It's Just the Ping

UK Counter Strike in Europe

Being an avid CS fan and one who follows the CS community (or should I say, European CS community), I've come to notice that there is an obvious opinion that some of our European friends believe the UK clans just aren't as good as them when it comes to competition time. Like you're probably thinking, I ask myself the question, why? Recently ClanBase (CB) held their famous CS European Cup for a second time. Did a UK CS clan win this tournament? Sadly no. The trophy stayed in Finland for second season. This time it wasn't clan Z who defended the crown but a newly formed clan known as Exousia who had evolved from The Ancients CS team/Apostrophe clan. In this season's cup there were only 2 UK clans competing (4kings and SLDR), compared to one UK clan in the last competition (4kings)! However in the tournament's second year there were seven clans from both Finland and Germany and six clans from both Denmark and Sweden! So are we to believe that the finest CS clans in Europe all come from these four countries? Surely there is another reason.

I've recently come to the conclusion that maybe it isn't the fact that there aren't enough skilful CS players in the UK, because quite frankly I think there are, but just maybe some of those skilful players in the UK are denied an opportunity to show their capabilities. This can come down to the gamer not having a good enough PC to really show he can "kick some ass" but in my opinion there is a more important reason and that is "broadband". What is broadband? Well the definition given on the NTL Broadband website states this, "Broadband services provide users with a high speed, "always on" connection to the Internet, removing many of the current frustrations of dial-up access." To the layperson this simply means your connection is super-fast and more than likely if you live in the UK, faster than the next UK Internet user. To the gamer this can only be described as "The Holy Grail". Sure you can download files super quick and pages load instantly, but to the gamer those things are trivial. What he wants is that LPB (low ping bastard) connection so he can compete against the giants of today's gamers and not be in a situation to say, "damn lpb's!" As an LPB you have a so-called "edge" over 56k'ers. Your bullets will hit your opponent noticeably faster and the game will more than likely feel smoother therefore making it easier to aim and fire.

In the UK we have two types of broadband, ADSL (provided by many ISP's) and Cable (provided by NTL and Telewest). With RADSL soon closing in there will be an increasing number of consumers who will have broadband access available to them. Even though satellite broadband and fixed wireless access have shown promise, high equipment and operating costs will keep their penetration rates well behind cable modem and DSL access over the next several years. At the moment the UK has one of the worst percentages of broadband users in Europe. This is purely because our telco companies didn't respond rapidly enough when installing such DSL services and because our cable infrastructure is, to say the least, crap! Cable modems were first introduced by NTL back in January 1999 and since then have grown to become a very popular service, but are only available in few franchises. BT announced their ADSL service under the ISP BTOpenworld and was set for a release date in July of 2000. These services have recently been dubbed "NTHell" and "BTOpenwoe" for obvious reasons. Correct me if I'm wrong but I found a staggering contrast that Sweden, which is home to some of Europe's "finest CS players", also leads the broadband market in Europe with 9.4% of homes connected to broadband this year alone. People who argue that having an LPB connection doesn't help that much are wrong and with few UK players using such high-speed connections that simply means for now we cannot be expected to be on the same level as our European friends because there aren't as many of us competing. In the UK alone we only have a meagre 0.9% of households connected to broadband services.

Germany's early adoption of DSL, partly due to lack of investments in the German cable infrastructure, means that it now leads the DSL market in Europe. By the end of 2000, there were approximately 400,000 DSL subscribers and only 1,000 cable Internet subscribers. The German market will have increased to 5 million DSL subscribers by 2003. Again there is that contrast of Germany being more broadband enabled and also being able to enter 7 clans into our European tournament. Whereas Britain only has a pathetic 30,000 DSL consumers. We also rank ninth in the European DSL table.

Today you will not catch one player from top UK CS clans such as 4kings or Nocturne playing their online clan matches unless all competing members are using their "broadband" connections. In most cases I've noticed that most of their members aren't actually broadband users but use ISDN. ISDN is a service which is faster than 56k but still not as quick as broadband. Lately there have been many arguments that even broadband users are making it harder for ISDN players to perform at their peak level and obtain their best ping.

Recently I caught up with a couple of players from two of the UK's finest clans. These were Rock (UK based) from clan nocturne.uk and Oppie (Netherlands) from clan 4kings, to find out their views on connections and how important they really are.

XceeD: What connection do you currently have and how important is this to you?

-|noc.Rock|-: I have ISDN, it's very important as it means I can compete at a high level over the net against top foreign clans. I can also d/l hl and cs patches reasonably quick. However, I wish I had cable instead :]

[4K^Oppie]: I use Dutch cable with Chello ISP. It is quite important to me, especially when playing a match versus an international opponent. Matches often have to be played on servers further away so a connection that is stable and good in the whole of Europe is important.

XceeD: Would you ever play an online clan match using 56k or allow any of your members to use such connection?

-|noc.Rock|-: No, definitely not. It gives a great disadvantage playing with a High ping. I wouldn't let my members use 56k for wars either for the same reason. To join noc.uk you need to be an LPB.

XceeD: Do you think if UK broadband were to be at the same level as in Sweden and Germany then we would probably have more players competing and possibly be at the same level of competition as they are?

-|noc.Rock|-: Yes, we would have more players competing at the same level of competition of clans from Sweden and Germany. However, I still believe the UK actually lacks good players. I sometimes play on finish servers and their aims on average are far better than players on public UK servers.

XceeD: With LAN events becoming increasingly popular what with the prize money they offer do you believe such competitions open the doors to hpb's who were unable to prove themselves beforehand and would you take on such player if they were "that good" in a LAN but could never get a broadband connection?

-|noc.Rock|-: That's quite a tricky question. The problem is if I did see such a player, he wouldn't be able to participate in practice wars much. We play a lot of top foreign clans for practice and play on foreign servers. With his 56k connection he would ping outrageously to these servers and I don't believe we would get sufficient practice as a clan, as he'd constantly be dropping etc. Also, If he had a 300 ping he's gonna get whacked out easily, so therefore, I wouldn't know if his position was a bad position or he was getting taken out because of his ping.

[4K^Oppie]: I think that LAN competition is a good development because it makes gaming more fair, as in all the same connection and PC. At the moment I think there are still too many online tournaments that require lots of online practise and therefore lots of time online. Of course if a player proves to be very skilled with a 56k modem I don't see why we couldn't take him or her on :). But unfortunately in counter-strike and other fps games such as q3 and UT ping does make a difference.

What Rock and Oppie have pointed out is that yes connection is regarded as a very important tool. With gaming becoming more international, lpb connections are essential for top clans to maintain their superiority. They also believe that good players with poor connections can still get noticed at LAN events. Sadly most clans do not practice at LAN's but online where we fall back onto the player's connection thus making it harder for the clan to function 100% efficiently at all times.

The UK's first Professional Gamer, Sujoy, had to move away from the UK purely because our phone companies were unable to deliver the specifications he needed to carry out what he would say was "doing his job". If you've ever played Q3 with a 56k connection and 200 ping you will remember how frustrating it was having to guess where your enemy was going to move because when you fired there was a substantial delay between the cause and effect, or pushing the mouse button and then seeing that rail gun blast across your screen.

On an ending note I encourage our fellow European friends to not write off UK gamers just yet because we simply don't have the Internet access most other European countries have at this time to be able to compete with similar pings making clan matches more even. Only when our telco and cable companies start to improve will more players have access to high-speed connections and therefore be able to shine as individual gamers and make our clans more superior than they are now. LAN events are merely windows for such broadband gamers to shine even more. In years to come I feel UK clans will be much stronger than they are today and hopefully in the CB Eurocup 3 we will have more than 2 clans competing! And with the CS Nations Cup closing in maybe Team UK can prove that we have a lot to offer the CS community as far as competition goes.

Article by XceeD

P.S. - After my last question with Oppie, I had to tell him how good I really thought he was and being honest I told him he owned. His reply simply was:

[4K^Oppie]: Hehe, it's just the ping mate……just the ping

Comments

Blitz
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UKTerrorist
18:54 16/8/2001
Brilliant article XceeD m8. The UK rollout of broadband has been so poor it's not funny.

There are so many hpbs who could do good clans justice...if they had the ping.

Anyway, nice read...better than the 'usual' cs article about menial subject, good job. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
lepo
19:24 16/8/2001
Great column, pld m8. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Socks
19:34 16/8/2001
Yer ur ping plays for u don't it... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
appz
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UKTerrorist
19:34 16/8/2001
sweet article m8, being on a modem im often on the end of an lpbs fluke shot!! hehe, give me adsl and u'll all fall to ur knees:)


/me stops dreaming [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
iLLu
19:38 16/8/2001
oOoOoOoOO
agree completely that lack of broadband in UK makes the general cs standard lower...
Main thing is the price compared to other countries although it does seem that cable companies are expanding thier services all the time and maybe start to catch up with all the rest of europe. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
-|noc.Rock|-
19:39 16/8/2001
Nice Article :] [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
hondaa
19:45 16/8/2001
Nice article mate....gl in the future :E [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
XceeD
19:46 16/8/2001
By 2002 all Cable franchises are expected to have CM's working. I've read rumours that NTL are talking about a 1mb service that will possibly surface around Christmas but these are still just rumours.

As for DSL, me sighs.

I look forward to my next article which will be about.... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Blitz
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UKTerrorist
19:54 16/8/2001
don't reveal it!

hehe ;)

I look forward to the day that broadband is the basic connection to the web world-wide. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
RenegadE
20:04 16/8/2001
Try to research your articles a bit more before you post them, cause you got some facts wrong. For this seasons Eurocup LCA were not picked to play in it, they were in the open cup. There were 3 UK teams selected, 4K, SLDR and SA. SA however disbanded just before the start of the tournament. SO feel free to correct your article. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
XceeD
20:06 16/8/2001
I was simply taking the UK clans off the ClanBase website which only showed those two. So it wasn't me but my source :)

But thanks for the info. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
c0Ka|Ne:1mA:
20:20 16/8/2001
Great article Xceed m8. I know all to well what its like to be a modem user cos I use to have 56k aswell. Although many people thought I was good, I swore that if I did have a better connection I could be lethal. It just so happens that I have cable now and a fast com. But I know that there are plenty of people out there with modems who would knock the rest of europe back into shape if the yever got the chance so dont worry, every one of us will get a chance. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
siNz
20:29 16/8/2001
nice article, i have isdn and its fine for uk gaming, however i'd love to be able to practice on mainland europe servers and not have a 150 ping, pity i live in a rural area, which is a major setback down the "to do" list of broadband [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
M@ppy
20:37 16/8/2001
Great article, good read and highly interesting.

Nice :D

M@ppy [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Monkeh
20:49 16/8/2001
There's a 900k ADSL out...so I've heard but never seen it on an offical site. There's better ones like T1 T2 and T3 but unless you got £1000-2000 a month to spare ya got no chance :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
M8rix
20:55 16/8/2001
ping makes no difference to me....I was crap with 56k and I'm still crap with cable.

Top article m8, look forward to another from ya. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
BooB
21:52 16/8/2001
It was a terrible article. Actually I'm just saying that because everyone else said it was good... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[UK.S]StrikeEagle
22:53 16/8/2001
I've heard rumours that NTL are going to introduce the 2MB connection rather than the 1MB. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Blitz
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UKTerrorist
23:38 16/8/2001
hehe m8rix and boob

2Mb...now that'd be nice. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Cloud
00:07 17/8/2001
i agree completly as i have only been beaten soundly by 2 or 3 fellow 56kers but alas my score on most public server is at best =kils and deaths due to the increasing ammount of foreign and rich uk players-ADSL MINE JAN OR FEB 2002-PRAY THEY GO BANKRUPT....... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
cs[uk] Bry
00:14 17/8/2001
You can actually get a 2Mb DSL line of BT for £1000 connection and £30/month. But you need to be able to connect both ends of the line.

Great news if you happen to work in the IT dept at your local university ;-) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Andros
00:42 17/8/2001
Good read that was where i live in devon there dsl is not available yet there is only isdn but it is so expensive down here. 56k has become so fustrating the last 8 months playing cs q3. When you clearly know you shot some one first and your dead already and i have managed to get a ping of 120-150 on a modem. When i play on a LAN its like i am 100% better cus when you fire you know u will hit your ememy(if not its the hit boxes lol just joking) So looks like i will have to wait till i move up country to get me dsl until then my fellow lagmaster ....Keep the Faith [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Bobby the Catfish
00:59 17/8/2001
Great article, its good to see some people still notice that 56k'ers exist out there among the many, and lets hope that arrogant BT get a relatively large pole crammed up there A*** and start letting telewest and ntl have a bit more freedom. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
XceeD
01:14 17/8/2001
hehe was it obvious I'm a 56k user? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
oppie
01:16 17/8/2001
Nice work. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Silent Assassin
03:04 17/8/2001
I'm an American 56ker, my area is horrible and I can't get cable or DSL, good thing is that I should be able to get it by the end of the year. Even though I get good ping for 56k, like on good servers I get from 120-170 ping, it still isn't that good because my modem can't upload as fast as it's supposed to respond for smooth play, so a bunch of my bullets don't register... No matter what 56k isn't as good as broadband, thanks for pointing it out to everyone else. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]

05:00 17/8/2001
a msg to these ppl that say they get 120 ping with modem .. and then say bullets r not registering:
ur ping may be lower but the connection cannot handle it!!!! the lower your ping is in the spawn, the higher is gonna shoot up during a firefight [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Cary
06:21 17/8/2001
well i got to say i used to live in an area of the US where cable or dsl was not going to be available for 4 years. now i'm going to college next week and am living "in the big city" so i have dsl now. i sucked big time with the 56k connection and i'm just as bad with the phat pipe if have now. i get pings of 40 or 50 and i still can't hit a darn person.

*sigh*

I guess i just have to practice.

oh p.s. the only people i can kill are people on 56k lines so bring it on 56kers lol [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Cary
06:22 17/8/2001
By the way, touching article, i never new that in the UK broadband was so limited.

and if anyone see's a Dark_Star playing, take it easy on me ok...(lol) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
zERM
06:34 17/8/2001
56k sux, ISDN is too expensive, CABLE is not available.
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A common Fact for most UK-Gamers
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even if you have the luck to have an ISDN box, the fact you have to use rates less than half of what cable users can use and still half your ping makes it suck also.
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The Government :: All of the UK will have Broadband by 2005.
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The fact is the uk like to get the most they can get out of things, and if that makes ripping the people of the UK off, then so be it.
The head bummers (BT) have held back britain so much and that is why we are so far behind other countries. i remember not long ago when not only did i have to buy an isp, but it was local rate + monthly cost (while america was free) you think thats because BT need to charge loads its because they are money crazy. they had the infrasturcture already and just cleaned up. They are still cleaning up and this is a main reason we are so far behind in broadband. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
GOD
07:39 17/8/2001
Jesus Christ, "my "telco company" doesnt give me good acces so i can't "play" well". s*** b***h, compensate for lag, or don't play. E.I.
Eat a dick limey [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Toilet-Duck
07:52 17/8/2001
word up god

EI [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
-|noc.KOBA|-
08:12 17/8/2001
lo I'm KOBA from the german nocturne squad, good article u made but I think u made a fault. Yes many people in Germany have dsl but most of the people that have dsl have t-dsl and t-dsl doesn'T support fastpath yet so germans have worse pings than they have with ISDN. The only reason why so many people bought t-dsl is the flatrate u can use if u have dsl. I don't know any flatrates for ISDN that a normal Teenager can sell. I play with ISDN but T-DSL is ordered :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MenTasM
09:04 17/8/2001
2mb Dsl is a waste of money

infact the max dsl connection which is worth the money is possibly the 512k connection becuase......

your upload speed on all dsl connections are capped at 256k which is no good for gaming on the other hand cable in most cases is not capped in such a way and therefore you get the same upload and download speeds which is ace for gaming.

I am on isdn, waiting for BT to get its act together, just gimme the goddam stuff i fit the fecking exchange myself. 8) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Blitz
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UKTerrorist
09:42 17/8/2001
Where I live there's no cable or adsl etc either, which is extremely limiting when you're a student and can't afford ISDN.

Needless to say I'm stuck with my good 'ol 56k. But still...I kick plenty lpb butts hehe....please, just get me ADSL someone!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
CyRus^
09:44 17/8/2001
Well iam on Ntl Cable, and online gameign rox when u on bw servers and jolt, but nay tohers BAH =[
IT sux,

OuT [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
TheWoo
10:15 17/8/2001
Any one else wanna stab BT in the head with a rusty knife? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
St James
11:04 17/8/2001
lo all,
im a telewest cable user and i must say, if it wasnt for that, i couldnt even try to play cs on the net. Capped at 512kbit/s download and 128 upload is enough to get 40-50 pings all over europe (NGI...). And i play from scotland :)
Im amazed to learn that some good clan's players dont have broadband, how you get along is pretty impressive... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sim0n
11:17 17/8/2001
Don't nick meh damn smilies :E:E:E:E:E:E [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
decrepit
Croydon
11:34 17/8/2001
The Government :: All of the UK will have Broadband by 2005.

Whoever it was that said that is wrong - the gov said no such thing.

By 2005 its expected to be 14% of all UK homes - i have a mag infront of me. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Phil THE Savage
11:57 17/8/2001
Hi, gr8 article!I had a good time reading it and i presume that i would be a greeing if i could get on2 cs enough!First of all I have only ever played properly online once so u may not b able 2 call me well informed but I have a point to put across also!I am 1 of the 56kers and at the moment I am trying 2 upd8 my version of cs but so far have been unsuccessful because first off aol keeps disconnecting on me and secondly the download takes so long i end up falling asleep and aol says that because i have been idle for a while and so logs me off.This was not my main point of objection. My main point is that I would love 2 have a cable connection 2 speed things up but in my area (Hull-East Yorkshire)Kingston Communicatios r being tight and sa far they r not etting us get a cable connection because they want to keep their ratings or sum crappy reason! So u lot out there (except those who have Kingstopn Communications) should be counting ur lucky stars that at u at least have the opportunity 2 get cable (pls correct me if i am wrong though otherwise i am just plain stupid!). I think that UK CS gamers and clans r sufering because of this!
But as I say I ave only ad the opportunity 2 play onlineproperly once so i don't know the ful extent of the seriousness of this situation
Savé [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Edcrab
12:41 17/8/2001
BT NEEDS TO BE HUNG DRAWN AND QUARTERED.
*ahem*
I think perhaps a laggers league is in order. I was (WAS being the operative word) leader of <CALM> (non-registered) where you needed a 200+ ping to join. It only lasted a few months, with no more than 8 members at a time, and it inevitably died out after playing just three clan matches. It would be nice to have a league and international games for laggers, but it will eventually be irrelevant anyway IF BT get off their arse and give the more rural areas *cough* CUMBRIA *cough* compliance.
I am glad though that someone has enough brains to acknowledge how much a difference ping makes. Weapon delays, especially in op4, make sniping and rapid-fire weaponry near-useless. Thankfully it aint too much of a problem in CS, although what people dont realise is that the small delays between bullets mean that THE PROJECTILES WILL NO LONGER EXIST IF YOU DIE BEFORE THEY MAKE CONTACT. Apparently it's a logic thing- "bullets are meant to be instantaneous hits," thinks the computer, "therefore if the player is dead THEY COULDN'T OF FIRED." It is quite a drag on yer reflexes....:/
Well, I have 350+ ping and regular Flush_Entity_Packets. And still, it seems, some two digit scum, somewhere, still thinks ping makes no difference. HA! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Commando
13:14 17/8/2001
I'm a Svencoop and Desert Crisis team member and it really sucks to be on a slow UK connection when we have new releases as they are very large. Also all the uncompressed files and code from the mods are a b***h.
On barrysworld I get 250/300 ping which is riduculous for a server in my country.

PS Hey Edcrab [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
spunk
13:54 17/8/2001
I live in sweden and I have nice connection (2.5mb adsl).
You live in UK and have lousy connection (56k).
I live in Sweden and wI eat lousy fish'n'chips.
You live in UK and eats GREAT fish'n'chips.
Get over it.
=P
Ok... seriously. I was a 56k-rat just until recently, and I know how it feels.
But it's not imo worth moving abroad a'la Sujoy 'couse of the connection. If I KNEW I'd never ever would be able to get some kind of dsl/cable I'd start looking for a different hobbie. Cricket anyone? :)
In my town, there's this BIG block of apartments witch all got a 10mb fibre-connection, and aproximently 50% of the apartments are free for rent... You won't see that in UK, now will you?
"Du gammla du fria, du fjällhöga nord..." [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
H&D-CaRboNiTe-
14:20 17/8/2001
Well I'm inclined to agree with the article. But what's new? We've had the disadvantages since the days of QuakeWorld. It's appauling at the moment that we have such a poor turnout in International competitions when we do have skilled CS players out there that perhaps haven't been noticed because of a lack of high bandwidth connections.

The fact also that the UK servers are quite often clogged with newcomers (newbies) to the game's genre means that the decent skilled players like 4K and noc have to play on foreign servers or more recently the zkillz servers which kick out these newcomers for not having the skills.

Perhaps this isn't the way forward, perhaps if players that are new had a higher ratio of high bandwidth connections we could get to being on a par with Sweden, Germany and so on. Until then we won't know.

Good article by the way. =D (Sorry I love having a rant)

-Carb- [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
H&D-CaRboNiTe-
14:41 17/8/2001
Forgot to mention this...

The fact you have a low ping doen's automatically make you good. You've still gotta aim and you still have to use your brain to outwit people. I'm afraid no one can say it's 100% ping, ping plays about a 75% part of it but the rest of that is having good reactions, listening for audio cues to tell you where someone is and then having the knowledge of the map etc to take them from a side and surprise them.

It's no good saying "I can't kill anyone cos I'm on 56k" and then complaining that you still can't kill people when you've got a decent connection cos you don't have the basic skill/knowledge. I've played on both side of the coin, LAN/ISDN/33.8 KB/PS modem and all I can say is I learnt my skills (?) on my modem, then developed them on ISDN and down the lan.

I used to play QWTF (QuakeWorld Team Fortress) on American servers with a 33.8 and regularly timed out but because of the netcode of QW it meant I could still kill people and play quite well.

Having found the UK servers and realising I needed ISDN/something faster I quickly made the decision to get it installed. Yes it is more expensive and perhaps not worth it now but please don't complain that now you have your 512k ADSL you still can't kill stuff cos you don't have the skills.

It's annoying enough that you have a better ping than me =D

-Carb-

p.s. I ping 25-50 on BarrysWorld ISP with my ISDN to UK servers and 50-80 on foreign servers and I'm in a rural area too. Some people just gotta realise you have to tweak your configs to make full advantage of your connection. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
r1cko
15:11 17/8/2001
unfortunately not all cable franchises will have cable. I'm unlucky enough to live in a cabletime area and thus the network is still analoge, It'll be a while before it's upgraded. It's a huge task and costly to boot :( guess I'm stuck with this s***e BTo adsl, better than modem though. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[TRFG]TonySoprano
15:41 17/8/2001
On many UK public servers there are always a sizeable amount of European players at any one time. Why would this be? Are there no public servers in Europe? Of course there are. They know that there will be quite a few UK 56k'ers with pings of 150-250 who they can own with their 40 pings. Aside from the UK cable companies who are at least providing some competition, it's amazing that BT have been allowed to drag their feet over the last 18 months with regard to broadband rollout. Their press speaks of exciting, super-fast ADSL technology yet only the most profitable exchanges have been earmarked for upgrading. The fact of the matter is, they know an increasing amount of users want fast, stable connections but without access to ADSL technology, their only alternative is the very-lucrative-for-BT ISDN package. I pay £39 a month for an admittedly very good 64k ISDN link but this only covers evenings and weekends. Compare this to my friend's £25 a month, always-on, 512KB cable connection. So I pay almost double for an 1/8th of the bandwidth. It stinks!!

I got chatting on ICQ with a senior sales person from BT one night and jokingly had a dig about them dragging their heels about broadband and she just lost it! "Are you one of these complaining people who demand something for nothing? BT are the best telecoms company in the world. We have hundreds of thousands of very happy ADSL users" etc. Obviously hit a raw nerve and it shows that they are aware of their negative image but as end users we like it or lump it.

The cable companies have no plans to move into my area. I can sit around and use 56k and hope my local exchange is ADSL-enabled but I honestly think I'd still be waiting this time next year. So it's ISDN for me and BT sit back and laugh there arses off and count the money.

Oooh. Feel better now. :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
nemo
16:08 17/8/2001
i feel sick [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
n00beh
16:32 17/8/2001
If only cable were available in my area..I wouldn't have to spend 30 quid a day at the playing fields..

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Marble
16:44 17/8/2001
Cheers for a wicked article.
I look forward to cable coming out in my area.
I'm looking out for more articles a good read m8 cheers :¬;)

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Bobsi
17:02 17/8/2001
Good article, but I am somewhat confused by the ping "numbers".

I have ADSL connection and I am from Israel. As you can guess, except few good servers here in Israel, there is nothing else in the close area and naturally most of the time I am playing on different European servers, including UK.
I am getting ping of 150-200 on most of them and I never felt any kind of disadvantage. If I am catching a good day, I have 3 to 1 kill ratio. I even can perform quite well with artic in spite the "high" ping.

And I've never noticed any difference between playing on Israeli servers with 40-50 ping or European servers with 150-200 ping.

Do I miss something here? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
BLaDeZ
19:04 17/8/2001
nemo sucks ass [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DaPhoenix
19:04 17/8/2001
I agree that the statistics in UK seems to be pretty poor, but: coming with all the percentages you forget one thing: the UK population is far greater than the one in Sweden or any of the other Scandinavian countries. Maybe there's still a lot more LPBs in Sweden than UK. But if UK is so good then they should perform a lot better at LAN events such as CPL. You even had the last CPL at your home-pitch, London.

Don't get me wrong, I pitty all 56kers. I am one too and know what you mean when you are talking about crashes, drops etcetera. But the thing is: you've still got great players in the UK without whining about you not being the best due to your connections. If we are to compare eachothers situations and chances to become one the great we could go on forever. Population, economy (who can afford the best hardware) and so on.

End I'll end this comment with a big smile for an interesting article: =] [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
UK Bloke
19:09 17/8/2001
Thought I would comment on this, I've played online gaming right from the start in the UK, and no matter what game you look at, the UK has always had FAR less top skilled players than countries like sweden/germany. Back in the Q1 days, when our best went and played european clans, we got hammered. Cant blame this on connection either, cos it was the same at lans when the UK team played.

Why it is we have less highly skilled players ?? I dont think there is one answer to this, but things like the (un)availability of broadband doesn't help, as you pointed out above, and also the fact we are a smaller country compared with say Germany, which means we are going to have less online gamers.

Maybe one day we will catch up in the skill department, but its not gonna happen for some time yet.... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[X].Rogue
19:10 17/8/2001
It's the first time to come here and see al the uk CS friends.
I'd like to say that the poor connection in this game causes seriously problem then everyone thinks. Yes we have to calculate the 'pre-movement' for the target when we shoot, but every shooting game does like this - however, beside this, CS' much more concerned to the connection lag.
Not like Quake3 or other game, when you get gun shot in this game, you cannot move (or move slowly), it's hardly to doge bullets after you got the first bullet in your body. That is to say, 200 ms delay could let your enemy fire at you before you have any reactions, then, because you cannot move as you expect, you are much easier be continuriously fired at untill dead.
Secondly, the lag makes people shoot at teammates. Once I saw a teammate (he had only 10hp or something)ran to me, an enemy suddenly appeared after him. Of course I shot at that tail-biter but unfortunately my teammate just 'teleported' to my front side after I bursted the fire. I got him shot and he dead. Then, I was warned because I TKed this guy. Actually, at the server side, that poor teammate was just infront of me when I firing but I couldn't see him until 1/6 second later because at that time my ping was 343ms.
On the other hand, I don't know why but in hatfield, hertfordshire, BT landline only gives me 37,333 kbps connection via my 56k modem, sometimes the screen freezes when I playing the game, and I find I dead right after I come back from toilet!
At last I'd like to mention: In my home city Shenzhen/China, to install a 176kbps ADSL in you rown house costs about 17.5 Pounds; with the monthly rental fee of another 17.5 quids, the internet is totally free at anytime. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
OmniStalker
20:19 17/8/2001
I live in america but i was interested in the article. I run with a 56k modem. I only have 1 problem with 56k, lag spikes. Most of the time my game will never slow down but on a bad isp night my lag will jump too much. god i hate that. Nothing better then about to snipe a person and then your game stops and you look blankly at your screen waiting to see what happened. When it begins again you hear the death noise and your lying on the ground. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Nak
22:56 17/8/2001
The sooner some other company buys all the lines off of BT the better... last i heard they offered BT a few billions for 'em.... and bt need the f***ing money worthless s***e-meisters!!!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Barra
01:38 18/8/2001
hmmmmm well i live in rep.ireland and we have it the 'worst' there is NO flat rate internet here , not even on 56k , our fone comp Eircom are dragging there feet over DSL and u can be sure it will be priced sky high and the exchanges wont be upgraded in any hurry

we r in a right state [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
yun
07:01 18/8/2001
I live in sweden and I've had broadband access for about 1½ years now (yes I know lucky me). Got 10mbit optic fibre then in the winter 2000, then i had to move one year later. And thank god they had ADSL where i moved. I guess I'm quite lucky and feel sorry for you U.K dudes. And I'm pretty sure there are skilled people everywhere, just the fact that connection and TIME is essential for success. Cuz you have to practise like a madman to get good at whatever you're doing (for instance playing CS). [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Darth (fourkings)
07:26 18/8/2001
Oddly I think this is not totally the truth cause skills are FAR more important, me and liq and oppie like playing on servers like the zkillz of wrath were rop scandinavian players are on most of the time (excousia, z, geekboys etc..) all being lpb`s we got like sky high pings there and liq and me are both on ISDN, and we still can get our frags altho yes ping makes a differance but this nothing compared to real player quality`s a.k.a. skills.

my $0.02 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
USA cs player
10:50 18/8/2001
If ping is such a factor why not attend euro cs lan tournys if you really wanna prove your point [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[B.B]SaT
10:57 18/8/2001
I was a 56k'er untill approx 6-8 months ago when i got blessed with ADSL (:
I live Sweden and we pay per min on our dial-ups and I couldn't afford ISDN, so playing on the Swedish servers where there only was LPB's was kinda crap with my crap dial-up (180-220ms), I felt like the last HPB in the world. But I thought CS was so fun and I didn't play it in a competive way back then so I didn't sit a whine about the lag everytime a LPB killed me. I just got damn good with my 56k after a while. or was it just that I realised that many of the LPB's didn't really have any skills, just a helluva lot better connection than me. And when the new netcode came it was a sent from above to me. Now i didn't have to predict moves the same way I was used to, I finally had a decent chance to take on LBS' (altho' it wasn't enough). It was rather amusing to see the LBS flame you every time you killed them cuz that was impossible, they had the skills and the ping they said. I was clearly a cheat in their eyes, I showed them what many other ppl did; aim and skill (don't take me wrong, i know there's lots of skilled LPBs ok?), but they still had the advantage on me so against a player with equal skill and low ping I had a really hard time to hang on, but I NEVER gave up (;

Gah! this post is geting too long now (:
I know there's lots of skilled HPB's that hopefuly some day can get a decent connection and play against other LPB's. 56k is ok if you're not into the game and just playing for fun, that worked for me since Doom [:
Heck you even played on US server with a 400ish ping back then, just cuz you didn't care about the ping, you was just playing to have some fun and not to whine about how poor your connection is, how much you lag, your soooo crazy packetloss..etc
In my eyes most ppl take this game too serious, and that takes out the fun of the game sometimes, especially when you or your clanmates get flamed for cheating just cuz I/they're more skilled or had a bit of luck on just that server.

bah, that's all from me for now. I hope more skilled clans in UK can pop out in a near future.
gl & hf [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
:)
11:49 18/8/2001
Yes but i cant stand being netcoded by HPBS when you just wanna sit back from a hard clanmatch you just had ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ibbeh
17:13 18/8/2001
i played cs on a dsl connection whilst on holiday in canada, and had the best games of my life. it was the biggest proof to me yet that the ping has an enormous influence on your score. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
hmhm
17:14 18/8/2001
Soon 98 percent of the swedish households will have the ABILITY to install broadband if they wish to. Sweden will stay ahead in gaming for many years ^_^ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Dogs_Pods
00:10 19/8/2001
connection? modem? cs? me not know strange voodoo. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Happy Bastard
01:32 19/8/2001
56ks are frustrating as hell. Low-ping newbies who have obviously never lived without their 2mb cable connection constantly call me a newbie for complaing about my ping. Its a pain in the ass dying when u know that u woulda lived if it weren't for those damned 250 mili-seconds in which you WOULD have gotten that last shot. But instead your oponent runs off with 8 HP, or even 100, depending on how fast each of the players are.
The other thing that causes a lot of grief is being shot at. I lived for a long time thinking that when u got shot by bullets in CS that your screen was supposed to shacke around and that u were supposed to be pulled out into the open. It wasn't until a few months ago that i found out if i had a cable modem, i would just move slow when being shot at. With the 56k the jerkiness of trying to move while being shot makes it nearly impossible to counter-attack.
Also, its annoying when u die after u had seemingly jumped behind the wall for cover, only to realize that u had died before u made it to the wall, but the server hadn't let ur computer know that.



I want cable :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Nigel Pitchers
01:54 19/8/2001
i play on a 33.3 modem and it is fine [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DC
18:02 19/8/2001
Great article... Let's hope BT get their act together with this RADSL business.

For all those who haven't got braodband yet and wanna cap' them lpb's on a phat connection, then stroll on down to your nearest Lanarena for some broadband ownage. We have 6 venues across the country, Bristol, London, Maidenhead, Leicester, Newcastle, Nottingham. All venues have 512k leased lines... now these beasts will get you a 10-20 ping on a fast UK server, now that is serious ownage. It's worth coming down just to check out how much of a difference it is in comparrison to 56k play.

For more info checkout www.lanarena.net [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SWE.Yussuf
19:40 19/8/2001
An interesting article.
I didnt know the broadband situation in UK was that bad. I feel lucky to live in Sweden where its quite common with 10mbit fibre. And (almost) every student dorm has 10mbit connection through the Swedish University Network (SUNET).
Adsl is expanding rapidly too. And cable is somewhat common. Only problem is that the broadband company who installs and owns the majority of the 10mbit connections are rapidly running out of cash :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Blitz
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UKTerrorist
23:18 19/8/2001
DC, how about a LANARENA in Edinburgh? ;)

Guy above....UK's big company are called BT, I doubt they'll ever run out of money....they're money grabbin b*stards!!!

*ahem* I'm back... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
XceeD
23:32 19/8/2001
Blitz last I heard BT were running up a few debts themselves and owe a few million. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Blitz
Editor
UKTerrorist
09:42 20/8/2001
lol dunno actually m8, but still.....theyre money grabbing cows ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
merlin
10:02 20/8/2001
I fell for you guys!
i mean i live in the US in a verry small town and i have a choice of: DSL (from 3 telco's) Fiber 10mb connection, cable, and satalite. all resonably priced.
i oppted for the 2mb down 512 up dsl costs me about $70 american a month [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ice[UK2]
20:40 20/8/2001
Yes, and how about a LanArena in Scotland.
The high speed sounds tempting, but since I stay in a rural location near Edinburgh, the only option would be to take a day trip down to Newcastle (metro centre right?). Train from Waverly, bus to Metro Centre.

Ah, yes. I had an ADSL test the other day. I had my hopes up for 15 worthless days. On the 13th, an Engineer turned up to do the 'Whoosh' test, to see if the line was suitable. It had to be less than 3.5km long from the exchange (Eskbank, Midlothian). It wasn't. So the guy clears off and im left with my 300+ ping. Pants.

Im off to Sweden.... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
.Xi
10:41 21/8/2001
ooOooh, good interesting words from every1, pretty good UKTerrorist, nice little CS community here as opposed to the official Counter-Strike forums. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
[Rule UK2.NET]swank2
10:42 21/8/2001
Its not all bad for us 56k ers...

I have a 56K modem and live in the midle of know where and get conection of about 28.8 to 39 kbps and on days where i can get a ping of 200 on a uk server i do pritty well. The point is i am so used to 56k that when i had a go on my mates bord band i realy did kick some CT ASS 43 kills befor i was killed and that is good. so as more 56k ers go over to brod band the UK clans will get better. Phone companys whant a kick up the ass coz i have money to spair but coz of wher i live all i can gett is slow ass 56k and line dont ever suport v90 let alown v92 :( .....
[Rule UK2.NET]Sw**k2001 aka MATTHEW SLACK... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Blitz
Editor
UKTerrorist
11:01 21/8/2001
Hey Ice.....you're from Eskbank/Dalkeith? I live 10-15 mins from there :)

hehe .xi, lovely little community indeed. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
.Xi
10:03 22/8/2001
oh, and about the article -
I agree that 56K-ers are definately at a disadvantage, especially those that get loads of packet loss too. A LPB V. HPB will be biased towards LPBs so much that it'll be pretty difficult for the HPBs to win. Anyway Blitz, I think you know that from when you played us :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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