UKTerrorist
Posted by ryano at 21:27 14/4/2002.
Stuart 'lil' Harriman has joined Infinity-esports it can be revealed today. After various talks and negotiations, as well as a lot of speculation, the UK national team player has officially joined. I caught up with lil as the news broke and got his version of the move, which comes in line with a succesion of big name moves (toomy, stinky and ajam all going to nocturne).Deean: First and foremost Congratuations,could you tell me when was this move decided?It seems clan politics are stronger than ever now with i-es responding to the recent moves by nocturne. It only spells for much stronger UK teams and hopefully we can see some real challenges from a UK perspective on and offline.Lil: About a month ago when ui were breaking and I was starting up within ecore I held a few talks with i-es. I was interested in join the UK #1 clan as I want to take a step up in the seriousness of my gaming, so with i10 being the perfect 4 day trial it went from there really.
Deean: When can we expect to see you with the i-es tag on?
Lil: As soon as possible really. I should hopefully be playing with the i-es boys just after euro cup officially, maybe before :)
Deean: Well from UKT we wish you the best of luck
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UKTerrorist
21:30 14/4/2002
pld lil :D
gluck ies [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
theb0g
21:34 14/4/2002
:P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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This will ies a much stronger team. Now if only the top players from IES and Nocturne would merge :) Then you got yourself a mega team. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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calibre
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calibre
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calibre
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eeek? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Infinity-eSports
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22:43 14/4/2002
gl fag...
Oh and why has oppie left ? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
22:53 14/4/2002
calibre
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Croydon
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Moosh
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calibre
23:53 14/4/2002
anyway GL to lil, now he'll get to own europe not just uk [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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as regards to proc yeh i have to say uk scene sux penii atm. 2 good clans left really :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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00:26 15/4/2002
Ok heres why it sucks. noc and 4k have been the top two UK clans for over a year now. The only clan that has gotten to first place albeit for a very short space of time has been Ui. Now that took us about 7 months from starting out until the few weeks after lan arena. Now from start to finish, our lineup barely changed.
So why did it take 7 months? Simply because every man and his dog hindered us along the way. With that I mean that most UK thats we wanted to practice against refused on grounds that they didn't trust us (not mentioning any clans). Therefore we had to play european games to get teamplay and tactics up to be able to challenge noc and 4k. Unfortunately most european clans tend not to want to play UK clans with no reputation.
UK clans would just hassle Ui beyond belief. The impression we got from other UK clans was that if they coudln't beat us by playing better, they'd give us such a bad reputation that no one would trust us, and no one would play us. Spose its one way to get better than another clan. It seems people can't accept that people/clans can't be good unless they are well heard of. Pretty good examples, well just two I know of, are clan ONE, and a player Hys|Makaveli. Clan ONE looked to have some good skills, but whenever I asked anyone about them, everyone called them "dodgy f***s" or somin similar. Has there been any evidence they cheated? I haven't seen any anyway. There reputation was even worse than Ui's was at any one time, and because of this they folded before they had the chance to get good as I'm sure they would have. Onto Makaveli, don't ask why I picked him, he sticks out in my memory. I played Makaveli once in a server, and he played amazingly well. I wonid scanned him to wonder who it was, as I suspected it would probably be someone good I knew, but I didn't know this person. So I asked around, and was told by a couple people that he's another "dodgy f***." Again I haven't seen anything to suggest he cheats, but who needs it?
It seems its very hard for a lot of people to take unknowns being better than them, so they call them cheats to make themselves appear better.
Anyway funnily enough it was noc and 4k that didn't give us any hassle at all. They were the reason we got good (ironic really). The pcw's we had with them gave us the best practice, and was the reason we got to the top eventually.
So now we are in a state where noc and 4k are the only two good clans in the UK, and are going to be for quite a long time. For sure you can make a team who will beat either of them from players lower down the scene, I mean Ui suceeded didn't they? But I doubt it will happen again. The scene is too cruel to allow good players and clans to emerge. The abuse they receive makes them quit or do something else, or not fulfil their potencial.
Finally, does this happen in other countries? Well the answer is sure to be YES and NO. The scandinavian countries like to seek out new talent, thereby allowing lots of new clans to form, and great new players to emerge. The middle european countries are less like that, and more like the UK, but the truth is that we are the worst at this, which possibly shows why we have no good opencup/eurocup clans, and our UK team hasn't done well.
This is why its bad, why we are bad as a Nation, why it will continue, and why I'm getting out of the UK scene.
With this i shall disappear, never to return? >8[] [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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This isnt completely true, I dont think noc ever finished a pcw with us online (i could be wrong). [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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GL lil [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
calibre
00:59 15/4/2002
there are no clans in the UK that will regularly beat noc and 4k now either
that bassicly means that either the existing clans need new good players, or the best players from clans that arn't as good 4k + noc will need to form their own clan
the former won't happen because no one supports new good players, they are disregarded as cheats. the latter could happen (Uninspired) but is unlikely as i doubt many ppl would of put up with the endless s*** we entailed. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
theb0g
01:05 15/4/2002
I see it everywhere tbh, a lot of players see the UK cs scene as static, the good clans are good, the good players are good, and anything that changes that, such as a new face kicking arse all over the shop, gets condemned as 'dodgy'.
Being fair, its the game itself that creates these situations. I know of no pastime that has a comparable situation with the widespread availability of cheating techniques, and the associated problems of rule enforcement. You either trust everyone, or noone. And I don't know many people who would trust everyone :)
However, lan play helps restore a clans reputation in this situation, so I would say this:
If you come up against a clan or player that you have heard next to nothing about, or have heard the usual 'ffs they're dodgy as f***', I say trust them. Play the game, support them, and help them reach the level of lan play if they're THAT good.
Take lil for example. 90% of the UK scene thought he cheated, for at least 6 months. Then he nips off to lans, kicks everyone around a bit, and suddenly everyones looking a bit stupid.
Sure, if you trust everyone you're going to get stung by cheats every now and then, but thats what you get with online play. Sucks, but thats the way it is.
Of course the other way to deal with these uber new faces is just recruit them. Cunning, no? :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
meatyballs
01:06 15/4/2002
Game2XS.Monkey Magic
01:24 15/4/2002
Also iron yur pretty funny. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Clan ONE
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Also, gl to Lil, one of the more sporting people I met on my trips to London at Lanarena. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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calibre
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12:22 15/4/2002
Some hilarious spelling mistakes makes on believe it's zac but most of it actually makes sense so it could be proc.. HMM [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
12:50 15/4/2002
ui did have players who were suspected of cheats or even caught with cheats. (AnNuM and lil, and don't flame me arguing with the so called excuses cos we heard em all before. they probably don't cheat now but anyway that's not the point.)
Like numbers, you started off wicked and everything. When you started to get good, you got the usual flames of being cheats, but.. you guys didn't do much to help yourselves. You argued constantly back how you weren't and how that person was a lamer and all that.
I remember countless reports of clans calling b***h and noc cheats, but hardly ever saw them replying..
Basically, one person calls you a cheat, you call him a lamer and think nothing of it. He then gets his clan to speak out against you and soon you have a whole argument going on. In the end, people don't care if you cheat, they're just using that negative rumor as a weapon against you and everyone begins to latch onto that as you do improve in the scene.
Much like AnNuM really. Sure he's been suspected, even caught I guess (ugh) but never 100% proved. Yet he continues to act like a dick to people and gets that rumor used against him.
PS: The problem with the UK scene, or at least one of them is just like every other cs scene. It's the amount of arrogance.
New clans form with a lot of potential and decent players, they own some clans over a couple of weeks or even months who aren't really any good and feel they can take on the best. They take on the best, lose and then end up folding. A few weeks later, a repetition of that. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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13:06 15/4/2002
clan one are teh sex0r
and teh fonz owns us all
woz ere 2k2 in ya face [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
13:10 15/4/2002
In regards to Makaveli:
I've seen too many players like him to be honest.
Personally speaking, yeah he is dodgy as f*ck.
Players like that don't enter the scene in 1.0, improve as rapidly as that and continue to stay in clans hugely below their 'skill' level.
I'm not a UK champ at CS, but a few months after I started CS I elevated in the scene to clans like UCO, H&D, CSC7.
I don't think it's entirely accurate to say clans like noc/ies/dnc see new skilled players and just get jealous in which they refute their skill and disregard them as cheaters in order to make them quit the scene.
What I do think is that someone new enters the scene, improves at an impossible rate and is just meant to be considered amazing? Yet still continues to avoid lans, not get involved with the community and not attempt to join a clan up to his level, like most of the better players want.
I actually got that opinion from CSA a long time ago and what the situation can be looked at on 'new' players.
One example would be #4 I guess.. aka Aims.
Basically sucks donkey in Numbers, figures he's an alias and a new player to the community. So he begins to cheat and uses the argument that he's just new and better than the rest.
(note: his name before aims was [HIV]NIO ..and how good was he then?)
After numbers die, where does he go then?
I mean most of Numbers argued that he is one of the best players in europe and certainly in UK, yet he doesn't even join even a half way respectable clan?
Just hangs out in s*** clanwhore clans that die after a week?
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13:25 15/4/2002
Now i just need a good clan to join :> [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
13:28 15/4/2002
landshark dont try and play the innocent and blame ppl for not giving ui a fair go cheats dont deserve a fair chance.
oh ya lil careful not to caught with your hacks on while trialing for 4k like you did when you were trialing for numbers. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
13:31 15/4/2002
The fact that people can accuse with new cd runnin on the server just goes to show how bad the whole cheating paranoia has gone. I think more peeps should read UKT then they might realise how dumb they are with accusations; or play good clans all the time :> [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
13:32 15/4/2002
Also to your comment about Aims, I also know him being in the last 2 clans with him. Hes pretty inactive atm and was in a good clan, SiN. SiN had the abillity to go to high levels imo with some impressive wins over clans such as Mendax? and when first entering the scene having successive pcws vs highly rated clans. I remember a game vs ProZac where we got pretty badly beaten, 18-6 or similar with our first time on train, ask KhAoS if you will but Aims was amazing that game like several others proving he still can compete with the best and i'd agree with him being a top player. The clan did fold after a while when they were getting good due to the s*** around the cs community, experiencing similar things to ui through the guys we played, 3 of our core team got fed up with the cs community and quit the game leaving us with no squad. This post relates to a lot of the above comments about the uk cs scene and SuperNick's comments about Makavelli/Aims.
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On a dif note, surely having lil in I-eS is going to limit the UK teams strength with only fielding 2 from a clan each game(/at a time?). Nvm though, GL to lil and I-eS. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
13:35 15/4/2002
meatyballs
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Dead or Alive, you're coming with me. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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"One example would be #4 I guess.. aka Aims.
Basically sucks donkey in Numbers, figures he's an alias and a new player to the community. So he begins to cheat and uses the argument that he's just new and better than the rest.
(note: his name before aims was [HIV]NIO ..and how good was he then?)"
This proves you know jack s***, my clan played [HIV] in June 2000, Clan.E. Basicly he carried his whole team and was for sure one of the Top 5 UK players I saw that summer and none of us suspected him of cheating then, infact it didn't even come into our mind. (We still raped them btw +)). [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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secondly, mr nice guy was probably the best HIV player, and I did actually think he had good skill.
but anyhoo, bring on the irrelevant flames about why aims is one of the best players in europe ..yet continues to stay way down in the scene, of course. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
13:59 15/4/2002
He was Top 5 UK. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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14:01 15/4/2002
A name would be nice, seeing as not using a name basically means you don't hold any confidence in what you say. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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the point he turned amazing was when he changed name to #11 or #12 (or changed from #11 to #4) i cant remember. it was the game vs 4k where he topped by like 20 more frags, in which even 4k had their suspicions. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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It is paranoia (dont care if its spelt wrong
Yes lil was caught cheating, and personally i wouldnt touch his arrogant c**ky ass with a bargepole. It is interesting that a clan would recruit a proven cheat, they must trust that he no longer does. That is fine with me, good luck to them. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
14:43 15/4/2002
yes Clan ONE are not dead and we are after some decent pcws :> [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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15:04 15/4/2002
your opinion on a player is not relevant to what you know about the scene.. i mean come on, you've either seen the bloke or you haven't, no in betweens.
Just because my opinion is that he was a pretty bad player in HIV (i played with csc7 vs HIV) does not really make me ignorant to "the cs scene". [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
15:09 15/4/2002
[22:24] *** o0][-Styla- (~DSAFSA@212.56.93.50) has joined #ti-team
[22:24] *** Xplos1ve sets mode: +v o0][-Styla-
[22:24] *** hespiesbanhim is now known as uwereinonmydik
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> omfg
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> will U f*** OFF
[22:25] <Smurfl0r> nah, your mommas dick
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> WE f***ING RAPOED U
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> U f***ING SUCK
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> JESUS
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> CHRIST
[22:25] <TJ> ?
[22:25] <slick> lol
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> u dont honestly think u can even coem close
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> to drawing with us
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> do u?
[22:25] <Xplos1ve> ahhhhhh i c
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> WE RUSHED U WITH MAC 10S
[22:25] <MoOmOoCoW> lol
[22:25] <Xplos1ve> death causing trouble?
[22:25] *** uwereinonmydik is now known as FUSTYLA
[22:25] <slick> wtf he on?
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> AND URE MOUTHING OFF..
[22:25] <Smurfl0r> lol
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> TO PEOPLE
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> LIKE U BEAT US??
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> ROFLMAO
[22:25] <Xplos1ve> styla.......
[22:25] <slick> erm lol styla
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> FIRST OF ALL
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> WE STILL WON
[22:25] <Smurfl0r> can MD go 2 mins without mouthing off at someone
[22:25] <Smurfl0r> ??
[22:25] <TJ> ur caps is on
[22:25] <slick> stop and listen
[22:25] <slick> ROFL
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> ...
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> dire .
[22:25] <o0][-Styla-> truly dire.
[22:25] <MoOmOoCoW> stop spunking in caps lock
[22:25] *** o0][-Styla- (~DSAFSA@212.56.93.50) has left #ti-team
LOL, firstly we don't really give a damn if we win or lose tbh, secondly it shows how sad some pple are that they take cs too seriously, and then to top it all off he said that he was gonna ban me from 30 irc rooms, LMAO! Please don't ban me styla, i'm on my knees begging!!!
Dire.
Truly dire. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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Most new top clans play like 10 or so games, win em all, and think their invincible, and when they come to lose and get beaten by a better team its a shock to the system and so they just break up and fold.
Reason why clans like UKLA have been around for ages is that once we lose we dont really think about foldin, but just goto the next game thinking about how we can improve.
I have to say there r times when i thought that ukla wouldnt work out to be a top team in the UK coz we're all lazy f***ers
Once we got thru the phase on inactivity I think that we're decent enuff to face any clan in UK and give oursevles a fighting chance. Ofcourse we're not up to i-es/noc quality yet but i reckon the players that have stuck with UKLA for so long and turned down offers from bigger clans r the ones that we need to challenge them.
I dont care what anyone thinks of UKLA personally, but ppl like elem, pathfinder, mani deserve credit for bein so loyal to one clan for years and givin it a chance to compete with the best, which imho is whats missing atm in UK clans. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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