Professional Gaming: Myths, Facts and Reality

Nearly a lifetime ago in gaming terms, the names of gamers such as Sujoy, Hakeem and Fatality first began to gain fame, money and media attention. Since then the pro-gaming myth has become a target and a cause for hundred's of thousands of youths worldwide to cut school, put their social life on hold and spend hours every night refining their skills. But what exactly is a pro-gamer and why do so many of today's players aspire to such a dream?

First I will try to identify a pro-gamer. To truly understand how to define a professional gamer we must firstly define the opposite, which would be an amateur gamer. Amateur is defined in the Concise Oxford Dictionary as "one who cultivates a thing as a pastime." Then under 'professional' the dictionary explains a professional in relation to games/sport to be "playing for money" (cricketer, golfer etc.).

As you can see a Professional gamer in these terms would simply be someone who plays computer games and earns money from it. However I'm sure many would be quick to point out the huge difference between the 12 year olds who won a £20 CS 2v2 tournament at their local LAN center last weekend, and Jonathon 'Fatal1ty' Wendel, three times CPL World Championship winner, due to appear on MTV later this month.

So, unable to find an 'official' definition that could apply to gaming I began to ask a few of the UK's well known figures of their opinion of what a professional gamer is.

My question was:

In your opinion is a Pro-Gamer someone who plays games and earns money, someone who is very good at games, or someone who lives solely off the money they make playing games?

Here are a few of the responses:

TheGenius - Professional means you get a salary, or enough regular money from it to live on. As a sportsman you are generally pro when you sign a contract.
ONE|Righteous - A pro gamer is someone who plays games and earns money of it.
So two 12 year olds who won a £20 CS 2 v 2 competition at their local LAN centre would be pro gamers?
ONE|Righteous - yes lol :D, I dunno fs :P. hmm last one then. Actually it deffo is that one.

They both seem to agree that a Professional gamer is someone who plays computer games and either has a salary or makes enough money to live on from playing games. This includes related matters such as sponsorship deals that would not have occured if they had not been playing games.

Now we have a higher understanding of what a professional gamer is I think it would be about the right time to answer the question on the lips of parents, teachers, employees and girlfriends. Why do so many of today's youth, the majority of which are male, want to become professional gamers?

I was unable to really collect my thoughts on this apart from the obvious notion of being paid to play games. However, last Wednesday I finally had some inspiration on the matter. I was taking the 45-minute rush hour (4:30pm) train from Victoria to Crawley station. I was in this carriage, and I looked up from my magazine and glanced around. Everyone in the carriage was male, wearing a suit, aged 35 – 55. Most of them were reading a newspaper, The Daily Mail being the paper of choice and all of them were silent. There was no real human sound except the odd mobile phone. Even then these calls would just be the missus reminding her husband to get an extra bottle of milk or something similar.

As I looked up from my magazine a second I finally noticed a common feature in every man in this carriage. They were miserable! All of them, they were clearly fed up of their £20,000 - £50,000 jobs, sitting at a desk behind computers all day, and most of all, they were miserable with a 30 – 60 minute train journey they had to make both ways every day.

Is this really what my generation wants to go to university for? Is this a satisfying, fulfilling way to live life? Did these people really expect their life would turn out like this when they were of my age (17)?

Before I go completely philosophical on you all here, I want to consider something. Could it be possible that gamers are driven towards professional gaming as a new and exciting outlet to avoid becoming their parents? The days of 5 generations of butchers or farmers all from the same family are long gone. Yet so are the days of teenage rebellion, so could parents coming home from jobs it appears they hate, to bills they don't want to pay and then tasks they don’t want to do have a deterring affect on the teenage mind with regards to what he desires to do with his life in the future?

Let's move on from that line of thought now to another one, role models. Professional gaming itself has many role models for everyone to look up to. These role models demonstrate how to not only win a lot of money from playing computer games but also the fame that can come with that.

I believe that with regards to sponsorship role models could be doing a lot more to endorse products. Believe it or not many people will buy the same equipment that the top players use because of the placebo effect. A bit like when people download Heaton's config and suddenly believe they have really improved. The fact is it has made very little, if any difference to their game. With equipment that is not as true. Mice, mouse mats, headsets and computers are all fantastic opportunities for companies to make money through sponsoring the top players. This could be a genuine good thing for these role models, as they would then have more than enough money to survive rather than just the tournament earnings.

There is a side affect to role models, whenever your watching them play or watching their demos, they make the game look easy, perhaps a little too easy. As a result people are unwilling to respect the amount of time, dedication and natural skills it takes to get to that level. Instead they simply believe that if they play the game long enough then they will get the free trips to Korea/Dallas the 'millions' of pounds/dollars and the MTV appearances. I am not claiming that in all cases they are wrong, it is possible if they dedicated enough time to it this could happen. However the dream is so great at present that it has a side effect of people skipping school, grades plummeting, reclusives and many nice girls confined to the side lines.

Perhaps these role models themselves should take on a more active role of informing people exactly what it requires to become a professional gamer, especially in terms of dedication. Although it sounds corny, like when you see a major league baseball star telling kids "don't take drugs" perhaps you could have a similar thing in esports with the top players giving out positive messages such as "finish school first!"

Too many websites when writing about a top professional gamer focus on the positive aspects of his life and career. I think sooner rather than later it would be important to take a look at the family of this gamer, the grade cards of this gamer, the ex-girlfriends of this gamer, perhaps even the appearance of the gamer. A professional gamer must have to make many sacrifices so let's take a look at them. Unfortunately, and I must be careful about the context I put this in, we will not see 50 year old gamers with damaged wrists or arthritis for many years yet. I say unfortunately simply because it would be of such a benefit to those wanting to join the 'elite' club. Much akin to the 'stop smoking' government adverts we see on T.V. frequently.

Another aspect of professional gaming and this one appeals to me especially, is also related through gaming role models. This is the opportunity to travel the world playing games. Korea, Norway, Germany, USA, South America, Taiwan there are major tournaments in many countries throughout the world. It must seem like a very exotic perk of the profession. Visiting new countries, meeting new people, exploring strange cultures, it is always portrayed in a very fun and entertaining light for the professional gamer in the media. For once I really cannot complain, this would be a big driving factor for me if I were looking to become a professional gamer.

It would be very hard to examine reasons why gamers would want to become professional without the most obvious answer, it's fun. There is no argument anyone can make with the above statement. Games are made for the enjoyment of the user. What could sound better when your playing your favourite game with the thought at the back of your head that soon, very soon, you will be getting paid for this. It must sound like the easiest job ever.

Sadly once again there is a downside. Do you really imagine that playing a game will still be fun when you play it for eight hours a day? To research this theory over the last Christmas period I set aside two days and played Counter-Strike for 8 hours on each of the two days. After just 4 hours on the first day I was fairly fed up of the game. Sure my skills improved, most noticeable my reaction time, but playing constant gather after gather or public servers just became so tedious I almost decided to give up on the whole thing. However I stuck with it so I could have a great understanding of what a game goes through in preparation before a major tournament.

After the first day I was simply not interested in playing anymore. My hand was just itching for a remote control to turn on The Simpsons. My left shoulder was in a small amount of discomfort and my eyes seemed a little out of focus when turning away from the monitor quickly. After 8 hours on the second day I had become a bit more patient with the game and was able to stand playing it for more intense, longer periods. Boredom had become less of a factor in stopping the game and I even joined in a clan game after the 8 hours had passed. However these 16 hours of Counter-Strike in two days had taken their toll, I was getting very worried about causing some damage to my shoulder and wrists, my eyes were ok now. It did not end there either. The next day I woke up with a very bad headache, bordering upon a migraine. However I do not know if this could be related to my intense two days of gaming.

What I learnt from this research was that the 'fun' aspect of gaming vanished very quickly and instead is replaced by a more dedicated approached. I must stress at no time did I give anything less than my best; I never used a tmp or any other such gun. If a wannabe pro-gamer was able to find the best position to sit in and enough spare it could be more than possible to become a pro-gamer. However it is not as fun as when you are playing with a few friends online or at a netcafe or anything.

There are many people out there with no real intentions to go to university or pursuing any other form of further education. Some people are simply destined to drop out of the usual means of education no matter what. Gaming can often give them an excuse to do so. In gaming they can throw themselves into it in a quest for professionalism. If it was not gaming why these people left education then it would be something else, just something that could make them avoid the coursework/essay. I know this because I often used to do something very similar. If I had an essay due for the next day and a Clanbase Counter-Strike game that night then I would usually pick the Clanbase Counter-Strike game and find ways to justify it in my mind.

Back to the point, gaming can be used an excuse to not only drop out of their education but to also avoid the effort of getting a proper job. This is obviously a short-term solution until the individual either finds something meaningful to do with their life, or a job with a good salary, if such a thing can be found with a lack of education. Sadly though many gamers only think of the short term so becoming a professional gamer, or claiming to become one, will be particularly appealing for a while as you can delay beginning your real life. Yes real life, as in car, mortgage, jobs, taxes, children...

I think an appealing aspect of gaming itself is that in that time you can "pretend" to be older. For example you can make minor sponsorship deals with server companies and pretend you are a proper businessman, or you can write articles for gaming websites and pretend to be a journalist. You can convince yourself that the skills you are developing at this level will help you in the future. Clan leaders may gain experience at this level for future man management tasks. You can help run leagues and tournaments and add that to your CV. There are so many possibilities. Meanwhile all this is driving the game further towards professionalism.

Recently I read a very good article on gamespy regarding Korean gaming. Having been lucky enough to attend the last World Cyber Games in Daejon I believe it would be an idea to look out how professional gaming has evolved in Korea recently. Let me refer to a section from the article mentioned above:

Although people have some disposable income, most families don't have enough to buy their own PC, or space to comfortably fit it in their home. Instead, they purchase time at Internet centers, known as "PC Baangs" (pronounced 'bongs.')

Unlike in the U.S., PC Baangs are major social hubs. "It's a mainstream part of youth culture," Herz explains. When Korean kids and teens need to get out of their crowded homes to hang out with friends, they walk to their local PC Baang. Young adults go there to chill with friends the way Americans go to bars or clubs. Even the layout of the place is social: typically the booths are set up with a loveseat attached to two PCs, so guys can sit with their girlfriends.

I think this article is a little bit too quick to dismiss this sort of culture existing in the UK. However from the many LAN centres I have been to I have seen friends hanging out there. I remember LanArena in Maidenhead used to be a great social point for many of the local youths. Sadly this is still only a small majority of the UK’s youth population, and bringing a girlfriend to a LAN centre would leave you very much single. The difference about professional gaming in Korea is that it has a much bigger foundation. It actually appeals to the greater mass of the population and they will watch games like Starcraft and enjoy watching them.

I was at the WCG 2002 Starcraft final, it was held in a huge auditorium of about 500 people and every single seat was taken. Even outside it was packed with people pressing against each other hoping to catch glimpses of the game or the two competitors. The media attention was intense, especially once the game had ended, the winner was surrounded, more so than many film stars would have been if they had been in attendance. So how did the grand final of Korea’s most popular game play out? Sadly I can't say, I fell asleep.

Another good example of how much bigger professional gaming can be in Korea was during the tournament itself. A top gamer was sitting at a desk signing autographs. In front of him were about 50 young children most aged 8 – 15 all waiting to get an autograph with this star. Many people would say it would be easier becoming a professional gamer in Korea than in Europe/America. I disagree, in Korea being a professional gamer is much like being a football/baseball star. It would be nearly impossible of making it and the chances of actually getting to the very top are extremely slim. It is a lot easier to compare the desire to become a professional gamer in Korea to our desire to become the next David Beckham or any other major sports star.

Elsewhere in the world professional gaming for an average player is much more of a possibility. Sujoy was able to achieve a lot not by being the best player in the world, but simply by being one of the first professional gamers in the world. This window of opportunity for most people is still open but it will gradually close. As professional gaming becomes more and more recognised would it be harder to become a pro-gamer due to the increased number of players?

Professional gaming is emerging more and more into the models familiar with professional sports today. Slowly but surely each brick is being laid and then the next one on top of that. A good example of this is eSports-pro. A company started by Paul Meakin formerly of Nocturne(.LTD), eSports-Pro was founded with some very good intentions, good ideas, and a very good businessman at the helm. As I recall the company even went as far to mention a player's rights within a team and transfer fees. I think the latter of these would best be described as learning to run before you can walk.

"The company will act as a promoter for e-gaming teams across Europe, that it works for; offering commercial advice, gaining sponsors (both physical kit and cash sponsors) for the teams involved, brand policing the teams PR and over all view, issuing PR statements about the teams activity and creating financial revenue for the team from the teams web sites via my business interests, business interests of the other partners in this venture and business associates across Europe."

eSports-pro was another company which awakened the professional gaming dream again in many gamers, only this time the dream was brought closer to reality. I can not decide whether it was what eSports Pro said or what they did, but professional gaming did seem to becoming more of a reality again. I spoke to Paul Meakin to determine exactly how successful the project had been so far.

How successful has eSports Pro been in achieving its original goals?
Paul - Well in meeting the original goals I would say it has fallen short, but what we were trying to do had never been done before so there were no Blueprints! You try something and if it don't work you try another way.

What has come from past experience now is that many sponsors have been ripped off badly and any sponsor that is worth his salt will not support any team that has nothing less than a good track history and is a top team. That opens up the sponsor market too maybe 20-30 teams world wide. So esp has had to change its position and start to work on a tried and tested model.

Many teams have benefited from esp so far, in many ways. Some bits of kit, some funds and lots of help and advice. So overall I would say e-sports as a whole, players and teams have gained from the creation of eSport pro. Many will say "errr dont think so" but trust me there are plenty that have.

Also when we did the everglide deal, ONLY 5 teams out of 20 carried out their part of the bargain! That told me plenty!

So the way forward is not just to beg for help, eSport pro must be able to offer companies exposure via a way that they can trust and is tried and tested so eSport will be launching it's own gaming portal that will be aimed at gamers as a whole. PC, XBox, PS2 etc. A real news site that offers many other aspects to each community. The site is built, hosted and domain is registered. Just getting the content. The income from this site and esp main site will go towards supporting those teams that can show that they deserve it, and some teams may not even be in esp!!

A long time ago you considered starting a governing body for gaming, has any progress been made on this?
Paul - Yes some progress has been made. Respected people in the world gaming community have said they will sit on the board and they all agree it is the way forward for the sport.

It would not be fair to mention there names without asking them first but thats as far as it has gone atm. The people who have agreed are the most influential people in this sport (outside of CPL, WCG etc) and they have only one interest and that is for the welfare of the sport.

More time will be put into it, but not atm....maybe in 3 months it will be full steam ahead. eSport pro has to create income for the teams now and that is my main goal.

Why do you think so many gamers want to become professional?
Paul - Easy; fame, fortune and fun. It is every gamers dream, or anyones tbh, to do something you enjoy and be paid for it!
Do you think most gamers wanting to become professional underestimate the time, dedication and sacrifices it takes? If so is this the fault of the media only reflecting the positive aspects of the "sport"?
Paul - Yes I think everybody underestimates how hard any dream is to achieve. No matter if it is working for yourself, becoming a pro footballer or a pro gamer. It’s as simple as that. There are few that have the ability and even less that have the commitment.

We have not even seen a true pro gamer yet and I don't think we will see one for 2-5 years.

A rather mixed response there, he does tend to agree that gamers do not appreciate the dedication it requires to become professional. Yet he also believes that some gamers are not ready for the 'next step'. However esports pro is still learning both from its mistakes and successes. Even if Paul Meakin does not believe there are any professional gamers yet I have no doubt there will be an individual soon which will in his books classify as one. The impact which eSports Pro makes upon professional gaming and if it did give more gamers a desire to become professional will probably not be known for another couple of years.

I asked Thorin, a friend of mine who works (and get paid) for gamers.nu. A top gaming website in it’s own right.

Would you yourself like to become a professional gamer?
Thorin - Part of me would like to become a professional gamer, I'd call it the competitive side of me. When I'm in attendance and I see a team like 3D or SK wins a tournament I always feel a bit wierd when they are winning like perhaps a little envious. Not just of the money but also the satisfaction you get from knowing you are the best. However ultimately I doubt I would want to become a professional gamer. Put simply I don't have the dedication to play a game for 6 hours a night scrimming like some of these American/Swedish players can/do. After maybe 2 pcws max I'm about sick of the game. If I was going to play anything professionally it would be a 1 on 1 game so I doubt I'll get that chance for a while.
Do you think most gamers wanting to become professional underestimate the time, dedication and sacrifices it takes? If so is this the fault of the media only reflecting the positive aspects of the "sport"?
Thorin - I think overall the average pro 'wannabe' does a bit of both, he underestimates the time and work it takes to actually be in a world top 16 clan and you can see this when you see some of the 'wannabe' clans in clanbase etc who play twice a week but still believe they are going to get to the top. I also think they overestimate lots about becoming a progamer too, people seem to think that the pro-gaming life is more than it actually is. Then again, maybe it's this fantasy of the perfect life playing games and making money that drives the next generation of pro-gamers to soar to new heights. As far as the media reflecting the positive sides of pro-gaming only, I would agree. I've seen a lot of articles that acted as though all you had to do was start playing games now and you could be playing in the WCG at the end of the year or whatever. Look at someone like dark and he only began playing professionally after years of hard work in multiple games. I think the use of the total prize fund of a CPL tournament for example.

From this, Thorin and myself appear to be in agreement about a lot of things, we both would secretly like to be professional gaming for "the dream" but not for the hard work that goes with it. Thorin also supports the view that the media are perpetuating a myth about the great professional gaming life.

What can I now conclude from all of this? Professional gaming to some people is on its way and to others is already here. I would love to say that professional gaming is constantly moving forward, but a glance at Sujoy’s old website and wonder what happened to his professional gaming career? He was the focus of the UK media attention when it came to professional gaming. Now despite the odd appearance on Lan Jan or a sci-fi show the attention has somewhat fizzled and he is currently running the VGA with Dominic Mulroy.

Professional gaming like most other things still depends upon money. If the economy slows down like 2000 – 2001 then professional gaming will also be on the decline. Professional gaming hangs upon a thread at times, one big economical meltdown will scare off the big companies from pumping the money into the competitions.

As long as the prizes for competitions keep growing so will the media interest, the number of teams, and the sponsors. It is the competitions that keep professional gaming alive.

Winning a competition is a dream that will keep gamers wanting to become professional. The minutes after the competitor has just won the world championship will be the same minutes that gamers will spend countless hours training for. In the future expect professional gaming to expand and normal youths wanting to become professional gamers but for a different reason. Because they love the games they play and are naturally talented at games.

Let's hope professional gaming gains the respect it so desperately need in so many different areas before too many gamers ruin their lives in this quest.

Comments

Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
21:33 9/3/2003
took so long to write :)

See who agrees and who doesn't i guess :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
esp|Paul
21:42 9/3/2003
V nice read, well set out and another show that no matter what people say, e-sports has some very pro people interested in doing their part (Myers & UKT). [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ripper
Rush!
21:56 9/3/2003
i'll read it 2mora at college! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NoToRiOuS
2 COOL 4 SKOOL
UKTerrorist
22:05 9/3/2003
dont read it i am boycotting it!!!!!!!..jk


^^ the facist myers edited my post,,,,!!!

stop it myers im going to cry and tell on you! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sincy
22:05 9/3/2003
Nice read as always, altho i reckon that a lot of ppl think a pro gamer is someone who is very good at a game, myself included. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NoToRiOuS
2 COOL 4 SKOOL
UKTerrorist
22:09 9/3/2003
i think to be truely "pro" u have to be able to live off ur earnings/winnings. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Gryff
22:17 9/3/2003
I'll read it tomorrow during a hardware tutorial :x [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Antmoo
22:20 9/3/2003
good article, a very interesting read.

it's good we now have people like esports-pro who are willing to make it happen, not just dream. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Kwak
22:34 9/3/2003
nice read but ur truely one sad f*ck.. q:D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Necroboy
fightclubclan
22:34 9/3/2003
Very good, Ill be sending it to my mum [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hyperion
23:05 9/3/2003
i think what u said was a bit obvious. but maybe thats just me :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anisty
23:17 9/3/2003
nice article myers [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Divvur
23:19 9/3/2003
I would comment on the article, but there is soooooo much of it, so it would take me forever!

soooo.......

nice article :o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
phonics
23:34 9/3/2003
do u live to work or work to live ?

if u live to work then yeh ull get bored of ure £50k a year job but if u use that £50k to live then ure gonna have alot more fun than any semi pro who has to spend all their day on a computer to earn a few grand at a cs tournament. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Righteous
Clan ONE
00:02 10/3/2003
lol didn't know u was writing an article :D

i just read the first option you put and said it cos i was djing :o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Red0x
00:18 10/3/2003
Pro gamer ey.. Myers, u certainly aint one of those :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
arsen
Head Arse
UKTerrorist
00:41 10/3/2003
Hmm...just searching for the part where he says he is...no all i can find is this:

For once I really cannot complain, this would be a big driving factor for me if I were looking to become a professional gamer.
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arsen
Head Arse
UKTerrorist
00:47 10/3/2003
I have been thinking of giving up serious gaming for a while now, and recently my game has been going downhill sharply, mainly because I am just bored of it.

It may be the cfgers, it may be the cheats...i dunno, but i'm actually sick of a game I once loved and put so much time into. I think this article has opened my eyes a bit, to where I hope to end up..and what I would achive.

I have never aimed to be a pro gamer, so this makes me wonder why i'm still playing a game that I dislike seriously? So i'm no longer going to take CS seriously, I figure i'll just play it when i'm bored...really bored. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Mango^
00:56 10/3/2003
Good article. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Krispy
01:07 10/3/2003
nice article [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Red0x
01:21 10/3/2003
ok ok, i obviously failed to see the point of posting comments. nice article mr. myers [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
amrc
02:50 10/3/2003
Very nice article. I especially like the girlfriends bit! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
kirdi
Last Chance
07:19 10/3/2003
Great article. :) If you never make it as a pro gamer you'll write for a living tbh :). [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Wolfie
WanadooWolfie
07:39 10/3/2003
there was a gf bit? i need hints and tips :P
too early too read all of it, but the half i did read was interesting.
a pro gamer is someone who earns enough money to live on, the kid at hte local LAN wouldnt be able 2 live off of £20.... unless he bought 2000 1p sweets :)
arsen, its the same situation with me, my game is going downhill (which amazingly it can do, i didnt think i could get much worse:)) and anyone with a k:d ratio of 4:1 is a hacker or cfg'er. the paranoia (however u spell it:P) is ridiculous now [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
08:23 10/3/2003
Myers - you thinking of giving up 'pro' gaming to become a writer?
I wouldn't recommend it
Seriously though - pro gaming as you are looking at it should really be called 'career gaming' -
At the moment I would say that it is virtually impossible to become a career gamer - you could exist on winnings if you were good, but could you sustain a family? etc etc
Obviously you could combine your hobby and your job, but thats moving away from the whole concept.
However, give it another generation, and I would say that the prospect of gaming as a sport will be coming to fruition, and those in the right place will become the first wave of truly pro gamers. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
d0ly`
09:15 10/3/2003
clever thing abut not being like the miserable men on the train, i think thats quiet true. kinda loooong tho, which can't be healthy for your fingers. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
09:45 10/3/2003
As much as I mock my mates who ended up as accountants - and who no doubt look miserable sat in the tube every moning - they work to live.

Alright they have miserable dull jobs, but they earn a f***load more than i do writing about football and they can afford to really go mental when they get out of the office.

I know it's easy to see job as the be all and end all, but it honestly aint. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
09:48 10/3/2003
Myers - you thinking of giving up 'pro' gaming to become a writer?
I wouldn't recommend it

harsh :(

I think while attaining money is still the main driving force in our society then living to work will be most likely [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
09:50 10/3/2003
I meant cos the money is s***e actually - i can see how you misread it though! Not my intention. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
09:52 10/3/2003
and re live to work.
I challenge anyone to work for more than couple of years and not realise that whatever you do you end up celebrating friday 5:30
Even i do and i normally have to work at weekends :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
09:56 10/3/2003
If you were a pro-gamer u wouldn't be celebrating friday 5:30...u'd be playing long into the night i imagine :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
10:17 10/3/2003
grass is always greener - if you were a pro gamer you may well be wishing you could go out with your mates ona friday and round up the local totty [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
nine!impu1se
11:54 10/3/2003
tbh. it was quite a cool article ,)

and red0x uhu myers is a pro-gamer, if you don't know anything about him just sjaddap ? ,) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ak
11:55 10/3/2003
Aye, that is very true man [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
11:57 10/3/2003
the one eyed w**ker strikes again :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
11:57 10/3/2003
i meant winker [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ob0rsder
12:09 10/3/2003
eam 3D appeared on Tech TV’s “Screen Savers” this evening; I will upload a clip as soon as I get a chance. While on the show it was announced that Team 3D is now sponsored by Comp USA (http://www.compusa.com) and NVIDIA (http://www.nvidia.com) to become the first true professional gamers in America. More information will come in the days to come. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ob0rsder
12:10 10/3/2003
meant2 quote that. they are probably going to earn a wage. so maybe its a start of somethign bi [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
12:12 10/3/2003
yeh i heard about that a couple of days ago, it made the newsites rounds. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Student
THX
13:02 10/3/2003
Regarding the blokes on the train:
I work 9-5:30 each day, I enjoy my job and I get a good wage out of it. However, there's no way in hell I'm gonna look pleasant on the train home.

Were you looking all cheery and happy because you werent working? Or did all those people look at you and think, "theres another miserable teenager"? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
nerf
Clan ONE
13:04 10/3/2003
"I challenge anyone to work for more than couple of years and not realise that whatever you do you end up celebrating friday 5:30"

ne'er a truer word was spoken. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
nerf
Clan ONE
13:05 10/3/2003
ooo its student :> [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
13:58 10/3/2003
Bet you looked pleasant on the train home on Friady when you were w**kered Si :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Student
THX
14:05 10/3/2003
Lo Nick, and yes Pat I was smilling on Friday night on the train. But that was more to do with your theory of 5:30 rejoicing. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Divvur
14:13 10/3/2003
Myers - you thinking of giving up 'pro' gaming to become a writer?
I wouldn't recommend it

More than harsh, its complete bs! A few years down the line, with a wee bit of training, Myers could easily be a top investigative writer!

Now be nice or I tickle you with a feather duster! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
FuSe`
15:22 10/3/2003
as with anything else, people who are successful are the subject of the envy of others who play the same game, do the same job etc. Its natural. Don't know if i'd actually like to be a pro-gamer as it seems a tad unhealthy and abnormal to spend such vast amounts of time at a computer.. we shall see

nice read myers.. nice to see your open to criticism even though some of it is undeserved. I agree with Calcio, money isn't everything, but no-one really lives to work, if you're paid a good salary you can enjoy yourself in your leisure time more because you don't have to be as careful with money. :o) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Del`
Sniper's Alley
15:33 10/3/2003
Really, really good article Myers. I read a lot of serious articles and books, and I think your article is as good as anything I've read in quality. Thought of journalism or writing as a career? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Fortune
16:05 10/3/2003
actually, there is at least one true progamer in the world right now, despite of what you say. SlayerS_`BoxeR` lives of his earnings, and more than so, he is a millionare. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
arma
16:16 10/3/2003
Don't know if i'd actually like to be a pro-gamer as it seems a tad unhealthy and abnormal to spend such vast amounts of time at a computer.. we shall see
and working in an office for 8 hours a day is better for you? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Del`
Sniper's Alley
16:46 10/3/2003
You have to go out your front door to get to the office ;P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Divvur
16:47 10/3/2003
At the office you get coffee breaks and get to talk to talk to the nice ladies at the vending machine. You can't wait for the next one.

If there is a single clan out there that inisists its players take regular breaks from playing CS I would be suprised!

^
I know its not a wonderful arguement, but I never have an opinion of my own, I just enjoy contradicting what anyone else says! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
callous
Specster
16:48 10/3/2003
anyone else afriad that CS will die before we all get any good at it ? the only chances the UK gets at proving itself is the odd CPL quals and mebbe 4K goin 2 CPL.

someone do a MAJOR compo with s*** loads of uk/eu or something ....

nice read myers [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
madmk
17:18 10/3/2003
ye, nice read.. dint bother with reading all of interview parts with esport pro dude and thorin. Only thing is tho there is no way of becoming 'pro' or getting into a good UK team if you are a new comer, you have to had been around when they were around to get ure game known, thus only thing i can see is to make a team with ppl you know and do what the good clans now did then. This is why im giving up cs, i might start a game like ut2k3 which is a 1 man thingy, easier to focus on and get good :).. then again i might not give up cs :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
zeNi
formidable
19:16 10/3/2003
Well done myers - good read

But i doubt 'pro-gaming' will ever take off untill an ideal game comes out and 'gaming' gets given a much needed face-lift. The main problem i think is the sterotypical 'geek/loser who sits in the dark playing games all day'. Of course this, for the most part, is far from true and as LAN events become more regular this prejudice is fading away but it still it exists.

Secondly there is the nature of the players, no-one wants to sponsor some c**ky 15-16 year old, sponsors would want a mature, 'nice' role model who is willing to take the time out to benefit the younger commmunity.

Finally you would have to be comitted to gaming 100%, a lot of people would like to pro-game in the evening and work during the day but as pro-gaming becomes more of a reality time becomes more valuable and you would have to make the descion to focus sole on gaming with the common reality that it could all fall apart. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
19:48 10/3/2003
ZeNi i've trying to get in touch with u for a while now, pm me on irc plz :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Pharcyd3
07:26 11/3/2003
I think trying to paly CS to a proffesional level is like playing the lottery - most ppl have little chance of sucess, but they still subscribe to the dream of being a pro-gamer because the chance to acheive is almost as good as actually acheiving these goals. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Mango
07:29 11/3/2003
Yeah that was a tad harsh, i'm of no great standing in the CS community so what i say has little relevance...but anyway.

You write a good article, so what if it had a couple of pages, i doubt many ppl could write a good article without resorting to turning it into a load of tosh.
I believe myers could have a future in the CS community on the journo side, he allready has the fact the he is (in)famous, he can write, so what is to stop him?

wp to the man to spending some time writing decent article, rather than talking s*** in IRC or dloading more p0rn sprays. At least, unlike some of you UKT readers, he can string a few sentances together and actually come up with some good, interesting and pallitable content.

Now some of you little sluts may flame me 'omg j00 lick myers a$$!!!1!' but tbh i couldn't give a f*** about him or you, and ass licking gets you nowhere and makes you look like a llama.

Wolfie, you did spell it right :>

Okie, now back to talking s*** in IRC.... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Pharcyd3
07:45 11/3/2003
The bit about teenage rebellion against boring desk jobs is interesting.... and might apply to the type of people likely to play computer games, but if you think about it even the whole CS community is still a small sample of the worlds teenage population... so i wonder how that theory pans out across the whole age demographic. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
16:40 11/3/2003
Lol i love the way people think i was being harsh when i explained what i meant not two comments down :P
If you're passionate about something, and can string a few sentences together there's nothing to stop you being a good writer.
But it is s***e pay and often a labour of love until you become pretty senior. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
16:42 11/3/2003
I read a lot of serious articles and books, and I think your article is as good as anything I've read in quality.

Rofl. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
16:50 11/3/2003
...and before you start thats a rofl at the comment and not a criticism of the article :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
17:44 11/3/2003
i'm of no great standing in the CS community so what i say has little relevance...but anyway.

Why not? Are you a non-person? Everyone's opinion is equally valid. Just because some people don't think so doesn't make it any less true :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Domje
21:44 11/3/2003
suprisingly good & interesting. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shroom
22:35 11/3/2003
great article, worth the effort :) lets hope it gets around [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Del`
Sniper's Alley
22:47 11/3/2003
Calcio, I didn't mean that with regard to quality of english/turn of phrase - something just written straight off is never going to be as good as something that's been edited and modified countless times, or written by a very experienced writer, but as a short article on a subject, I don't think I've read anything I've thought to be much better than that in terms of structure and content. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
13:34 12/3/2003
;p [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NoToRiuZ(the real on
02:55 14/3/2003
Myers u c**k muncher, how long did trhat take u? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
08:23 14/3/2003
3 hours 17 minutes 54 seconds [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Mango
19:33 15/3/2003
Did you use a stop clock? I somtimes time myself to see how long it takes to take a p***, i have got it down to 15 seconds but i always find myself soiling my trousers :/
can anyone beat this? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
10:27 18/3/2003
oh dear... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Rr|-Scrappy
13:04 18/3/2003
Nice post, i know that "pro" means geting paid but in my opinion, "pro" in my words is if your good at CS and play well with people, forget the money, but if you've got some, gimmy 8-| [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Dev
theb0g
17:45 18/3/2003
Nice article [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hedge
19:53 18/3/2003

By Cloud (Reply)
umm

who the f*** is this guy?
what has he won
how has he influenced "pro-gamin"
what does he actually know about it?
who the f*** is he to talk about "pro-gamin"?

but most of all,

"Before I go completely philosophical on you all here, I want to consider something. Could it be possible that gamers are driven towards professional gaming as a new and exciting outlet to avoid becoming their parents?"

what the hell does he know about "goin philosophical" and who the f*** is this idiot to go on about philosophy? is he Kevin Warwick? Iakovos Vasiliou? The Wachowskis? Jean Baudrillard? Philip K. Dick? Thresh or Makaveli? Lexer? Lakerman? Fatality?

shut up

need anyone say anymore... :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
21:48 18/3/2003
yeh what a muppet hedge :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sujoy
00:55 19/3/2003
You don't have to wonder what happened to my pro gaming career :). I can tell you. I pretty much gave it up when Razer went bust as they were the major sponsor. Since I wasn't a pro gamer anymore it wasn't worth the time and effort to carry on getting/doing media interviews.

Still it was an excellent stepping stone to get into gaming marketing. With hindsight, I don't think pro gaming is a long term career. Great fun for a year or so, but you have to grow up sometime. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Krime
03:53 19/3/2003
Nice article, shame you havent done the research into who has tried (so damn hard!) to get sponsorship for UK teams in the last few years. I guess we few are going to get very little press or appreciation in the coming years. Fair play, I'm glad Intel finally changed their rather s***e marketing dept. and we now have an inkling of a pro gamer scene. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Krime
03:57 19/3/2003
Sujoy, I would point you to the last issue of PC Gamer mate. Seems some people won't let your 'ancient' past lie. Apparently they still seem to think you are a Pro Gamer. Something I have seldom seen you deny. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sujoy
12:07 19/3/2003
I have been saying all along that I quit the pro gaming lark every opportunity I get. The magazines just seem to prefer to keep it going otherwise they don't have a hook for their story. In the end it doesn't bother me that much if a magazine wants to print something that's innacurate. Check the comment above, and any other comments I make on the subject at ESR. I always say that I quit pro gaming back in 2000. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SunShip
11:26 20/3/2003
your local pro at the driving range hasnt copeted in a tourny for at least 5 years. yet still he is classed as a pro when giving lessons as he is getting paid, although he posses no skill at all.. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
13:30 20/3/2003
How much money do u get now compared to how much you got when you were a professional gamer? or founded xsreality etc though sujoy? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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