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	St_George g30rg3h UKTerrorist 18:00 17/2/2003	such a shame [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KhAoS meatyballs 18:02 17/2/2003	na, pay to play sucks. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	deebo Mel Gibson UKTerrorist 18:04 17/2/2003	There was £500 first prize though Khaos [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 18:16 17/2/2003	And probably that in combined travel fees for teams to get to the event ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Havors 18:19 17/2/2003	told you so. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obi Clan ONE 18:26 17/2/2003	cant see the point in pay to play online competitions till all cfging is stopped, and dont say theres wwcl cos that dont do f*** all :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 18:27 17/2/2003	I think the fact the final was BYOC contributed to it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hedge 18:28 17/2/2003	Not really supprised, paying for online games isnt great, BWCSL is trying, and will appeal to more fun/social teams, than "pro" teams. I think these Eso style tournys over a weekend with few teams, would be good. Nice and quick for organiser and teams, not having to worry about players being on 11892912 different nights, as long as they are in for 1 weekend its ok. Something some other organisations could try. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smiffeh Game2XS.Monkey Magic 18:29 17/2/2003	ya wots point in LAN final if its BYOC [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 18:30 17/2/2003	ryu` 18:27, 17/2/2003 I think the fact the final was BYOC contributed to it. rofl [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hedge 18:31 17/2/2003	"Bring your own computer or you dont play" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hedge 18:31 17/2/2003	is i-series worked with someone intelligent in the cs community, they could run a v good tourny. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smiffeh Game2XS.Monkey Magic 18:32 17/2/2003	sucks for people with s*** comps tho [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Headshot^Man` Disturbed 18:34 17/2/2003	my computer rocks [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	deebo Mel Gibson UKTerrorist 18:39 17/2/2003	like ur pc smiffeh u rich b****** [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	JediBitch fightclubclan 18:45 17/2/2003	was lookin forward to this =[ tis a shame [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obi Clan ONE 18:48 17/2/2003	tarl! zwan were ownage u missed out son :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 18:57 17/2/2003	p2p online will neva work so long as their is an alternative that is free, once the freebies stop it may have a chance. LONG LIVE FREEBIES :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hedge 19:01 17/2/2003	was like BW servers going p2p + GD too, but still had others, and now most clans have their own server, and publics etc, so makes it hard for these companies to work. Good thing with bwcsl, they got 3 seasons roughly of teams, and somemore may apply end of this season etc. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dravicus 19:07 17/2/2003	so basically they are taking the money what people paid in order to attend the LAN, and instead of giving them that, they are giving them an automatic place in a division?... arent they lucky!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 19:12 17/2/2003	Gutted [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 19:17 17/2/2003	Yeh - i can see why people lost interest. Point is, we can't offer decent prizes without p2p. And since the last 8 clans got free entry to a 200 man lan event, either for the 4 days or just the CSGN cup - was the whole point of paying. The £500 prize fund was either going to be cash or in hardware, whatever the last 8 clans voted on. The league will be run, and we will be focusing on the more "able" clans at first. After this we will continue to stuff the gap between "pro" clans and lesser clans with competitions which mix them all up with one another. Sorry again, Regards, Jamie [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	phonics 19:25 17/2/2003	p2p is s*** unless its v cheap (or there are massive prizes) because most clans are just paying to be beat by the top few teams. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 19:30 17/2/2003	£2/player and obviously everything i mentioned such as an available 40 spaces into the LAN event with £640 prize money, 3 database driven websites by www.pinekone.com/case.asp and 5bncesr (in total). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 19:35 17/2/2003	yea obisidian it did sound ok. I wasnt digging at you, its just p2p wont succeed untill their are less free areas for clans to play. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hedge 20:10 17/2/2003	Which there wont be, like p2p servers. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38 21:59 17/2/2003	I think it’s a shame that there are so few clans that are willing to play CS at a more professional level Nah, no one wants to pay to play in some n00b competition thats all. CPL is free and plenty of people play in it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 21:59 17/2/2003	cpl is free? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty 22:09 17/2/2003	neb, shut up and get get a name that isnt so 1337 if you want someone to take your opinion seriously [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ryano theb0g 22:15 17/2/2003	its unfair and a northern term 'its black'. the people who orginised it spent so much effort doing it so u cant just pull back and say u dont want to go its plainy being gay [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 22:18 17/2/2003	so its the people's fault because they didn't want to go! right... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiSSue 22:32 17/2/2003	ye CPL is free, once u pay the entry fees [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 22:33 17/2/2003	N38's attitude does complete justice to the general attitude that the UK CS seems to have adopted and called its own. I dunt want any recognition, i dunt want any profits, i just wanted ot do something nice that would make things more interesting. As i said, i just thought it was a shame. The league will still run. So not all is lost. And was i try and stress, the p2p was simply to raise a prise fund worth playing for. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 22:33 17/2/2003	lol, neb knows all then [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 22:35 17/2/2003	indeed. this shouldn't be compared to the CPL any how - tahts just pointless. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 22:36 17/2/2003	the comparing that is - obviously not the CPL :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	G4cE 22:39 17/2/2003	I'll just chip in here if i can, GiR didn't signup as we considered it 10 quid wasted. We may well of won our first match but the chances of us actually getting tothe point of winning something are practically zero, hence us not wanting to pay for prizes we stand no real chance of claiming. That may seem selfish, but we operate on a very tight budget here, and 10 quid is 1 persons server rent or a months webhosting etc. Hope you can udnerstand what i mean obsidian, G4cE [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 22:42 17/2/2003	Completely, but i hope you can understand why i didn't feel £2/player was extortionate. Nor did i want abuse from people like N38, doing his clan no justice regarding CSGN placement, where previous aaron (Oi leader) was very supportive of the whole idea. People just seem to think prizes come from sponsors as easy as 1,2 3. I worked and emailed and rang and worked some more on the site, servers and LAN agreements. To have it thrown back in your face is demoralising and makes it all seem so pointless. :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 22:46 17/2/2003	Just noticed this comment: "so basically they are taking the money what people paid in order to attend the LAN, and instead of giving them that, they are giving them an automatic place in a division?... arent they lucky!!!" No - they get their cheque returned or destoryed (which ever is easiet for them), and a placement in the league for showing willing to participate. thats all :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty 22:46 17/2/2003	completely understand obs mate [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 23:07 17/2/2003	i love u jamie. dont worry about online t**ts. ive seen pics of n38 and well, ill say no more [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38 23:28 17/2/2003	Haha........ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38 23:30 17/2/2003	What can i say, take a look in the mirror. Ok it was a bit harsh, Obsidian whatever his name is, well done its a nice thing to do ok.. But comon your saying "I think it’s a shame that there are so few clans that are willing to play CS at a more professional level".. Thats bull s***, look how many ppl who got interested in UKT. I think that to run any type of event like this you need recognition like the VGA has. So ul thats all. And dont call me neb, my name isnt neb, never was and never will be. Fools. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38 23:31 17/2/2003	Oh and might i add, it was ME who bloody signed O:i upto the CSGN and told Aaron about it.. Im just taking that I think it’s a shame that there are so few clans that are willing to play CS at a more professional level cos its wrong what your saying. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Weebull 23:47 17/2/2003	omg i agree with neb :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hedge 23:48 17/2/2003	He does speak some sense. NeB [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38 00:20 18/2/2003	:D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Keiju UKT 1v1 winner 2003 01:18 18/2/2003	Hm saw this once and was gonna convince ONE to sign up but i forgot about it, it wasnt publicised much? :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 01:36 18/2/2003	" I think that to run any type of event like this you need recognition like the VGA has" You mean a professional organisation? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38 02:14 18/2/2003	They are pro, they just arent well known. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 03:40 18/2/2003	Who arent well known? VGA? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Geordie Last Chance 07:59 18/2/2003	cpl qualifier entry is 75 pound n38 thats 15 each if u have 5 people (because i know u struggle with numbers) u don't have a clue. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 08:04 18/2/2003	thing is - it, i dunt have the financial backing to run a professional event. I did this all in my free time to try and make things more fun for everyone. I did my best to make it as well organised etc. as i could. Regarding the publicity statement. UKT, the-UKCSA and no-powerups all posted about it. And Radio.1 were also interested in coverage. "...Nah, no one wants to pay to play in some n00b competition thats all. CPL is free and plenty of people play in it...." I would say the obvious "why dunt u organise it blabla" but that wont allow the cup to run. I just couldn't understand why clans couldn't afford £2/player for a chance to win much much more. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	PFCalcio THX 08:20 18/2/2003	Shame. :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	arma 11:37 18/2/2003	'Thats bull s***, look how many ppl who got interested in UKT' last i heard there was uhh 18-20 clans interested? :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SuperNick 12:10 18/2/2003	yeh but ukt is lan only.. who wants to pay to play online vs current configing champions? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 13:29 18/2/2003	i meant considering there are 140+ registered teams at CSGN, including cs-marines, omg and others (not bad for a 'n00b competiton eh N38' - i thought it were a shame so few of them wanted to play in the cup. I dunt understand when you try and do something nice - people get angry at you. I have been talking to some people this morning, and sponsors - and the possibility of cancelling the whole project is now very real. :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38 16:45 18/2/2003	Well UL UL UL. It still remains what you said The lack of interest has come as a shock after the initial sign ups. I think it’s a shame that there are so few clans that are willing to play CS at a more professional level is absolute bull s*** and you know it. People just dont want to pay to play in an un establishes and recognised tournament.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38 16:48 18/2/2003	Geordie you clame to know so much about me ehhh. I strugle with numbers even though i do A Level maths, i dont want to sit here typing bull s*** to you ok all im saying is that what Obsidian said is wrong, cant anyone admit they're wrong ever? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 18:21 18/2/2003	can u just stfu, gettin a bit sick of UR bulls***. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 20:57 18/2/2003	what i said wasn't wrong. it just depends how you interupt it. its a fact that few of the clans that were so quick to sign up to csgn did actual sign up for the cup. whether or not you regard this as a professional style tournament is up to you. and i totally agree that clans only want to play in regonised tournaments. thats my entire problem. it was your just negative attitude which was demoralising. its fair enough telling it how it is, but in its not much to ask for a bit of tact considering the effort me and XioN put in. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 21:01 18/2/2003	you say the whole p2p issue is a bad thing, and i'm doing it for some kind of personal gain. as i try and stress, 64 clans sign up, £10 each, and the prize fund is £640 - its not coincidence why it works out like this. :) i was only trying to make the event owrth while by having a prize fund. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Stono 22:31 18/2/2003	Ive just got in and read all of this. Basically we could have done it for free but then you would have got jack s*** for the prizes, so who would bother playing. Me and obsidian speant a hell of a lot of our own time trying to contribute to the cs community only to have it thrown back in our face by people like N38. Personally i dont know if im going to be carrying on with CSGN myself considering the generall attitude of some people disgusts me. im sure obsidian will, he has more patience than me. another point, BYOC sucks. but the fact is i NEVER, neither me or obsidian confirmed that it was DEFINATLY BYOC. The event we were going to go to was being 'developed'. if it turned out that it was definatly we could have changed the final to possibly a VGA center. to late now tho. Another thing, as regards to 'configgers'. We cannot afford to take 64 clans to a lan. its simply not feasable so we had to have qualifiers online. All games were on adminmod/wwcl servers with an admin & hltv demos. Im sure if some team was configging it would have been picked up quite easily. if the opponant can see it obviously the admin could. Laterz. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 01:24 19/2/2003	VGA centre would've cost a lot of cash. Nah, no one wants to pay to play in some n00b competition thats all. CPL is free and plenty of people play in it. <- CPL final is around £75 per person :). CPL UK Quals were £75 per team I believe neb. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38 02:29 19/2/2003	Oh be quiet boy, i ran a successful LAN company before now so don't give me that bull s***, re-read the page. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38 02:40 19/2/2003	Oh something which came to mind: http://www.multiplay.co.uk/columns.asp?m=view&uid=16 im sure once you have read it you have understood my point there. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bigZ 03:35 19/2/2003	why aren't you still running the LAN company? it fell thru, or you get sacked for being a self indulgent tosser? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 09:03 19/2/2003	Another thing, as regards to 'configgers'. We cannot afford to take 64 clans to a lan. its simply not feasable so we had to have qualifiers online. All games were on adminmod/wwcl servers with an admin & hltv demos. Im sure if some team was configging it would have been picked up quite easily. if the opponant can see it obviously the admin could.[ LOL what you gonna do, kick them for configging? haha [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 09:53 19/2/2003	why aren't you still running the LAN company? it fell thru, or you get sacked for being a self indulgent tosser? cudnt have put it better myself [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 14:01 19/2/2003	I agree with N38 - read the article. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Obsidian 15:25 19/2/2003	N38 i agree with you there. Trying to run before you can walk is somthing i was well aware could happen. Especially after the initial sign ups for CSGN. However, we took polls and did a lot of back ground research at where to pitch the asking price for entry, and what clans considered to be a worthwhile prize fund. What happened was simply a shame, after what could have been a fun, excitiing, and most importantly and comptetitive event. Perhaps i should change my statement to read: "I think it’s a shame that there are so few who clans willing to support CSGN to provide a competitive and professional competition, after the initial interest and backing." Its probabaly because we're new, "n00b" like, and generally frowned upon, but i for one don't want to give up yet and ylet you guys get the better of me :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38 15:36 19/2/2003	For the people like fez and bigZ, who know abosultely nothing about anything, just shut up, you have 0 sense and less than 0 logic. Just keep re-reading the page, maybe you'll get it one day. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 16:36 19/2/2003	did i say i knew anything, u stupid prick. the reason ur getting s* off people is cause ur being a complete wker about what your trying to say. if you just stated ur point normally rather than trying to be a know-it-all tosser then maybe people would look at what you say differently [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38 16:46 19/2/2003	Shhh literally just shhh man, look at yourself you IDIOT. Just keep re-reading, ask your parents for help or summat. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38 17:02 19/2/2003	If you have a problem seek medical or MENTAL advise. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bigZ 19:41 19/2/2003	seems you don't know the full story either N38, lol [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bigZ 19:42 19/2/2003	and whats this LAN company you ran, URL? I'm interested.... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bigZ 19:48 19/2/2003	for your info N38, CSGN was wasn't running the LAN event, just holding the finals at the event, which is run by an outside organisation... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38 20:45 19/2/2003	www.game-junkies.net still running actually.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 23:24 19/2/2003	The point N38 is making - and it's a poignant one - is that Obsidian passed the failure of the tournament onto the UK gaming community, when it is not their fault at all. You start small and build up like all other reputable LANs/tournies, not come out of nowhere and expect every clan and their dog to sign up. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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