CS Hitboxes - Weird? - UKTerrorist

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	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 18:17 9/2/2003	I get that a lot, especially vs teammates [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	adrenalin 18:21 9/2/2003	and i just thought it was my isdn =] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	FreeZe BLACKLiGHT 18:28 9/2/2003	I think if u get it exactly on the ear... it goes out the otherside. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kimble BLACKLiGHT 18:29 9/2/2003	Yeah I get that when shooting my clan mates. Brainless muppets...:P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 18:32 9/2/2003	Thats not the only hitbox bug in 1.5, theres at least 2 others but id rather not tell everyone otherwise people will EXPLOIT them. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	JediBitch fightclubclan 18:32 9/2/2003	i thought everyone knew about that...when ur firing at some1's head from the side and slightly behind u need to aim above the spine,kinda behind the head :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	TeppuM Online Multiplayer Gaming 18:35 9/2/2003	why bother [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 18:36 9/2/2003	That bug is particularly gay because the person youre shooting at doesnt have to do anything, and if you shoot their head you never know if your bullets are going astray or theyre just going right through.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	arsen Head Arse UKTerrorist 18:37 9/2/2003	Would it be the same vs enemies? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 18:38 9/2/2003	Yes...i dont quite know what happened, i dont recall any of these hitbox bugs in 1.3 when they fixed them, so basically since 1.3 - 1.5 these bugs have crept in, lets just hope valve know about all of them so they can be fixed for 1.6. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 18:40 9/2/2003	Also i think that bug only really affects the glock, ive never had it happen with any other gun... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NoToRiOuS 2 COOL 4 SKOOL UKTerrorist 18:47 9/2/2003	thats the first i seen of it.. i always wondered why sometimes bullets seem to go through ppl... only glock u say iron? ne1 try with a diff gun? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 18:48 9/2/2003	i get that with all guns, it just shows up the most when tw'ing/tk'ing coz ur close up and its obvious to see instead of trying to spot it at range shooting the other team, theres also a very gay hitbox bug which toomy knows about to do with awp i think it is which makes u impossible to hit at all [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 18:50 9/2/2003	Thats why you cant kill him, f***ing cheater. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stan 18:51 9/2/2003	Its with all guns, and can you explain to me why when i hs peeps with 3 ak bullets i do 24 damage, now even if i shoot em in the f*ing toe it should do more damage than 24 hp with 3 ak bullets, but there is nothing around the head area that should have that bad damage on it. The game is fed, pure and simple. It has been since the netcode change, i think u can prove it is f**ed if u go onto blue yonder and hs some nubbin with a ak 20 times to have him long range spray u with a p90 and 11 ping, then watch his aim and watch him aim no where near u. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 18:53 9/2/2003	Actually thats a good point, in blueyonder at least everytime i play i get some absolute no skill lucky noob wkER headshot me while im rinsing him, then watch him in - eyes and wonder how the f* he could ever kill anyone, i always put it down to luck but maybe theres even more hitbox bugs we dont know about.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 18:54 9/2/2003	maybe you should just SHUTUP rino [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 18:55 9/2/2003	f*** off pipper [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 18:59 9/2/2003	thing is this certain bug has been in cs forever, i've always noticed it but thought it was more of a server/netcode bug n never bothered thinking about it, but that demo makes it f***ing blatently obvious, i mean at the end hes shooting over half the guys head and its hitting the wall behind not just at the guys ear. id rather see this sorta bug fixed than some pointless new gun added to the game, but i guess it took gooseman 18months to fix the crouch hitboxes so we'll be lucky to get this fixed before 2005 :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stan 18:59 9/2/2003	another thing with cs, the amount of times i fire first and then some 20pinger fires half a second after me, kills me [cos his bullets register quicker], and mine just vanish in mid air, if he is going to bulls* me, at least let my bullets carry on travelling and kill him. Yes i know i bh about cs, but it is a joke and on isdn it is a f**ing joke, and omfg me and iron agree about summit , shock horros [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty 19:01 9/2/2003	the problem lies in using hitboxes essentially based on cubes moving in curved paths when they animate, there is always going to be a gap problem. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stan 19:01 9/2/2003	Anisty 19:01, 9/2/2003 the problem lies in using hitboxes essentially based on cubes moving in curved paths when they animate, there is always going to be a gap problem. Oi no this is for random b***hing, not sensible reasons to why it is screwed :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 19:02 9/2/2003	crouch hitbox bugs still arent fix, i know one which is kind of pathetic, you can shoot the whole of somebodys upperbody/head and it wont register a hit let alone a headshot, the only way you can get them is by shooting their feet..and it registers a headshot. :\| [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 19:02 9/2/2003	ive always hated that too, how its always "them or you" to a whole new degree, as in either all ur bullets reg and it kills them before all his bullets reg or urs will just vanish and they'll come out with loads of hp when if all the bullets u shot still carried on theyd be dead too or on v low hp [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dravicus 19:03 9/2/2003	BREAKING NEWS, the cs hitboxes suck who would have thought it [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 19:04 9/2/2003	no one said it was new, its just nice to have a thread dedicated to the moaning instead of being told to stfu coz nothings wrong :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty 19:06 9/2/2003	random moaning urm... let me think... f***ing hitboxes i hate how they dont work like and tbh imho in fact teh hitboxes are screwed so stfu imo valve and get back to doing some work eh? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 19:07 9/2/2003	hahaha exactly, the problem with cs netcode is, when you fire a bullet, it disappears until it hits the other person, if you have something like UT2k3, if you shoot a bullet you can see it midair and the server cant do anything to stop that bullet hitting wherever its going to hit...cs just relys on the server to predict s***, and with so many different variables and factors affecting prediction its such a dumb thing to do.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stan 19:07 9/2/2003	Thats the spirit :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dravicus 19:07 9/2/2003	yeah ducking and strafing left to right with a grenade in your hand is banned in a lot of leagues because it completely f***s the hitboxes, u have to shoot them in the balls to make a headshot. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 19:19 9/2/2003	lol didnt know that [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ed 19:22 9/2/2003	that ones funny drav, but why would the head hitbox change cause of a gren in hand while crouching... its the same model, the head shud be in same place [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 19:24 9/2/2003	It works, try it for urself.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 19:26 9/2/2003	its hilarious, just watch tho, they'll prolly be loads of lamers reading this that didnt know, and start using it in clan matches like the first person in n rush comes out with crouched gren strafing while the others pile in afterwards [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 19:26 9/2/2003	ed, thats wot everyone says. but for some dumb reason the hitboxes are independant of the model [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 19:29 9/2/2003	ye i was just saying this in irc, i dont understand why they make seperate models for hitboxes, and not use an exact copy of the graphics model but overlay it.. or would that be using too much common sense ? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ed 19:30 9/2/2003	i know it works iron, i just wondering how it works [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kimble BLACKLiGHT 19:37 9/2/2003	shads - per poly collision detection was expensive when HL was made. It's done like that for speed. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 19:39 9/2/2003	What are you talking about.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kimble BLACKLiGHT 19:44 9/2/2003	per polygon collision detection it CPU intensive, its not that hard to grasp Iron :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 19:46 9/2/2003	I can grasp anything, and if i cared i could grasp what youre talking about.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty 19:48 9/2/2003	actually, it isnt exactly the same model [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 19:50 9/2/2003	Anisty, what? why is everyone being stupid while eagle since eagle hasnt posted in ages [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 19:51 9/2/2003	shads, What? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hamster r4ngers 19:56 9/2/2003	Iron, about that uk2k3 thing, its the same in rtcw. But the bullet reg is alot to do with (I think) Server side and client side servers. Basically, according what kidni said to me is client side (cs) the person fires, on what he see's, now a lpb see's things on the server faster, because he gets the info off the server of the other players faster, so he fires, and it regs on his comp, his bband sends i. meanwhile, the hpb (isdn, slower adsl lines even, since i ping 9 in cs :D) gets the info late, so what appears 1/2 a sec earlier, is same time according to server, then his client fires, and the line sends it later. Basically, the hpb see's whats going on first, and can "react" if u wanna call it that b4 the hpb even knows whats going on. If u can make that out, i will give u a biscuit. However a game like rtcw or ut2k3 is a server side game, so u send the info, they send it, and then the server works it out, does the math according to net code (and in quake/rtcw according to cl_timenudge aswell), and generally gets a even messurement, in fact it sometimes works to ure advantage, i have killed peaps when they run behind a wall (rtcw u cant shoot through em) and my bullet "catchs" them up on the server. Also u can trace bullets, so if u see a sniper fire, u can actually avoid it, + advantage of server side, u have to, say when sniping, shoot INFRONT, of the person, as if it was real life. It has it advantage, but unfortunatly/fortunatly, rtcw is a lpb game, isdn`ers suffer, because they get info slowly, they lag a good bit, but for hpb's and sub 100 pingers (128k isdn +) its generally great. Ne way that may seem pointless, or explain some things. Rtcw hit boxes are better ne way. It does seem like CS makes up the hit boxes, depending on how cs/server is feeling :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	m0rph Infinity-eSports 20:07 9/2/2003	omg! servers rub their clit [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	m0rph Infinity-eSports 20:07 9/2/2003	as a result they become VERY horny [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 20:09 9/2/2003	i proved my own point very f***ing well there thanks iron [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 20:09 9/2/2003	eagle please come back and soak up all the stupidity into urself again [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 20:10 9/2/2003	then m0rph licks hsi finger and pokes it up the server's a-hole ur so rude :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	iron 20:22 9/2/2003	Yeh thats a point shads, where is Eagle? I pray hes dead but somehow i doubt it... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	kaidy 00:43 10/2/2003	Its with all guns, and can you explain to me why when i hs peeps with 3 ak bullets i do 24 damage, now even if i shoot em in the f*ing toe it should do more damage than 24 hp with 3 ak bullets, but there is nothing around the head area that should have that bad damage on it. The game is fed, pure and simple. It has been since the netcode change, i think u can prove it is f**ed if u go onto blue yonder and hs some nubbin with a ak 20 times to have him long range spray u with a p90 and 11 ping, then watch his aim and watch him aim no where near u. YOU TELL EM STAN!!!!!!!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	snarc 02:05 10/2/2003	cs is old, its always had problems - to be good at cs you have to know how to play the game not how to shoot stright. Thought everyone already knew this? omg servers do like flicking themselves off agreed, dosnt help when skanks use ex_lubricant 1 to grease them up either - stay off the config guys, keep clean, stay sober, keep it real. PEACE [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	00 Judean People's Front 00:48 13/2/2003	there is one method to kinda force valve to do something about it :) ...the entire community agrees to only use sv_clienttrace 10 ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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