS. And to those who wants CS to die to leave room for other games, p*** off I myself often play other games, try them online too.. but they just don't have that feel, that gameplay, the perfect mixture that you get with CS. When there are games better than CS, in every type of the way, then you can start complaining (but then it will most likely have a big enough community for you to stop complaining) :-p [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	11:47 1/11/2001	CS is a great game and has made history, but better things will come and in the future (dawn of cs-2) peaple will be looking for the nxt step forward, hopefully this is what cs-2 will be. You can't stop the gaming industry from developing better games and technology this should be a good thing. CS-2 should add more to the game we all love not take it away and turn it into something else! Tom Humphris. - lifes to short not to move on! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Harry Grech 05:22 4/11/2001	I love counte strike alot and i will play till the end of my day's.I think that i will most defintly still play in a year and A half's time.....I also love bacon. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iLLu 09:59 5/11/2001	Deaan from tstp? btw nice article [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	.Xi 13:02 6/11/2001	meow gogo Deean [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Agent Orange 16:10 15/11/2001	I think cs is there to be beat but I doubt if cs 2 will be able to actually improve on it significantly. What makes cs so popular is it has the best netcode of any online game around which allows for smooth fast play, when the likes of a game like OFP can match that then cs`s days may be numbered [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pac 19:06 16/11/2001	Counter Strike will never die due to its excellent weapons, maps and game play. CS is a classic and classics never die. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	- 03:52 16/12/2001	If you look at quake1 & quake2 you'll see that there are still a large community for these game's, The trouble with quake is that there is/was a large gap between quake1&2 and 3 (strafejumping etc.). That is what ruined Most of the quake community (now its mostly competetive), people didn't relate too it 'cause it was all diffrent. But in counterstrike you have a working concept therefore a new 3d engine (if made with not too many differences from HL3DE) would not make it die away like quake did. An example of this we can see with a mod similar to CS for quake2 AQ2 (some may have heard of it). AQ2 was second largest in terms of mod's when quake2 was at its heights, only beat by CTF. The creators never made a followup for the quake series(quake 3). So AQ2 died out. Many of the most hardcore players are left. But theres not so many new players comming. So if CS2 fails that is what'll happend; slowly dying. And yes i have seen aq2 fall from beeing the best realism mod to becomming something oldish and forgotten. I doubt very much that CS will be played at a competetive level like now in 1-2 years unless CS2 succeds. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	BigDave 18:17 2/1/2002	CS is IT!!! CS is far and away the greatest game I have ever played (and I owned a ZX81 first time round to get it in perspective). The truth is that you never get bored of this game. It is a drug, and a class A one at that. But at the heat of it is gameplay - it's the reward of getting that kill. I won't forget my first game of CS when I noticed other games apart from TFC in the WON list. I died a lot but got a kill and then there was no turning back. TFC/Quake/Unreal are all kinda shallow in comparrison. I have never got bored, and while I type this comment sitting at work all I can think about is getting home to kill and mame once more. CS is GOD!!!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pete 19:09 2/1/2002	CS is better than ever, since going retail there is tons more newbie fodder about. Come on admit it, it is the kill that makes it for us public players. CS Today = Total Carnage. I luv it. I hope it never dies. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	TFC 02:25 3/4/2002	ummm what is CS??? sounds gay [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Danny Walker 05:28 11/4/2002	Great article Deean. Firstly to all those people complaing about not having broadband connections and high spec PCs, you need to accept that you need to upgrade/start saving. I only have a 56k and K6-2 450 Voodoo3 myself and whilst it plays ok, I know the rounds would be a LOT more fair with a better PC. By the time CS2 is released I would think that a 1ghz processor coupled with a geeforce3 class graphics card would be considerd entry level. CS2 will see a new wave of people who DO have the broadband and high spec PCs coupled with the all new-gameplay elements that valve is guaranteed to offer. Improved and more widespread use of the voice technology, hopefully an end to all this rediculous cheating nonsense and a new engine to go with it. Improved menus, team commands, weapons, yes weapons, I mean thats what the game's about isn't it really. There's no details on whether there will be bots with CS2 as of yet but if CS:CZ is anything to go by we WILL want them the bots for offline games. Testers haven't been able to tell the bots from human players! New server tracking software is due to be released soon which makes it a lot easier to find a game YOU want. Doubters unite and agree CS2 WILL blow our titties off, IF the gameplay remains largely the same. Those of you who do own the high-spec PCs can also look out for games like raven shield which uses the Unreal Warfare engine, thats if you can be pulled away from CS for a night. O and then there's TFC2 and HL2. Valve are the Supremo. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	#uk.bham\|Lewis 22:58 14/1/2003	cs will always be at the top unless cs:cz takes its place otherwise it will just last forever with new weapons, skins and maps being introduced every other version ! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	toadlife 06:08 15/1/2003	My current opinion of Couterstrike is that it sucks. Don't get me wrong....I used to love CS, but stopped playing it the day 1.0 came out and the running/fliching animations were ****ed up. After that I tried 1.x but it just didn't interest me any more. CS was nice as a community project, but as soon as valve got involved it went down hill fast. Around three years ago, I moved onto MUCH better games since couterstrike. First, Hidden and Dangerous, and now, the Mecca of all games, Operation Flashpoint. These games were/are not for the average counter striker, as they are more cerebral and less reaction time type games. Frag fests were nice back then, but I've moved on. I've noticed a few people who have praised couterstrike for it's "realism". Counterstrike is not even remotely close to being realistic. If you want realism, play Operation Flashpoint. http://toadlife.net/ofp [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 09:47 20/9/2004	Oh how the quality of comments has suffered as the community has crumbled into a juvenile, illiterate bunch of tosspots! Be cute, eat fruit. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fezemoN 09:58 20/9/2004	ill eat u if u keep on about fruit! q:D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SFAL^Sarge Viva la! 10:11 20/9/2004	if you ask me, it all happened around the time CS started being released on CD in gaming magazines, giving all the little 12-16 year olds a chance to play the game without having to download it on their 33k modems. Then it all just went into disrepute because of the average age of the people playing the game :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	darkst0rm the demonic radicals 10:12 20/9/2004	They've come out of nowhere, from around v 1.5 to now. Full of the little s***s. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rude^ Jay Bee Eye! 10:16 20/9/2004	cs is s*** anyway, the way forward is operation flashpoint. nuff said. nuff said! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sugna 11:43 20/9/2004	SFAL^Sarge Viva la! 10:11 20/9/2004 if you ask me, it all happened around the time CS started being released on CD in gaming magazines, giving all the little 12-16 year olds a chance to play the game without having to download it on their 33k modems. Then it all just went into disrepute because of the average age of the people playing the game :) aye clint thats around the time cs started going down hill :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SpartaN 00:52 29/4/2005	So it's 4 years later......... Counter-Strike has 57,037 players on 39,938 servers with over 3.46 billion minutes played per month Counter-Strike: Source has 27,026 players on 12,030 servers playing 1.127 billion minutes per month and Counter-Strike Condition Zero has 9,780 players on 6,651 servers playing 588.988 million minutes per month. I think that answers it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 19:55 30/8/2001	Great article m8, and a topic that's sure to hot up the closer we get to CS2's release (although it's still ages away). Me personally, I'll be happy to trade in my old cs for a newer spankier version with new features (new scenarios etc), but by the time it comes out, who knows what I'll want.... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Octovus 20:51 30/8/2001	You want to know what CS is? It's the game that made multiplayer mainstream. Why? Because a person who had maybe played a singleplayer computer game, probably played a console game, but never tried a multiplayer mode saw it at a friend's house. Went "Cool! Can I try? How do I kill the computers?" at which point they find out that they are playing against people. And that's the only way they can play. I've been around in the online community in general for a while now, since before CS was released, though I didn't try CS until 6.5 (at that it was like 3 days before 6.7 was released). CS is very fun; but it's online only. For that reason things like CS: Condition Zero will not be the same. As much as people say "But then people without net can play it!", the community for cs now (very large) is obviously made up of people with net. CS will always be an on-line game. Artificial intelligence may be good to brush your skills up against, or for when you just want to kick ass and get out some anger without the possibility of losing (assuming you can turn difficulty down). I just hope the developers remember what the original Counter-Strike's goal was in building the next generation. -Octovus [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Demize99 21:09 30/8/2001	People say that if CS2 is the same as CS1 gameplay wise ppl will get bored. I don't buy that. People have been playing CS because they like it now, and will play CS2 which already promises better graphics, a new possibly better engine, new maps undoubtable, new weaponry, and with those will come different ways to play the game. My take on this whole thing is that if CS2 is more of the same, WHOOOT! I'm there. Its damn addicting now, I'm not going to get sick of my online crack. :-) They key to long life with Half-Life, CS and the mods associated is that they evolved, changed, stayed current in the ways they possibly could. CS patches were and are things we played for, praying they'd come soon so we could scope out the new maps and changes. At points the new netcode for example revamped the whole community. If CS2 is able to have official releases that add maps, weapons, game play modes, just generally more content, I think it too will have longevity. People will play it for a long time as long as it changes and isn't the same ole thing day in and out. -Demize99 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	milkPate 21:20 30/8/2001	cs is s*** anyway, the way forward is operation flashpoint. nuff said. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mystical Sock 21:24 30/8/2001	Ah CS, the game that simply refuses to die. I played CS for quite along time and had a lot of fun. I started playing CS when it was at beta 3.0, and continued to play until sometime after Version 1.0 was released. CS did quite a lot of things right and deserved the success that it got. I found that I reached my peak enjoyment with the game in beta's 5-7, after that my playing began to taper off until we reach where I am today. I haven't touched CS from months and I seriously doubt that I will ever go back. The reason for this is as follows (sorry that I'm being so long winded), CS hasn't changed in all the time that I played it. New guns may be added or the player models changed but the core was still set in stone never to be tampered with. I realize that MANY people would object vehemently to any core changes, and I would agree with them wholeheartedly. The core makes CS what it is, and changing that is making a whole new game. The problem here is that so many people have been playing for so long that eventually they will also tired of the formulaic gameplay. When I look at the community today I see lots of new faces and barely any old people from when CS was in its infancy. That is because they to have tired of it. The reason no one has noticed it that the original crowd of people who supported CS was relatively small when compared to the community CS has today, who would notice a drop missing from an ocean? Sooner or later the people who are currently infatuated with CS will also tire of it and leave, except this time since there are so man more people the exodus will be massive and CS will suddenly be supported by a very small group of hard-core players. I personally cannot wait for this to happen because once CS is dead other newer games will be given their chance to shine in their own right. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 22:18 30/8/2001	Good points there guys. And I agree with the guy that said CS is more exciting when patches are being released more often....otherwise it gets slightly stale. Even if the update is minimal and only has cosmetic changes like weapons, maps etc...it's still good and refreshing. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[l33t]TheJudge[SwA] 22:40 30/8/2001	I`ve been playing cs for a while now, since beta 7 anyway, and alot has changed i`m getting at the point now where team play is no longer and issue because of all the new players springing up every day. it is getting boring, i just hope that cs2 has some major changes that will make the game interesting again. i`ve even gone back to playing unreal tournament because of huge variation in game types. what cs really needs is some different map types to really heat things up. how about some assault map where the terrorists have to infiltrate a base guarded by the counter-terrorists, that would make things interesting for a while but there is only so much life left in the once tried and trusted cs formula. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ann0yanc3 22:43 30/8/2001	If CS2 will be CS1 with better graphics, more and better features, and a lot more configuration options for the client and server, then I'll be first in line to buy myself a copy. I feel that CS1 lacks a good amount of features in order for it to be a complete game. The gameplay is there, the features are not. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Drdeath 22:45 30/8/2001	I believe CS is dying cause the community is changing. I've been playing since beta 1 and back then everyone played for a good time. Now a days i go on a server and everyone's screaming at each other and accusing other players of cheating. I've been going on many servers latey and have noticed that there is hardly any "veterens". Most of the players have the retail version now. I think CS was really good before coming out to stores. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 23:31 30/8/2001	yeah, the community is different from the old days, but hopefully along with cheating, that can be fixed. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Michael 23:40 30/8/2001	I'm amazed at how CS as grown from being a lonely mod, to the most played game online. Still the factor that make this game SUCK, outweights by a large margin, the factors that make it great. It's kinda like comparing PAC-MAN to Quake 3 Arena... and there are more poeple playing PAC-MAN! Its ming boggling. I think CS add its turn. Let OTHER games take the first place. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mike 00:41 31/8/2001	CS will last longer than most people think, and CS2 won't necessarily steal away that many people in the long run. The reason for all this is that the games old engine is exactly the reason why it is successful. If it had been built on a better engine it would have failed. Why you ask? Simple, the engines limits forced maps to be extremely small. Small maps = faster more exciting action. With larger maps the games pacing would have been slower and the game wouldn't be as popular. If CS2 is made with maps that average 50% larger than the largets CS maps then the game will be a flop unless they also figure out a way to keep the intensity high. I don't see how they could though. So hopefully they take full advantage of the engines ability to make the game look better without trying to make the maps any larger. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	CenturioN 00:48 31/8/2001	I think alot of you have raised some very interesting and very good points. Most of them are true. I started playing CS back in beata 3. And the game was played for fun, it was played as a team. I notice now that I am playing for a score, that's why I hardly ever play CS anymore. I have surcome to the inevitable... just not interested anymore. I started to accuse people of cheating and ranting at people. I am the person that p*es off the veterans. CS is just not what it was (I feel like my grand parents). The community has grown because the people who joined the community in version 1 don't know what the games was like, what it was originaly. All they ever see is thier score, they don't know playing as a team. So I say sorry and all that to Gooseman, who make one fking good game, but that ol' gal she ain't what she used to be (I feel a song coming on...) CenturioN [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Bassman 00:56 31/8/2001	Well personally i never like cs that much. It was fun in all but i enjoy Action much more. Just my thoughts. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Spazm 00:58 31/8/2001	I don't know how you can possibly say we are "losing out". If CS2 turns out to be so truly addicting and fun, and many people play it, how is that losing out? That is exactly what we want in a game. CS has set a very high bar to hurdle, but when it finally is we know it will be a hell of a game. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	VespR 01:02 31/8/2001	Nice article m8. I hope CS stays on top for a while coz it'll give us guys at ukterrorist something more to write about until it's death :) Or are we going to be moving onto CS2? Heh only time well tell. http://www.ukterrorist2.com hehe just a thought... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	GeeZa 01:33 31/8/2001	people will be playing CS for years to come I still play Q2 from time to time and even Warcraft2 which is the best online game ever! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Manic 01:34 31/8/2001	Increased graphics and add-onds surely come at a cost; i.e. ur ping. For those of us who only have 56k modems, and even now, can jus manage a decent game of cs, will surely find it hard 2 get a decent ping in cs2? This is one of the main reasons i think cs will some time yet. Although im probably wrong; to many LPBs as it is already > [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	gagnuts419 01:35 31/8/2001	hey every1 that was a great article and the comments were great too. on to business. i have ben playing this game since 1.0 , im a n00b. this was first try at online gaming, all my friends played tribes and one introduced this to me. I was the only one playing this game out of any1 i knew, now many of my friends play and the former tribes players have left their community and basically said screw T2, i myself have tried tribes and tribes too, the thing it lacked was what makes cs so great..realism. I have ben playing console games since i was 3 yrs old i was hardcore with it then as i grew up i stopped playin mortal kombat and games such as that and started with rpg's and sports games. As people mature their gaming preferences mature. i am 16 now, i was at one time a decent athelete played every sport and all that stuff. i longer do that its not fun anymore team sports r too pressured and compeptitive. In cs i find something i can play b4 i got to bed and kill sum time with. .....ive basically ben ramblin on here but wut i wanna say is taht my opinion probably isnt htat informed but from a perspective of sum1 taht has recently ben addicted to cs entirely if cs2 is even relesed the whole community will at least own the game.regardless if we have a T2 fiasco and every1 ahtes it and curses the store they bought it from they will at least own it ..isnt that wut the people that make these games want? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	TuVoK 01:57 31/8/2001	Hmm, cs aint wot it used to be, hopefully cs2 aint gonna be wot cs is now but better graphics, cos im bored!I prefered 'gun running' over accurate colt carbines with scopes, and racin to he choke points for a decent weapon over 2 years now,,,,still cannot leave the damn game alone! ,,my eyes hurt! bah,,,humbug! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	FD\|.Nitro. 03:42 31/8/2001	(beta 1/2'er here) There's no doubt that online CS is nothing compared to what it used to be, but I think that can only be attributed to one reason: cheating. Whether you're playing on a server with cheats or not, there is always the paranoia that your oponent isn't legit. And thats what starts all the accusations and cussing. Even on PB servers you cop s* (just not as much). This might sound stupid, but it sets a trend for many newbies. They see accusing and cussing as acceptable. That being said, there are still a few leet servers around that the newbies don't really know about, and on these servers you can generally have a good, team played game. I did enjoy the times when a good shot was acknowledged by other players and it was all good. Now the best compliment you can get is "your bs". However annoying these kids are who cause all the havoc, they still don't really get in my way. Things that frustrate me in CS are things such as hitbox screw-ups and the ease of cheating. When these two things are fixed, I believe we'll have a perfect game, and the idiots will grow up. Online play aside, CS is still _THE_ game on LAN. Nothing compares to it for full on teamplay. Like Striker said, for most top players its practically a sport. You do training, work on your game individually and as a team in preparation for major tournaments. Because CS has become a 'sport' type game it has surpassed the trend that all games have their peak and demise. For me, CS is like chess, something that I spend my time trying to master. The fact that the graphics are dated doen't concern me, as I am addicted to its game play elements. Its mainly the noobs who insist on "adding a rocket launcher!" or "cs needs more guns!". How many more 9mm sub machine guns and 7.62/5.56 assault rifle variants can you have? Each of the main guns have enough to them to be continually learnt. There are ofcourse weapons such as the glock and dual berrettas that are just that crap its a joke, but even these py toys have their masters. I really do think that if the hitboxes and cheats are completely fixed in 1.3 then its going to bring back many of the quitters and even the vets on the verge of giving up. Remember when 1.3 was leaked? It was meant to come out about a week from then. The leaked version had the hitboxes fixed somewhat* but they were still dodgy as hell. After the furore of the leaked version 1.3 is taking a long time to do. And hopefully for good measure. I'll keep playing CS until... I dunno... CS2? It'll take more than cheaters and bugs to stop me playing this game. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mr.Oblivious 04:38 31/8/2001	So what you're saying is people will play newer games when they are released instead of their old ones. Good to have that in writing, and you even backed it up with those men in the know at the 'top' clans SDU and cK. Another razor sharp article brought to you by UKTerrorist. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	RodeoClown 06:34 31/8/2001	Someone mentioned that better graphics increases your ping. Just to let you know that graphics has NO effect whatsoever on ping. Your PC handles the graphics, and only the location of your CS guy/what weapon etc are sent across the network, this won't change with new graphics, it will only drop your framerate. The new engine may need to send more information if there is more actions a player can use (I hope there won't be) but if anything the netcode should be more efficeient, reducing the effect of a higher ping. (This is not a guaruntee however I just hope CS2 can be a good lan game. That's where I play exclusively. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Xalem 08:42 31/8/2001	I just used gamespy to look for any servers playing custom maps. Sadly, out of the hundreds of servers with acceptable ping, there were only a handful playing anything custom. And of the ones playing the normal maps, a very high number were playing Dust. This preoccupation with a handful of maps is ruining the game. The maps people prefer are very simple, and probably too simple when we throw in voice communication. I also play the True Combat mod for Quake 3. (Me and the 20 other regular players) It has the most complicated maps I have ever seen. Using counterstrike gameplay, with voice communications and a commitment to teamwork would make an unparalleled experience in that game. Many of us switched from quake to TFC and then to cstrike for the teamplay and the good maps. Unless we get past mastering de_dust, this game will be passed over. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mican 09:56 31/8/2001	Boredom is a humanic flaw =) Sure, it leads to new discoveries but it'll also lead to the destruction of the human race (i can see all those disgusted faces right now) =) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 10:22 31/8/2001	hehe mican. Some v good points there Nitro, I agree with a lot of what you say. Xalem, there are loads and loads of top quality custom maps, but unfortunately it's hard for them to catch on in a big way because....for one, they need coverage, and two, they need people to want it enough to download it and set it up on the servers and players to play it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ryano theb0g 12:41 31/8/2001	First off I am happy that you lot have all taken what I have written and expanded on it with your current debates. As to oblivions points, new games have come out - cs has remained on top, the article was about how long this trend would last and if it would. Thanks Deean [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	evil_dildo 13:03 31/8/2001	1. I definitely agree with everyone who's claiming that most players are much more interested in their own stats than the team's performance, but I have no idea how to encourage players to play in teams. Giving more money to the winning team or less to the loosing team is not a solution. Clan games is the only thing I come to think of, but what if I just want to jump in, play an hour or so and then quit? What clan would then want me in their team (what clan would want me in any case?). We will probably have to get adjusted to play for our own stats as well and when we find a server with team play see that as unexpected luxury. 2. I'm afraid that voice communication will kill the game. Many players always have to tell the way they died and how unlucky they were, how badly the one who killed him was camping or how well they did with only 10 hp in the end. Who cares? Everyone dies sometimes in this game. It's easy to ignore nonsense that people write in the chat, but who wants to hear all this nonsense? Furthermore since there are large packets to be sent, I'm pretty sure that voice will slow down the ping. And what about language? I will probably be reduced to only playing on English or Swedish speaking servers. Voice communication could bring up the team's performance if used in the right way, but again, players seem to be more interested in their own stats (or should I say themselves), and all you will hear is me, me, me. I hope that voice communication can be disabled by server admins and in that case I will only play on those servers. 3. This brings me to the third opinion I want to share with you. I can see a danger with CS2. Suddenly you will have four games to play (CS1 and CS2, with or without voice). As it is now I find it difficult to find a good server to play on. Either you find 2-3 MrFantasticKiller with 47-7 in stats who's killing you whatever you try (and again you wonder am I the only one who isn't cheating) or you end up on a server where some idiot is tk-ing half the team, or you end up on a server where people spend more time chatting about why Turks (or whatever race they're after at that time) are such lousy people rather than playing. Sometimes it takes 30-40 minutes of searching for a decent server where I can play a nice game (unfortunately fav-servers are often visited by the mentioned geeks or are full). Now there will be four different kinds of servers (I believe that CS1 will live a life beside CS2), will I spend 2 hours looking for a good server? The obvious answer is of course no and I will play games with tk-ing or (suspected) cheating geeks, which definitely will reduce my addiction to CounterStrike. To link up with Deean's topic; I think the lifetime of CS depends strongly on how bad or good CS 1.3 and CS2 will be and what ethics will be the common ones for voice communication. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blitz Editor UKTerrorist 14:16 31/8/2001	you still do find the occasional game where the guys are good and can play as a team, but its not that common, true. About the voice communication, it's just an extra option, if you don't want to hear anyone, you can mute them all so you'll hear nothing. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Cable 15:06 31/8/2001	CS are fun, but lack of move, i would like to see more moves on cs or cs2, like add rolls, or other dodge movement to advoid bullets. ^_^ i,,i thats all for today.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	OR_Ironchef 19:18 31/8/2001	people WILL be bored of CS? i'm bored already, and i actually have an attention span of more than 7 seconds! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Slammer 19:22 31/8/2001	I'm just hopin' for a m60, m16 and Uzi, that's all, i think CS2 should have like double amount of weapons and same gameplay, that'd rock [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	GoOfus MaXimus 23:03 31/8/2001	I think CS will be with us for a while, just because those of us with less-than-godlike machines will be able to play it. It's graphics are good enough, and the gameplay is excellent! Better eye-candy requires more machine to run, and, after the initial "ooh"s and"ahh"s, it's the gameplay that carries a game. I think this "better graphics" thing everyone's hyping, doesn't really count for nearly as much as developers think. UT and Q3 run dismally on my top of the line K6-2 system, and money isn't there for a new one, so I at least, will be playing CS (and Doom Legacy!) for a long LONG time. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	\|JFL\|SubZer0 05:42 1/9/2001	The whole idea of programming voice communication in CSv1.3 is a waste of time I figure. What team is going to use it anyways with the other voice chats like Battlecomm and Roger Wilco? You cant speak to your team when you are dead in the game chat, but you can on RW and BC (not that you should since its cheap as hell). Also, if the other team can hear your players commands, then there goes the whole point of secrecy. Teams will use RW and BC instead of the in-game voice communication because its more practical in my opinion. I just started playing CS around 2 months ago when I got my new PC. I was playing UT, R6, and Q2 before I decided to try CS. I played for like a week and couldnt do a damn thing. So I quit and tried DoD when it came out. Since then I have re-started CS again with renewed intrest and have actually become fairly skilled at it. My only complain is that it is still lacking in the reality department. Mainly the weapons and grenades are inaccurate. A real AK-47 will kill you with one shot no matter how much body armor you are wearing. Remember that shootout in Hollywood a few years ago. Plus the frag grenades would kill you outright it one blew up under you. Maybe CS2 will attempt to make it more true to life instead of "sorta". ~ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	zip^ 14:43 1/9/2001	Well, all i have to say is that i agree with one of those in the interview that, Cs also to me, has become like a sport. Cs will never die (i hope) as long as u people out there continues to work with it especially anti-cheat proggrammes, for cs to survive we have to get rid of ALL cheaters, my idea support PUNKBUSTER, they really did a great job and if u know any cs-hack/cheat-programmers, then slap them from me cuz it all in all, them who is killin' cs.! I also have to say that cs have become the greatest game ever for me. Because to win in cs u have to use tactical playing and great team-play, thats what makes cs different of other games. Here in denmark (which is where im coming from) some people started up a new project called Banned.dk their homepage can be found at www.banned.dk and they can be visited at #banned.dk on irc quakenet. banned.dk is a prject started for eliminating certain cheaters using the punkbuster anti cheat. the way they do it is that people from clans come to them and say like "hi we have a server that we would like u to protect from cheaters". what banned.dk does is that they, install punkbuster on the server and maintains the server and takes care of all admin-jobs, and if punkbuster catch a cheater on the server banned.dk writes, a news on their page about the cheater, then he and his wonid will be added to a list, where all the "lame" cheaters are on. Plz mail me with your opinion about starting a international punkbuster project! zip/ out! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	wasup? 22:23 1/9/2001	When cs first came out I though "man this is the best game" , you know. As the mounths passed they came out with new versions and newer guns,map and so forth. Now I play cs as much as half life the regular offline game. And I dont know about you but I dont play regular half life very offten. So my point is, It would be nice if they would make newer version in stead of making a "CS2". You know whats going to happen every ones going to buy it($40.00) and there going to play and say "Man CS is alot better than this even if it is what 2-3 years old". So cs staff or whatever you wont to call them DONT MAKE A CS2. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[S][S]*Gossard 05:51 2/9/2001	I really, admire this game... In fact, it give me an alternative sport, especially for my mind. However, I think new bone-crushing moves, fast pacing action is needed. I prefer that unfavorable cheats should be eliminated. Eh! Eh! end, i mean it [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[S][S]*Gossard 05:51 2/9/2001	I really, admire this game... In fact, it give me an alternative sport, especially for my mind. However, I think new bone-crushing moves, fast pacing action is needed. I prefer that unfavorable cheats should be eliminated. Eh! Eh! end, i mean it [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Layer 16:55 2/9/2001	Not so unhappy guys! There coming a new game to winter there like Counterstrike but bether (i think) The name on this game is ''Global Operations'' Visit www.boomtown.net Layer! BYE [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ironfist0r 18:35 3/9/2001	Forgive me if i say sommit sombody has already said but ive not read it Firstly id just like to say alot of ppl already are getting fed up of cs, the so called 'old skool' players who remeber the days of 5.2 etc just think cs isnt the same... and have got bored etc, the other thing u have to look at is that these players have pld for around 1-2 years now, with all the new ppl coming into cs this could also mean they stay around for 1-2 years, and its a lon never ending chain... if thats the case CS will never end, such recent FPS as OFP and Tribes 2 have failed to oust CS as the #1 fps game, what makes you think Doom3 will be the same, especially as itll be unplayable on most peoples computers! ppl like myself can barely play CS in d3d wiv 40fps! On another note games that have much faster game play etc have less human interaction, i personally believe another reason cs is so good is the fact you can speak to your counter-parts while your dead.. or while your camping etc, in games such as doom that wont be as possible. As for CS2, look at the historys to sequals/remakes, the remakes/sequals are allways worse!, look at films for example, so the future really is untold, wot is for sure is CS still definately has atleast 1-2 years left, and imho id say more, dont write it off so early! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ryano theb0g 18:39 3/9/2001	Not all sequels are bad though, starwars empire strikes back was good, and although Jurrasic Park 2 sucked number three was good. CS 2 could obviously swing either way. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ironfist0r 18:41 3/9/2001	fs, i forgot sommit , What if CS2 is a complete failiure? What if every1 continues to play CS? Will Cliffe and goose etc stop makeing updates for CS?? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers 13:38 5/9/2001	Ryan...m8...u may not have noticed...but those are films... And star wars was part of a trilogy and jp2 sucked... Godfather part 2 0wned Aliens 0wned.... soo....HA! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dashy 23:32 5/9/2001	Oh Ryan! My Opinion of you has dropped badly, how can you say Jurassic Park 3 was good? 1 1/4 hrs of plotless scripting. The Kid was on that Island for 8 weeks and he'd become Rambo? uhuh? Aliens, great film, the Marines made that the best of the 4. As for the article, CS is a great game, but its hindered the whole CS community a bit, as its draw attention away from some very good mods. Some of my personal favourites are Sven Co-op, FLF, Firearms, and Global Warefare. Also, there are people out there who are making far more interesting mods, and at the same time, pushing the HL engine as far as its tiny little legs will carry it. An example is HL Rally. The screenshots for that look very good, and its promises to be an interesting game, but will never see the same amount limelight as CS has. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LR\|MegafuraX 02:42 7/9/2001	Hum .. many ppl say "oah great article ... vvv nice" ... i'l say crap article. U seems like not beeing a good or real cs player, u say "if in cs2.0 there nothhink new, nobody will play" ... i think is they just put CS like it'st today on HL2 or Q3 engine, it wud have vvv big success ... even if there no new weps, no new scenaries. And take a overal look ... we have hostages rescue, bomb planting, escape and assassination ... wot do u want they add ... earth saving, with spacecraft and lazer rifles ?! same for weps ... since b1.1 weapons are in my view perfectly balanced and there enough, i mean ... tey cud include 500 weps, silenced, uncilenced, with red cannon ... but ffs tis a game if u've to loose 2Hours to prepare ur equipement like in Rogue Spear it won't be CS. I think that the bigger work they have to give is about grafic engine and maps gameplay. Maybe in the future will we play like in tribes2 14 vs 14 games in giantesc maps All other cud be kept coz of it's ok ... and i pray for CS1.3 not to be too different from 1.1 ... fix hitbox bugs, add maps and that's all ... all other will be s***e !! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Eightball 05:18 7/9/2001	OK, bit late for my 2 pence but I think that CS has been a victim of its own success. The game will become less popular because of the way it's played. When the mod first raised its beautiful head you had a small group of dedicated fans who latched onto its immediately satisfying gameplay. People eagerly downloaded the latest versions (waiting forever on 56K whilst paying for every minute online!). The reason? TEAMPLAY! Teamplay was the most satisfying way to play CS, a good execution of a team-based assault was the most gratifying experience the game could offer. Nowdays servers seem populated by quick-fix, ego-seeking, get as much kills as possible glory kids who will stop at nothing (even cheating) just to have their name at the top of the fraglist. Teamplay? All these idiots are missing the POINT! You want to be at the top of a fraglist? Play the original HL! Still a great game! And leave our beloved teamplay masterpiece alone!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Reizig 00:54 12/9/2001	I am HOPING that Counter-Strike 2 stays true to the original. I love CS. I dont want it to change. Any major change they can make that as you say will "revolutionize" gamming will have to be a big change. And i cant imagine changing anything huge in CS without somehow ruining it. People play it because they like it the way it is. All I need to keep playing is new maps, and new weapons every so often. I dont want more. If I want something different, I'll play a different game - its that simple. Keep CS the way it is, and everyones happy (bored of it? go play another mod - problem solved). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	VashtheStampede 08:02 15/9/2001	How about we put it this way.(I wish ) 1) No more sv_cheats command on console and no cheats can be installed. 2) New maps and double missioned maps.(there are some now) 3) Wish there was a possibility to buy two weapons of a kind but limited, example, two TMPs, 2 mp5 at a time (you get my point ), ya know, dual elite style weapons, but you cant use two aks, no two m4a1 and etc. 4) Make w weight system more realistic, example, you can buy lotsa grenades or stuff, but definitely you REALLY SLOW DOWN cuz of the weight. 5) New engine (of course) 6) Improved graphics of weapon/player models. 7) Voice Comm ( cs2 must come with a voice comm software for some people that doesnt know that) Reaction styles, like some packs example, you react to a hit or something. like argh (this must be given to all users ) 9) A new search style on servers, example, you can search not only IPs but server names and stuff. 10) A built in ping checker (without using other softwares) wherein you can check your pings if high or low. 11) Bug fixes ( as in ALL bugz) 12) I wish that Terrorists can now carry two C4s if ever the other one failed for more action pack. 13) Not exactly a NEWER list of weapons/players but an additional list like weapons dont only have up from 1:1(pistol) to 5:1(machine gun, Para), but reach up to 6 or 7. 14) I also wish that (impossible but most want it to happen), that others may see your character skin,as a symbol to recognize who you are. List goes like CT 2-1 is SEAL, 2-2 is GSG-9, etc.,then a new number shows, 2-5 (your special skin), if you ask thats a problem to know whos the enemy, then know whos your ally! 15) Kick people who camp more than a minute or two. 16) Etc. i cant tell all my just WISHING ideas, you all know my point, that CS2 MUST have built-in programs and new refreshing options. Lastly, some of my idea may suck to others cuz we have our own opinions, this isnt about what version you first started nor stupid issues, its about a new and refreshing the game's features. -=Trigun=-VashtheStampede P.S. I saw [C3D]Kamio camping in a ULTIMATELY impossible area in cs_militia and cs_assault, man, stop cheatin, you have no pure skillz in cheatin! ;D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	VashtheStampede 08:12 15/9/2001	oh yeah, i forgot, e-mail me if ya'll wanna argue or give some GOOD comments. hoping a challenge ya'll, but for now, FRAG some more!!!!!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[NTC]Silinder =WDW= 11:14 20/9/2001	CS will be around for at least another 2 or 3 years. Why? Because of the graphics engine. Due to BT screwing up my net connection (again), I installed and tried some CS style games for UT and Q3. None of them had the gameplay of CS. None of them had that "feel" that makes CS great. And none of them, with all their fancy graphics engines, had the look of CS. All the textures looked like plastic. The weapons in general looked crap. I see many people complaining about the character models. Well go and try some of these mods, and you'll realise just how lucky we are. The problem with CS is not the code (apart from the hitboxes), it's the people playing it. But what do you expect when even high level clan players are caught using cheats. What kind of message does that send to others. As for the last comment about kicking campers...."camping" can be a valid tactic, deal with it. Perhaps you want ban people who rush, because thats "not realistic"?? If someone has an AWP and is guarding a route, go a different way, get behind him, and tear him a new a$$hole. If a CT is guarding a dropped bomb, go kill him if you want it. Thats called tactics that is, part of which is getting you frustrated so you make a mistake. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gooseman 01:57 13/10/2001	Hey guys, I just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents. First off, a little background info. I started working on CS 3 years ago.. Ever since the initial release, I found myself playing for hours on end on a daily basis. When CS 1.0 came out, I asked myself what I wanted to do. Should I start work on CS2 or should I try to come up with something fresh and innovative. At the time, I was actually leaning towards doing a western mod for HL2. Think of Outlaws meets CS. After much deliberation I decided I wanted to do a CS2. I felt there was still more areas to explore in terms of gameplay and I definately wanted to see how CS would look on a new engine. I envision CS2 to be a superset CS1. I'll still have the same scenarios and then some. Graphically, I'm really happy with the new CS2 models and the power of the new HL2 engine. I hope y'all feel the same way when you see it. I can't give any release dates on when I expect CS2 to be ready but I reckon it'll be a sooner than many of you think.. Looking back, I'm amazed at what CS has become. It really boggles my mind. I feel a lot of it has to do with proper marketting. I'd just like to thank you (the players) for the support. You've put up with a lot of s*** (cheats, lame newbies, etc..) and to be honest, I don't know if I would have shown the same patience as some of you have. I'm excited about CS2.. Do I think it will revolutionize the online gaming community? no.. Am I looking forward to making/playing CS2? Hell Yes.. (but that could be due to the fact that I havent touched CS in almost a year now). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	=TMT=CoolKiller (Lea 16:31 13/10/2001	I don't think that CS is all in the life, but i play it many times.Because it is the best Game ever (FrOm DeNmArK) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	=TMT=CoolKiller (Lea 16:37 13/10/2001	We need players if there are some Danish/American gueyes out there plz! check mora.adsl.dk/tmt/ Whe have allready 5 players but the site is really hard under progras. Or contact os at tmtklanen@hotmail.com. (FrOm DeNmArK) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ADMIN 16:40 13/10/2001	CS isn't all in the life (was number 1) Number 2 WE DONT WANT SPAMMING!!! Number 3 This Forum will be cleared after 5 weeks ................................................. Clearing............. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iX\|JackaL 05:25 22/10/2001	reading this post few days ago... i decided to come back today. Kind of makes u think... is it the lame newbs that f**ed up this game coz they didn't have time and patcince to get good so they wanted to do it the "FAST" way... and therefore making CS a cheat-land... angry* and gooseman... i'm trusting you will make CS2 even better then CS has done... but make sure its harder to cheat FFS [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SPAWN @ [GKN] 13:39 24/10/2001	I dont know what everyone is complaining about?! ppl screaming give other games a chance. i do give other games a chance but unless they can meet the high standards of CS i will not return to them. I think that CS has set a president that is a challenge to all other games designers. If a game that is brought out can drag us away from CS then it must be pretty damn good!. but until then its CS all the way. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	WTE_Anvil 08:19 25/10/2001	A well thought out and presented article. CS like all games will ride it's course out. If CS2 is as good as CS in playability, but is less hackable and has better graphics i'd say a great many players will flock to it. For Valve (who i hear are trying to escape the grasp of sierra) CS and CS2 are very significant business investments, clearly CS is Valve's flagship and they are more aware than anyone of the dangers of getting the formula wrong. I feel because of these reasons Valve isnt going to be to concerned about what other game designers and communities think. For them Gaming is a bussiness and thats the reality of life for them. Alternatives to CS will appear. Games like Ghost Recon, DFLW, Red Faction and Tribes II are going to take a toll on the CS community. The end result could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your perspective. as a gamer who enjoys CS as well as other games, i prefer to enjoy the diversity, and ride each wave out for as long as it lasts. Cheers from downunder. Anvil www.wtecommand.com [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	alex pitchers 18:44 25/10/2001	ffs u stupid nerds.Cs has about a month left b4 other games take over it. U retards who make huge posts...no1 reads them! coz they dont giv a flying fuk wot sum nobody cares. go hav a wk over ur animal porn, fu*in nerds [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DaFunk 17:33 29/10/2001	They have to be reading them to be able to reply.... Stoopid [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MadFox 23:48 31/10/2001	I partially agree with whoever wrote the reply saying that i "if you don't like it, play something else". This whole debate thing has come up because I think we know we won't be playing CS forever, but we don't want to let go. Everyone knows it will be hard to recreate that special formula CS has that makes the game so addictive. I myself find it hard to believe that a CS2 with a new engine will have the same feel as good 'ol CS. It may have improved the feeling (though I doubt it) and recreated gameplay that feels a bit like CS, but it won't be CS. And to those who wants CS to die to leave room for other games, p*** off I myself often play other games, try them online too.. but they just don't have that feel, that gameplay, the perfect mixture that you get with CS. When there are games better than CS, in every type of the way, then you can start complaining (but then it will most likely have a big enough community for you to stop complaining) :-p [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	11:47 1/11/2001	CS is a great game and has made history, but better things will come and in the future (dawn of cs-2) peaple will be looking for the nxt step forward, hopefully this is what cs-2 will be. You can't stop the gaming industry from developing better games and technology this should be a good thing. CS-2 should add more to the game we all love not take it away and turn it into something else! Tom Humphris. - lifes to short not to move on! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Harry Grech 05:22 4/11/2001	I love counte strike alot and i will play till the end of my day's.I think that i will most defintly still play in a year and A half's time.....I also love bacon. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iLLu 09:59 5/11/2001	Deaan from tstp? btw nice article [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	.Xi 13:02 6/11/2001	meow gogo Deean [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Agent Orange 16:10 15/11/2001	I think cs is there to be beat but I doubt if cs 2 will be able to actually improve on it significantly. What makes cs so popular is it has the best netcode of any online game around which allows for smooth fast play, when the likes of a game like OFP can match that then cs`s days may be numbered [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pac 19:06 16/11/2001	Counter Strike will never die due to its excellent weapons, maps and game play. CS is a classic and classics never die. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	- 03:52 16/12/2001	If you look at quake1 & quake2 you'll see that there are still a large community for these game's, The trouble with quake is that there is/was a large gap between quake1&2 and 3 (strafejumping etc.). That is what ruined Most of the quake community (now its mostly competetive), people didn't relate too it 'cause it was all diffrent. But in counterstrike you have a working concept therefore a new 3d engine (if made with not too many differences from HL3DE) would not make it die away like quake did. An example of this we can see with a mod similar to CS for quake2 AQ2 (some may have heard of it). AQ2 was second largest in terms of mod's when quake2 was at its heights, only beat by CTF. The creators never made a followup for the quake series(quake 3). So AQ2 died out. Many of the most hardcore players are left. But theres not so many new players comming. So if CS2 fails that is what'll happend; slowly dying. And yes i have seen aq2 fall from beeing the best realism mod to becomming something oldish and forgotten. I doubt very much that CS will be played at a competetive level like now in 1-2 years unless CS2 succeds. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	BigDave 18:17 2/1/2002	CS is IT!!! CS is far and away the greatest game I have ever played (and I owned a ZX81 first time round to get it in perspective). The truth is that you never get bored of this game. It is a drug, and a class A one at that. But at the heat of it is gameplay - it's the reward of getting that kill. I won't forget my first game of CS when I noticed other games apart from TFC in the WON list. I died a lot but got a kill and then there was no turning back. TFC/Quake/Unreal are all kinda shallow in comparrison. I have never got bored, and while I type this comment sitting at work all I can think about is getting home to kill and mame once more. CS is GOD!!!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pete 19:09 2/1/2002	CS is better than ever, since going retail there is tons more newbie fodder about. Come on admit it, it is the kill that makes it for us public players. CS Today = Total Carnage. I luv it. I hope it never dies. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	TFC 02:25 3/4/2002	ummm what is CS??? sounds gay [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Danny Walker 05:28 11/4/2002	Great article Deean. Firstly to all those people complaing about not having broadband connections and high spec PCs, you need to accept that you need to upgrade/start saving. I only have a 56k and K6-2 450 Voodoo3 myself and whilst it plays ok, I know the rounds would be a LOT more fair with a better PC. By the time CS2 is released I would think that a 1ghz processor coupled with a geeforce3 class graphics card would be considerd entry level. CS2 will see a new wave of people who DO have the broadband and high spec PCs coupled with the all new-gameplay elements that valve is guaranteed to offer. Improved and more widespread use of the voice technology, hopefully an end to all this rediculous cheating nonsense and a new engine to go with it. Improved menus, team commands, weapons, yes weapons, I mean thats what the game's about isn't it really. There's no details on whether there will be bots with CS2 as of yet but if CS:CZ is anything to go by we WILL want them the bots for offline games. Testers haven't been able to tell the bots from human players! New server tracking software is due to be released soon which makes it a lot easier to find a game YOU want. Doubters unite and agree CS2 WILL blow our titties off, IF the gameplay remains largely the same. Those of you who do own the high-spec PCs can also look out for games like raven shield which uses the Unreal Warfare engine, thats if you can be pulled away from CS for a night. O and then there's TFC2 and HL2. Valve are the Supremo. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	#uk.bham\|Lewis 22:58 14/1/2003	cs will always be at the top unless cs:cz takes its place otherwise it will just last forever with new weapons, skins and maps being introduced every other version ! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	toadlife 06:08 15/1/2003	My current opinion of Couterstrike is that it sucks. Don't get me wrong....I used to love CS, but stopped playing it the day 1.0 came out and the running/fliching animations were ****ed up. After that I tried 1.x but it just didn't interest me any more. CS was nice as a community project, but as soon as valve got involved it went down hill fast. Around three years ago, I moved onto MUCH better games since couterstrike. First, Hidden and Dangerous, and now, the Mecca of all games, Operation Flashpoint. These games were/are not for the average counter striker, as they are more cerebral and less reaction time type games. Frag fests were nice back then, but I've moved on. I've noticed a few people who have praised couterstrike for it's "realism". Counterstrike is not even remotely close to being realistic. If you want realism, play Operation Flashpoint. http://toadlife.net/ofp [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 09:47 20/9/2004	Oh how the quality of comments has suffered as the community has crumbled into a juvenile, illiterate bunch of tosspots! Be cute, eat fruit. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fezemoN 09:58 20/9/2004	ill eat u if u keep on about fruit! q:D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SFAL^Sarge Viva la! 10:11 20/9/2004	if you ask me, it all happened around the time CS started being released on CD in gaming magazines, giving all the little 12-16 year olds a chance to play the game without having to download it on their 33k modems. Then it all just went into disrepute because of the average age of the people playing the game :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	darkst0rm the demonic radicals 10:12 20/9/2004	They've come out of nowhere, from around v 1.5 to now. Full of the little s***s. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rude^ Jay Bee Eye! 10:16 20/9/2004	cs is s*** anyway, the way forward is operation flashpoint. nuff said. nuff said! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sugna 11:43 20/9/2004	SFAL^Sarge Viva la! 10:11 20/9/2004 if you ask me, it all happened around the time CS started being released on CD in gaming magazines, giving all the little 12-16 year olds a chance to play the game without having to download it on their 33k modems. Then it all just went into disrepute because of the average age of the people playing the game :) aye clint thats around the time cs started going down hill :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SpartaN 00:52 29/4/2005	So it's 4 years later......... Counter-Strike has 57,037 players on 39,938 servers with over 3.46 billion minutes played per month Counter-Strike: Source has 27,026 players on 12,030 servers playing 1.127 billion minutes per month and Counter-Strike Condition Zero has 9,780 players on 6,651 servers playing 588.988 million minutes per month. I think that answers it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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