BWCSL Mini Report & Predictions

Posted by Ripper at 12:18 4/10/2002.

Instead of doing an article I though I'd write a column focusing on who will finish the season triumphant in each division. Division's 1, 2 CO and 2 MR12 are done in detail while each other division is touched upon. Here's a snippet:
"As for relegation, it seems pretty obvious who the unlucky clans are this season. VETS, NS and SA have only managed to amount 2 points thus far, and along with Ne.uk (who pulled themselves out of the division a few weeks ago), will take up the 4 relegation slots in my opinion."
Check out the column here.

Comments

l3ig2
12:29 4/10/2002
well poor #O:i in div4 MR12 division, we got put in that n00b division coz some clan quit just before the season started. We thought it would be a good idea to join so basically got through the door of BW now, hopefully if we speak to some admins we will be allowed to hop div3 and play in div2 showing our worth and eventually become div1 clan.

Its annoying having to play these clans in div4 and i expect div3 not gunna be much difference, sometimes our players cant even be bothered playing we play clans 4 v 5 and yet still white wash them lol.

Vote for us and support us plz and hopefully we can go into div2 next season! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ripper
Rush!
12:31 4/10/2002
erm, just be happy u were let into the league ahead of so many others. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
l3ig2
12:37 4/10/2002
True but i think its worth a lot more putting a pretty highly skilled clan into the system rather than some poorly skilled div4 clan (hehe yes we are div4 :/)

it so boring at the moment, we need at least 1 challenging match! lol [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Messiah
Game2XS.Monkey Magic
12:40 4/10/2002
SK|I3ig2 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
t0m
12:40 4/10/2002
if only i cared [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ripper
Rush!
12:41 4/10/2002
you must realise how arrogant you're coming across? O:i were late entrants, that means you fill up an empty slot in a division. Were BWCSL meant to tell a division 2 clan that they were no longer in division 2 because O:i wanted their spot? doubt it.

Quit it with the "we're 1337 and too good for this league" lark, I have a list of so many clans who thought they were too good for some divisions and then were unable to compete when it came down to it.

Sure, O:i are good, but you're not gonna get very far with an attitude like that. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
l3ig2
12:45 4/10/2002
im not arrogant, infact im very pleased to the fact we are finally into BWCSL coz its such a good league and for a long time i as a player have wanted to play in this league.

We knew for a fact that we would have to play div4 becoz of the clan dropout which then gave us the oppurtunity to play and win and slowly progress through the leagues.

But there has been talk and we have heard of some clans in the past skipping a league, which would be nice but would come of not great shock if we were not allowed too. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DeF
12:45 4/10/2002
Just goes to show how many clans (including us)
rely on the "main" cs maps....de_piranesi anyone? lol.
oh yeah and we thought all matches were cancelled last week due to wcg, doh!
well we dont have a chance to win anymore so gl to the top 3 in the table and we'll be back with a vengeance next season :D. for now lets hope we dont get relegated ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DeF
12:49 4/10/2002
and l3ig2, we got put in div 3 last season, I think cos someone dropped out, and it wasnt exactly exciting. You can't really expect to put in a higher division unless someone drops out of it, so i guess the only option was for u guys to go in div 4. gl anyway [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Loxam
Lite
12:49 4/10/2002
Nice review, still can't understand why some clans moan about being placed in a low division, as ripper said be thankful you are in BWCSL, its one of the best UK leagues.

Hopefully kensai will keep up our record.

P.S. Scrap Pirigay, we drew on that, nearly won 3 more seconds and we would of, but gg to CSH. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
BaroN
2seXeh 2perfoRm
13:00 4/10/2002
well us "relic.cs" are just happy to be in the league being 2 on the reserve list the season for a div 1 to 2 spot! jumped at the chance to get in amongest it, and being to c**ky cost us the div 3w title to pukai! damm dust :[ but as ripper predicted we r just about certain of runners up and promotion to div 2 along with SODA it seems who also grabbed a spot "lower" down than we hoped :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
mav
masters 0f ownage
13:02 4/10/2002
Indeed it is a good clan, and SFAL too are thankful for being chosen to replace beef in division 3.

nice report ripper, gl to all clans fighting for a top spot. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
sol
13:08 4/10/2002
l3ig2, we (6K) started in div3. Worked our selves up to div1 as well. If u really deserve to play in div1 u should work yourself up the ranks and win 2 seasons in a row. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hates_
13:28 4/10/2002
It's so much more fun working your way up the tables. I love you all! I'm so happy, I'm so happy! Woot Woot Woot! Rogue and Ripper are great guys! I love you all!!! Woot Woot Woot!!!

(Really I'm just happy as I just got Hitman 2 after months of waiting!) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Rogue1
13:32 4/10/2002
I do occasionally bump a clan up two divisions at the end of a season if I think their result merits it. If you're looking for examples, see SO19, who went from division 3 to division 1 after season 2 (although that decision was made by my predecessor, bigfoot) and MSH, who went from division 4 to division 2 after season 3. However, I can never make firm promises that I will be able to do this, given that spaces in division 1 and division 2 are so heavily contested. Basically, when deciding on division assignments for continuing-clans, the order I have to consider things in is as follows.

1) The "rigid" results of last season. This means that I have to offer promotion to clans who deserve it and I have to keep clans who didn't win it and didn't get relegated in the same division.

2) Requests to over-ride relegation. We get a couple of these, although I'm normally only sympathetic to requests for this from divisions 1 and 2, where 4 relegation slots per division is perhaps somewhat harsh. If there was a closely fought battle to avoid the last relegation slot, it's sometimes appropriate to keep the losing clan up. We generally see 2 or 3 instances of this per season.

3) Requests for promotion from clans who narrowly missed out on it. These tend to be limited to the division 2/3 borderline. Occasionally, a division will have three clans who stand out clearly from the rest of the division. In some cases, if the third placed clan requests promotion, I will consider it. This would be dependant upon them having lost to the two clans who gain promotion by a small margin and having beaten the other clans in their division by a huge margin. I get a lot of requests for this, most of which I have to decline.

4) Requests from promoted clans to skip a division. This is why O:i were hinting at and while it's not unknown, it's very rare. In order for me to even consider this request, a clan will have had to beat all of their opponents by an absolutely huge margin.

As you can see, these factors place a very, very high demand on places in divisions 1 and 2. In addition, it is only after all of these have been taken into account that I can consider adding "new" clans to fill the vacant slots. The matter is not helped by clans who, as Ripper noted, tend to overstate their own skill or underestimate the skill level of division 3 somewhat. Certainly, at least two of the clans I denied promotion requests to division 2 at the start of this season are currently managing only an average record in division 3.

In short, while there are many clans in BWCSL I would like to place in divisions 1 and 2 and who I will be happy enough to hear requests from, I ask people to remember that there are plenty of factors while may force me to say no to requests. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
l3ig2
13:54 4/10/2002
fair enough report there rogue, suppose we will just have to prove the point and work our way up just liked 6K as sol said.

We dont mind, but div2 would be nice lol :)

is there a rough start date for the next season yet? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Bigbirdy
14:00 4/10/2002
ripper your title should be bwcsl league reporter :P oh and willkommen aus i-es/bwcsl.com [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Pski
14:03 4/10/2002
I disagree. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Obi
Clan ONE
14:06 4/10/2002
rob the pie man, quit ur whinging :DDD [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hates_
14:07 4/10/2002
gimme gimme gimme pie! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ripper
Rush!
14:12 4/10/2002
R1 you're such a ukt comment whore nowadays ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
l3ig2
Game2XS
14:12 4/10/2002
plzzz Graham Gay come smbs :)

i eat more pizza than pie now! i saw wot the pies have done to aaron and stopped eating them, he a rite fat b****** now! lol [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Mathieu
14:13 4/10/2002
Let O:i in division 2, they are good, they just aint aswell known as one would expect [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Mathieu
14:15 4/10/2002
Rob you own man and arron is fat + cute :> o/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hates_
14:26 4/10/2002
Wont let out clan jump to division 2?!? Next you'll be telling me I can't merc players from well known clans! Sheesh.... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ripper
Rush!
14:34 4/10/2002
if anyone here is an mpuk admin tell the f***ers to turn the answer machine off so i can pay for i14 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hates_
14:44 4/10/2002
OMG I'm gonna kick your shins @ i14 :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ripper
Rush!
14:47 4/10/2002
Just bring it..

(hides behind the pod people) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
sol
14:48 4/10/2002
join the que hates [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ripper
Rush!
14:50 4/10/2002
sigh, best go buy some sondico's :o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
sol
14:50 4/10/2002
wassat ? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ripper
Rush!
14:53 4/10/2002
sondico = 1337 shin-pad manufactorer [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
teamx
14:56 4/10/2002
nice write up ripper, shame rogues stopped the action-nation round-up, i used to look forward to that :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hates_
15:28 4/10/2002
LOL @ Ripper [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
LordOfBlood
18:59 4/10/2002
Any plans to expand the size of divisions Rogue1 ? I mean if so many clans are wanting to join maybe adding another 2 clans per division would be a good idea o_O

Obviously map rotation could then be a prob ;) But some maps can be played twice (not aztec tho as its a really really poor map one of the worst in CS wtf is it so popular ?) like nuke/prod/d2 ?

Also de_clan2_fire is a great map and i hope every division will get to play it next season :))

GJ Rogue1

LoB [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Zahc
19:05 4/10/2002
l3ig2 div 4 owns. Well, compared to clanbase and numerous other leagues anyway. U were just lucky u pld us on Dust :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
funky
20:01 4/10/2002
TheMarines can challenge anyone in 3S [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Grom-
13:01 5/10/2002
I remember unison thought they were too good for div2

We beat them 13-3 and we weren't particularly good then; they folded straight afterwards.

That was funny. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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