CPL Carlisle Cancelled

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	saph 22:44 6/6/2003	saves a long car journey i guess sad to hear any lans bein cancelled though [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Psy^ xtreme9.uk 22:46 6/6/2003	Not surprised really, first I've heard of it since it was announced it was going to happen... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 22:48 6/6/2003	fs. i was relying on this [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Headshot^Man` Disturbed 22:50 6/6/2003	yes!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Vision Cumbrian Sheep 0nline 22:52 6/6/2003	Don't blame me for this fecking mess...If poeple within the CPL weren't so greedy then it would be still on. I'd like to see some of you put up enough money to buy a house for a years CPL.uk licence... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	danneh 22:54 6/6/2003	money grabbin cpl w**kers [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	duck. Online Multiplayer Gaming 22:55 6/6/2003	Was looking 4ward to it =[ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 22:55 6/6/2003	no one was blaming you, shame it didnt materialise. The 'bigger' gaming nations within Europe don't seem to get a CPL event... Sweden, UK etc... Countries like Norway and France can front the cash. Guess we will see some good things from the new cpleurope changes though. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nazg0l fightclubclan 22:57 6/6/2003	handbags [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Vision Cumbrian Sheep 0nline 22:57 6/6/2003	On the whole i didn't expect the 3x increse on the licence... I feel like i let people down...i must apolagise.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Psy^ xtreme9.uk 22:57 6/6/2003	I'm not blaming you, I'm just saying I wasn't surprised. :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 22:58 6/6/2003	Vision don't worrie, just pickyerself up from it and continue to do yer stuff. gl dude. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fsk twisted Reality 22:59 6/6/2003	omg vision :D long time no see or speak :( u any good at guitar yet :D shame this didnt take place, maybe next time :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Vision Cumbrian Sheep 0nline 22:59 6/6/2003	I'am the mthr Fecker at guitar dude .... Show me the stage.... :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fsk twisted Reality 23:01 6/6/2003	its feitek btw mate :( bet u forgot... n00beh says hi :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Az RemOte.uK 23:02 6/6/2003	man. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Vision Cumbrian Sheep 0nline 23:03 6/6/2003	Tell n00beh to buy himself a day pass and shut the Fck up... Im old now i can't keep up with all this sht i gotta family now... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fsk twisted Reality 23:05 6/6/2003	u old old man :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:12 6/6/2003	You only have to talk briefly with the community to see how they feel about Munoz in comparison to how they feel about the wcg. It's him that they'll look down on for this, not you ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:14 6/6/2003	When infact he probably had very little to do with this decision. There must be a reason why they wanted to increase the price of the liscences, it might be greed it might not be. Basically we don't know so we can only pass judgement. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:15 6/6/2003	Treble licence price... treble prize money? I think not. Treble wage increase more likely ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:15 6/6/2003	As I said, we don't know the facts and probably never will, that is your 'take on things'. We can only pass judgement. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Vision Cumbrian Sheep 0nline 23:16 6/6/2003	K my last comment.. they have no plans to do any events in the uk... Therefore any amount the y got from me would have been a bonus...it makes no sense.... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:16 6/6/2003	It's what I do best ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 23:16 6/6/2003	dw vision, outside the US ppl care less about the cpl than the wcg, try and secure some wcg quals (though i personally would prefer northampton sicne its closer :P) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 23:16 6/6/2003	"they have no plans to do any events in the uk..." LOL [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 23:16 6/6/2003	well Munez has posted here before, maybe he'd like to clear a few things up [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:18 6/6/2003	Smittins, VGA/IgamesUK covers the WCG quals, what we don't have (or have had once or twice should I say) is a secure CPL qualifier event. From my understanding however Carlisle was an actual CPL event like CPL Oslo and CPL Cannes, not a qualifier? I can understand in a way why for the moment they wouldn't want us to have a major event such as CPL UK but we do need qualifiers, i don't think they will deny us those. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:21 6/6/2003	Will they go out of their way to provide anything for it though? It's all well and good saying no because other sports may not make that provision, but gaming is in its infancy and does need help. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Vision Cumbrian Sheep 0nline 23:21 6/6/2003	jeez..i cant get away CPL qualifiers can be taken up by anyone willing to put up the fees for the travel to the event for the team... What we're talking about is a whole CPL event in the uk...which sadly will probably never happen... :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:22 6/6/2003	what do you mean 'help it'. Help a UK qualifier/event or help the 'CPL' outside of the US? I believe the sub institution CPL Europe does it's job of helping Euro events but with me not being a CPL employee i don't know the full ins and outs. The new changes will help bring a solid structure to the CPL as a whole and maybe we will see the CPL US and CPL Europe working together more closely. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:24 6/6/2003	Vision - at the moment i don't think it will happen. I was pesimistic about Carlisle, although thank you for your effort. As i said, most places just don't have the cash or time. Cannes,Oslo,Dallas obviously do, i hope one day a big CPL event does take place in the UK but as you said for the time being at least i don't see it happening. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:24 6/6/2003	Paying for qualified teams travel and accommodation is one example of help that's needed [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:25 6/6/2003	From who DoZ? The CPL? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:26 6/6/2003	You need a dot-to-dot with all the numbers on? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:29 6/6/2003	Suggesting the CPL fund every clan that wins a qualifier to its major events around the world is quite silly. The cafe's / arena's / companies that run the qualifiers will sign a contractual agreement and so forth ensuring they can cover this (i am hoping Myers will back me up there). The role of the qualifying center is to host the event and get a team there is it not? With respect to what Vision is saying, there isn't enough money by the soudns of it to host a full scale CPL event in the UK (like CPL Cannes / Oslo). What i am saying is that i hope because of this or along side this we don't loose our CPL qualifiers as well. IGamesUK has secured WCG success and has proved a good filter in the past, we need a similar thing for the CPL... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:30 6/6/2003	And that's exactly the wrong way to do it. It's a lot of money. A single cpl licence would pay for a LOT of teams flights and accommodations. We'd see a much better cpl tournament if it were a truer representation of the skill level of the world [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	vip Online Multiplayer Gaming 23:35 6/6/2003	lol hi vision u old slag long time no see :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:36 6/6/2003	We'd see a much better cpl tournament if it were a truer representation of the skill level of the world Agreed, but it is mightly impossible to get the top team from every nation per say into 1 tournament at 1 part of the world at 1 point in time. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:37 6/6/2003	Replace the top with a top and you'd have very few problems [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:38 6/6/2003	i hope one day a big CPL event does take place in the UK Like CPL London? Suggesting the CPL fund every clan that wins a qualifier to its major events around the world is quite silly. The cafe's / arena's / companies that run the qualifiers will sign a contractual agreement and so forth ensuring they can cover this (i am hoping Myers will back me up there). The role of the qualifying center is to host the event and get a team there is it not? With ESWC i agreed to host the qualifiers and pay for the flight to Poitiers. ESWC pay for the accomodation. With WCG the local organisers, in our case iGames UK host the event usually pre-qualifiers to and for the winners to get to the airport. However iGames UK only need to raise half the money as WCG matches what iGames UK put into it, because the Samsung Chairman is also a CEO of WCG..or something like that. Anyway once you get to the airport, you're picked up in coaches and taken to the player village, which is VERY impressive. All your expenses are pretty much covered from WCG from this point on. For CPL (well until the most recent changes) The local lan organisers host the event, and pay for the winners to goto Dallas and the accomodation. This puts a heavy burden on these events and is one of the reasons why no-one holds them in the UK atm. Another reason is the clash that hosting both a CPL and WCG event causes. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:41 6/6/2003	Like CPL London? I ment another one. I can see where you are coming from with the WCG/CPL 'costs' debate but the WCG have only 1 event a year to cover (you could argue a wider scope of the globe though) whilst the CPL have multiple (if you take the european ones 3/4 a year). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:43 6/6/2003	$250,000 upfront for a cpl licence. A couple of euro places buy one of those in a year and cpl can't afford to pay a few flights and hotel rooms? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:45 6/6/2003	'a few' as you put it equates to massive costs once totted up. I will go as far as to say that I think a 'fairer' implemented system for all parties could be adapted but in reality there isn't 'much' more the CPL can do without changing things. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:46 6/6/2003	my edit button isnt working properly for some reason but i wanted to add at the bottom that changes would bring about a whole new cost/benefit situation and not just in money terms. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:46 6/6/2003	cpl has massive resouces and sponsorship. The licences are but a single source of income. WIthout seeing a full financial report and the profit margins that they make (and they're gonna be making them to even talk about building their own cyberolympic arenas and they like) we can't say for sure. But I doubt very much it's beyond their reach, just beyond their desire [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Antmoo 23:47 6/6/2003	CPL Minehead [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:49 6/6/2003	Possibly so, but is it worth (at the moment) paying for flights/accomodation to CPL Winter 2003 for example or expanding eSports futher with the money they have and the plans they have. This brings into the mixture a whole lot of questions to do with the full potential of eSports and so forth. At the end of the day it is a busniess, as they continue to expand/change so will the scene. I for one would be willing to sacrifice one event (e.g. a CPL UK event) for the next two years to guarantee 5/6/7/8... more in the future. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:49 6/6/2003	I believe that the new CPL format means it pays some money towards the winners of the 15 or so tournaments outside the states to attend the event and around another 20 - 30 teams inside the states to goto dallas. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:49 6/6/2003	Everyone would love a cpl St Ives ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:50 6/6/2003	CPL Crawley [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:50 6/6/2003	But yes for the record i am in agreement a 'fairer' system could be implemented. How and if it would work are different questions. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:51 6/6/2003	Yea Myers, the new changes are a good step in the right direction. To the future ;D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:52 6/6/2003	I see only one possible (and unlikely) explosion increase in the popularity of gaming, and that is when events such as thecpl get televised. Kids around the world would want to watch that, if it were hyped up enough. Sitting there aged 7, dreaming of the day that they can go to thecpl and compete with the big guns. Apart from that there is gonna be no huge growth in popularity or acceptance of eSports as a whole [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:53 6/6/2003	just tell kids they can become pro-gamers in a mass-scale tehn it'll become huge. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:54 6/6/2003	Myers. In 10 years time you might have little kids wanting to shake YOUR hand! You could be the next Matthew Kelly if ya play ya cards right (TT can help ya there ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:55 6/6/2003	little kids already shake my hand... EVery ukt lan i get ppl coming up to me "alright myers" and they shake my hand... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:57 6/6/2003	How many come up and shout RICKYYYYYYYYYYYY? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 00:00 7/6/2003	none? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 00:01 7/6/2003	You still got some distance to go in the fame stakes then [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 00:08 7/6/2003	yeh, a little [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sU Warped Reality 00:15 7/6/2003	end of the day CPL is an american company and tbh they dont really give a s*** about anyone outside the usa, the fact that the europeans are better at the 'sport' is to great inconvience to them and that is the only reason they humour us. they would much rather have US only events. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Thorin 00:16 7/6/2003	Not very suprising bearing in mind CPL London had all of 12 people in the BYOC. The CPL would be better off running a tournament in Afghanistan :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Chris0 00:31 7/6/2003	Personally don't care since it wasnt a continuing event, so nothing lost, and i bet most if not all had forgotten about it. GL to the organised clans with travel expensives! maybe save some £££s for CPL Winter, £5k ish! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MadSpunk Last Chance 00:35 7/6/2003	We were actually saving for this one, was gonna be one of the few lans lc went to this year, ah well :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 01:02 7/6/2003	FS was really looking forward to going to Legends and gettting m0 fixed up with some single mum minger :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Samje 01:03 7/6/2003	shame. gl Vision. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dr_Evil`` 01:05 7/6/2003	Could you not just f*** the CPL off and host the event anyway? Get some backing and put on a decent LAN without the nametag. (sorry if I miss the point and this was meant to be a qualifier for an event in Dallas or whatever) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 01:05 7/6/2003	CPL Blaenau Ffestiniog :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Carb theb0g 01:21 7/6/2003	Guess it was only to be expected really =[ Don't see why it couldn't have been taken on by another LAN though =[ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 01:56 7/6/2003	The cost, Carbonite... Anyone who wandered into the cpl.uk chan over the past few months saw that there were about 3 idlers (me included), and I usually responded to PMs asking whether it was still on with "Not looking likely". Still a shame to have it confirmed and not on and all, but it's out of Glenn's grasp. WCG seem to be a far, far better organisation. And I look forward to a full fiscal report from the CPL :-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 02:41 7/6/2003	seems like a silly place for a major lan event. There's only a few million in Scotland [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 02:41 7/6/2003	MaT@needsgeographylessons.com [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 02:44 7/6/2003	Oh man, I just thought of a really good joke involve Choke, LANs and geography... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dh 02:45 7/6/2003	whats that then NICK!? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 02:46 7/6/2003	It's an implied joke, not an explicit one you stupid c***. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kronikal Anti-Climax 02:46 7/6/2003	Just zip it hazz. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sU Warped Reality 02:46 7/6/2003	LOL AT MAT's Comment :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dh 02:47 7/6/2003	i got owned kazz [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kronikal Anti-Climax 02:49 7/6/2003	Did you just call me kazz ? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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	saph 22:44 6/6/2003	saves a long car journey i guess sad to hear any lans bein cancelled though [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Psy^ xtreme9.uk 22:46 6/6/2003	Not surprised really, first I've heard of it since it was announced it was going to happen... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 22:48 6/6/2003	fs. i was relying on this [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Headshot^Man` Disturbed 22:50 6/6/2003	yes!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Vision Cumbrian Sheep 0nline 22:52 6/6/2003	Don't blame me for this fecking mess...If poeple within the CPL weren't so greedy then it would be still on. I'd like to see some of you put up enough money to buy a house for a years CPL.uk licence... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	danneh 22:54 6/6/2003	money grabbin cpl w**kers [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	duck. Online Multiplayer Gaming 22:55 6/6/2003	Was looking 4ward to it =[ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 22:55 6/6/2003	no one was blaming you, shame it didnt materialise. The 'bigger' gaming nations within Europe don't seem to get a CPL event... Sweden, UK etc... Countries like Norway and France can front the cash. Guess we will see some good things from the new cpleurope changes though. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nazg0l fightclubclan 22:57 6/6/2003	handbags [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Vision Cumbrian Sheep 0nline 22:57 6/6/2003	On the whole i didn't expect the 3x increse on the licence... I feel like i let people down...i must apolagise.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Psy^ xtreme9.uk 22:57 6/6/2003	I'm not blaming you, I'm just saying I wasn't surprised. :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 22:58 6/6/2003	Vision don't worrie, just pickyerself up from it and continue to do yer stuff. gl dude. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fsk twisted Reality 22:59 6/6/2003	omg vision :D long time no see or speak :( u any good at guitar yet :D shame this didnt take place, maybe next time :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Vision Cumbrian Sheep 0nline 22:59 6/6/2003	I'am the mthr Fecker at guitar dude .... Show me the stage.... :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fsk twisted Reality 23:01 6/6/2003	its feitek btw mate :( bet u forgot... n00beh says hi :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Az RemOte.uK 23:02 6/6/2003	man. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Vision Cumbrian Sheep 0nline 23:03 6/6/2003	Tell n00beh to buy himself a day pass and shut the Fck up... Im old now i can't keep up with all this sht i gotta family now... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fsk twisted Reality 23:05 6/6/2003	u old old man :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:12 6/6/2003	You only have to talk briefly with the community to see how they feel about Munoz in comparison to how they feel about the wcg. It's him that they'll look down on for this, not you ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:14 6/6/2003	When infact he probably had very little to do with this decision. There must be a reason why they wanted to increase the price of the liscences, it might be greed it might not be. Basically we don't know so we can only pass judgement. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:15 6/6/2003	Treble licence price... treble prize money? I think not. Treble wage increase more likely ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:15 6/6/2003	As I said, we don't know the facts and probably never will, that is your 'take on things'. We can only pass judgement. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Vision Cumbrian Sheep 0nline 23:16 6/6/2003	K my last comment.. they have no plans to do any events in the uk... Therefore any amount the y got from me would have been a bonus...it makes no sense.... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:16 6/6/2003	It's what I do best ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 23:16 6/6/2003	dw vision, outside the US ppl care less about the cpl than the wcg, try and secure some wcg quals (though i personally would prefer northampton sicne its closer :P) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 23:16 6/6/2003	"they have no plans to do any events in the uk..." LOL [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 23:16 6/6/2003	well Munez has posted here before, maybe he'd like to clear a few things up [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:18 6/6/2003	Smittins, VGA/IgamesUK covers the WCG quals, what we don't have (or have had once or twice should I say) is a secure CPL qualifier event. From my understanding however Carlisle was an actual CPL event like CPL Oslo and CPL Cannes, not a qualifier? I can understand in a way why for the moment they wouldn't want us to have a major event such as CPL UK but we do need qualifiers, i don't think they will deny us those. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:21 6/6/2003	Will they go out of their way to provide anything for it though? It's all well and good saying no because other sports may not make that provision, but gaming is in its infancy and does need help. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Vision Cumbrian Sheep 0nline 23:21 6/6/2003	jeez..i cant get away CPL qualifiers can be taken up by anyone willing to put up the fees for the travel to the event for the team... What we're talking about is a whole CPL event in the uk...which sadly will probably never happen... :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:22 6/6/2003	what do you mean 'help it'. Help a UK qualifier/event or help the 'CPL' outside of the US? I believe the sub institution CPL Europe does it's job of helping Euro events but with me not being a CPL employee i don't know the full ins and outs. The new changes will help bring a solid structure to the CPL as a whole and maybe we will see the CPL US and CPL Europe working together more closely. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:24 6/6/2003	Vision - at the moment i don't think it will happen. I was pesimistic about Carlisle, although thank you for your effort. As i said, most places just don't have the cash or time. Cannes,Oslo,Dallas obviously do, i hope one day a big CPL event does take place in the UK but as you said for the time being at least i don't see it happening. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:24 6/6/2003	Paying for qualified teams travel and accommodation is one example of help that's needed [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:25 6/6/2003	From who DoZ? The CPL? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:26 6/6/2003	You need a dot-to-dot with all the numbers on? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:29 6/6/2003	Suggesting the CPL fund every clan that wins a qualifier to its major events around the world is quite silly. The cafe's / arena's / companies that run the qualifiers will sign a contractual agreement and so forth ensuring they can cover this (i am hoping Myers will back me up there). The role of the qualifying center is to host the event and get a team there is it not? With respect to what Vision is saying, there isn't enough money by the soudns of it to host a full scale CPL event in the UK (like CPL Cannes / Oslo). What i am saying is that i hope because of this or along side this we don't loose our CPL qualifiers as well. IGamesUK has secured WCG success and has proved a good filter in the past, we need a similar thing for the CPL... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:30 6/6/2003	And that's exactly the wrong way to do it. It's a lot of money. A single cpl licence would pay for a LOT of teams flights and accommodations. We'd see a much better cpl tournament if it were a truer representation of the skill level of the world [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	vip Online Multiplayer Gaming 23:35 6/6/2003	lol hi vision u old slag long time no see :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:36 6/6/2003	We'd see a much better cpl tournament if it were a truer representation of the skill level of the world Agreed, but it is mightly impossible to get the top team from every nation per say into 1 tournament at 1 part of the world at 1 point in time. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:37 6/6/2003	Replace the top with a top and you'd have very few problems [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:38 6/6/2003	i hope one day a big CPL event does take place in the UK Like CPL London? Suggesting the CPL fund every clan that wins a qualifier to its major events around the world is quite silly. The cafe's / arena's / companies that run the qualifiers will sign a contractual agreement and so forth ensuring they can cover this (i am hoping Myers will back me up there). The role of the qualifying center is to host the event and get a team there is it not? With ESWC i agreed to host the qualifiers and pay for the flight to Poitiers. ESWC pay for the accomodation. With WCG the local organisers, in our case iGames UK host the event usually pre-qualifiers to and for the winners to get to the airport. However iGames UK only need to raise half the money as WCG matches what iGames UK put into it, because the Samsung Chairman is also a CEO of WCG..or something like that. Anyway once you get to the airport, you're picked up in coaches and taken to the player village, which is VERY impressive. All your expenses are pretty much covered from WCG from this point on. For CPL (well until the most recent changes) The local lan organisers host the event, and pay for the winners to goto Dallas and the accomodation. This puts a heavy burden on these events and is one of the reasons why no-one holds them in the UK atm. Another reason is the clash that hosting both a CPL and WCG event causes. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:41 6/6/2003	Like CPL London? I ment another one. I can see where you are coming from with the WCG/CPL 'costs' debate but the WCG have only 1 event a year to cover (you could argue a wider scope of the globe though) whilst the CPL have multiple (if you take the european ones 3/4 a year). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:43 6/6/2003	$250,000 upfront for a cpl licence. A couple of euro places buy one of those in a year and cpl can't afford to pay a few flights and hotel rooms? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:45 6/6/2003	'a few' as you put it equates to massive costs once totted up. I will go as far as to say that I think a 'fairer' implemented system for all parties could be adapted but in reality there isn't 'much' more the CPL can do without changing things. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:46 6/6/2003	my edit button isnt working properly for some reason but i wanted to add at the bottom that changes would bring about a whole new cost/benefit situation and not just in money terms. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:46 6/6/2003	cpl has massive resouces and sponsorship. The licences are but a single source of income. WIthout seeing a full financial report and the profit margins that they make (and they're gonna be making them to even talk about building their own cyberolympic arenas and they like) we can't say for sure. But I doubt very much it's beyond their reach, just beyond their desire [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Antmoo 23:47 6/6/2003	CPL Minehead [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:49 6/6/2003	Possibly so, but is it worth (at the moment) paying for flights/accomodation to CPL Winter 2003 for example or expanding eSports futher with the money they have and the plans they have. This brings into the mixture a whole lot of questions to do with the full potential of eSports and so forth. At the end of the day it is a busniess, as they continue to expand/change so will the scene. I for one would be willing to sacrifice one event (e.g. a CPL UK event) for the next two years to guarantee 5/6/7/8... more in the future. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:49 6/6/2003	I believe that the new CPL format means it pays some money towards the winners of the 15 or so tournaments outside the states to attend the event and around another 20 - 30 teams inside the states to goto dallas. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:49 6/6/2003	Everyone would love a cpl St Ives ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:50 6/6/2003	CPL Crawley [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:50 6/6/2003	But yes for the record i am in agreement a 'fairer' system could be implemented. How and if it would work are different questions. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:51 6/6/2003	Yea Myers, the new changes are a good step in the right direction. To the future ;D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:52 6/6/2003	I see only one possible (and unlikely) explosion increase in the popularity of gaming, and that is when events such as thecpl get televised. Kids around the world would want to watch that, if it were hyped up enough. Sitting there aged 7, dreaming of the day that they can go to thecpl and compete with the big guns. Apart from that there is gonna be no huge growth in popularity or acceptance of eSports as a whole [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:53 6/6/2003	just tell kids they can become pro-gamers in a mass-scale tehn it'll become huge. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:54 6/6/2003	Myers. In 10 years time you might have little kids wanting to shake YOUR hand! You could be the next Matthew Kelly if ya play ya cards right (TT can help ya there ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:55 6/6/2003	little kids already shake my hand... EVery ukt lan i get ppl coming up to me "alright myers" and they shake my hand... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:57 6/6/2003	How many come up and shout RICKYYYYYYYYYYYY? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 00:00 7/6/2003	none? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 00:01 7/6/2003	You still got some distance to go in the fame stakes then [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 00:08 7/6/2003	yeh, a little [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sU Warped Reality 00:15 7/6/2003	end of the day CPL is an american company and tbh they dont really give a s*** about anyone outside the usa, the fact that the europeans are better at the 'sport' is to great inconvience to them and that is the only reason they humour us. they would much rather have US only events. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Thorin 00:16 7/6/2003	Not very suprising bearing in mind CPL London had all of 12 people in the BYOC. The CPL would be better off running a tournament in Afghanistan :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Chris0 00:31 7/6/2003	Personally don't care since it wasnt a continuing event, so nothing lost, and i bet most if not all had forgotten about it. GL to the organised clans with travel expensives! maybe save some £££s for CPL Winter, £5k ish! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MadSpunk Last Chance 00:35 7/6/2003	We were actually saving for this one, was gonna be one of the few lans lc went to this year, ah well :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 01:02 7/6/2003	FS was really looking forward to going to Legends and gettting m0 fixed up with some single mum minger :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Samje 01:03 7/6/2003	shame. gl Vision. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dr_Evil`` 01:05 7/6/2003	Could you not just f*** the CPL off and host the event anyway? Get some backing and put on a decent LAN without the nametag. (sorry if I miss the point and this was meant to be a qualifier for an event in Dallas or whatever) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 01:05 7/6/2003	CPL Blaenau Ffestiniog :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Carb theb0g 01:21 7/6/2003	Guess it was only to be expected really =[ Don't see why it couldn't have been taken on by another LAN though =[ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 01:56 7/6/2003	The cost, Carbonite... Anyone who wandered into the cpl.uk chan over the past few months saw that there were about 3 idlers (me included), and I usually responded to PMs asking whether it was still on with "Not looking likely". Still a shame to have it confirmed and not on and all, but it's out of Glenn's grasp. WCG seem to be a far, far better organisation. And I look forward to a full fiscal report from the CPL :-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 02:41 7/6/2003	seems like a silly place for a major lan event. There's only a few million in Scotland [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 02:41 7/6/2003	MaT@needsgeographylessons.com [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 02:44 7/6/2003	Oh man, I just thought of a really good joke involve Choke, LANs and geography... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dh 02:45 7/6/2003	whats that then NICK!? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 02:46 7/6/2003	It's an implied joke, not an explicit one you stupid c***. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kronikal Anti-Climax 02:46 7/6/2003	Just zip it hazz. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sU Warped Reality 02:46 7/6/2003	LOL AT MAT's Comment :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dh 02:47 7/6/2003	i got owned kazz [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kronikal Anti-Climax 02:49 7/6/2003	Did you just call me kazz ? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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