New CPL CS Rules

Posted by Myers at 07:55 19/8/2004.

We warned that the appointment of a new CPL league comissioner could lead to changes in the way we play the game and it certainly has. Not the small insignificant changes such as lowering the time for the c4 or adjusting the tournament format, nope the CPL has decided to change the way CS is played completely.

The league's new commissioner, Justin Blanchard, announced today the following game format changes to this winter's $100,000 Counter-Strike tournament sponsored by Hitachi Global Storage Technology.

Regular Matches

  • Increase of max rounds from 12 to 15
  • Decrease round time from 2:30 to 1:45
  • Increase freeze time between rounds from 10 seconds to 15 seconds
Overtime Matches
  • Increase start money from $800 to $10,000
  • Increase freeze time from 15 seconds to 20 seconds
Justin Blanchard believes that these changes will move the game play to a structure similar to NFL football. Rounds with a lot of action followed by a regrouping strategy period, then another play with lots of action. Overtime changes should provide teams an opportunity to utilize their full gamut of strategy instead of just one round determining play for the remainder of overtime.

Justin also released a preliminary version of the Counter-Strike tournament rules, now located at www.thecpl.com/winter/cs_rules.htm

This is will be, without doubt, the biggest change in CS gameplay in quite some time. If past trends persist then all other tournament organisers will adopt similiar rules. A much needed ahd worthwhile change? Or an over-zealous CPL comissioner looking to stamp his authority upon the community, to be discussed.

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Thuggie`
Croydon
08:18 19/8/2004		 Mick Foley was the best comissioner ever. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
fezemoN
08:18 19/8/2004		 lower round times can only mean more exciting matches. not sure about MR15 havent really pld it that much. the overtime changes seem very worth while, meaning the pistol of overtime doesnt decide the almost certain outcome of a half [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dL
Atari.Crew
08:22 19/8/2004		 LMFAO Thuggie thats probably the best thing i've ever read on ukt [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
08:24 19/8/2004		 isn' it cool how i included an option especially for doz on the poll? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
`Spectre
Intrigue
08:26 19/8/2004		 new rules look good, nice to see how uk leagues adapt to them if there applied soon enough [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
fezemoN
08:27 19/8/2004		 why dont u 2 get a room! instead of posting ur cute little comments to each other on here :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Tru
08:30 19/8/2004		 myers but what about the decline of the textile industy due to the inflation of decomissioned varandies?

anyhows
It looks like Justin just read the gotfrag article and made the changes without thinking
imo, the extra 5 seconds isn't needed and the round time should be 2 not 1:45
reason being that the extra time will help in clutch conditions, you don't want the last guy to run in the room with 4 ppl in so they can shred him cos of the time, you want him to kill them all - the extra 15 secs will give him a bit more time to say get the bomb down or come up the ladder from behind on nuke

majority changes good :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
siLki
08:30 19/8/2004		 no [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
08:32 19/8/2004		 heh, rooms are too expensive. Yes i agree Tru it's almost certainly what he did. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
08:38 19/8/2004		 sweeeeeeeeeeet, hope other leagues take the same changes, this will be so much better. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Valar`
The Anti-DoZ
08:44 19/8/2004		 look like good changes on the whole.

thuggie... AGREED! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
gReen
08:46 19/8/2004		 very nice, sure CPLwinter will be much more action packed.
Will proberly favour americans such as Rival or Die then euros like SK or EYE [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SFAL^Sarge
Viva la!
08:47 19/8/2004		 Changes are good, less camping, faster action (needed since games so slow) and less importance on the randomness of pistols.

Now all we need is CO rules and the circle will be complete.

Good changes. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
aboms-sister
08:51 19/8/2004		 For CO rules to work we need bunnyhopping back.

And Myers answer your pm :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
08:52 19/8/2004		 CO rules sucked :P, the last ct would always run away and hide at the T spawn to waste time :)
This looks good, i hate the whole "wait for 2 mins and hopefully 1 of them will get bored into pushing"
Might miss the pistol round tho :] [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SFAL^Sarge
Viva la!
08:54 19/8/2004		 CO rules = mad 5 man take downs when T's glock eco, and the thrill of winning a glock eco in CO rules was far better than anything else :D

CO rules = faster, more exciting

but these changes go a long way to make it better to watch. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dL
Atari.Crew
08:58 19/8/2004		 CO rules are rubbish, good to watch for 2 rounds, or 5 or maybe even a match! then boring

it may be better to watch but eventually u'll get fed up with having to push early every round, 2mins would be alright but 1:45 is pushing it a bit... dunno about that OT thing either... we shall see! could work nicely

GL mick foley n chums [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ablation
contact!
09:04 19/8/2004		 The changes seem excellent to me :D

I assume the Winter tourney will use 1.6 - anyone know whether they're planning to use CS: Source for a CPL event in the near future? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
uhh
09:17 19/8/2004		 try when hl2 comes out [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Dustaz
Alert
09:19 19/8/2004		 Wow, looks like if you want a rule change, you need to write a massive whine article on Gotfrag.

The money system was changed (rightly) because of shags article (didnt see him whining when zex used it to their advantage at eswc, only when NoA were beaten later at the cpl) and now Midway writes an article that sugggests CS become more like American Football (!!!!) and lo and behold, the new guy in CPL goes for it.

This is just dumbing down CS further imo. If 1v1 fast paced action is really what people wanted, why isnt quake/ut the most popular 'eSport'?

Remember SK Vs rival where fisker (i think) won a 1v4 at cpl? Better remember it, cos you wont be seeing it again. Would he have time to do that with the new times? Mill is a small map, the problem is excaberated on larger maps. If a team sets up a slow strat and it goes pear shaped, there isnt much time to regroup with this time.

Some people like the slow gameplay of CS. The game should be about whats fun to play - not whats fun to watch. If we head down this road, we will end up with an americanised game. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
jaff
09:19 19/8/2004		 now im not too bothered about the overtime business, or even the max rounds, i guess...
but putting round time to 1.45? i think thats awful! youre gonna see more gun saving than people giving it a bash, coz you just cant pick people off..
mleh
make it two minutes if you wanna make it faster.. that 15 secs will make all the diff :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SumsoluS
09:23 19/8/2004		 gather round everyone!...
*whisper whisper...whisper*
HUTHUTHUT!GOGOGO!GO-no WAIT!start again guys!jeez [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PrezZA
09:30 19/8/2004		 why not CO Rules mr 15? :P

:x
with 1.45 time limit :D or, shut the f*** up me, but 1.45 co rules would be class, miss those days of CO bring back yr 2000/1 ;D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
09:33 19/8/2004		 Aww, thanks for the poll option Myershunnybunnysweetsugarofmylilfe!

However, I like the changes and think that they are all positive. I also agree with Clint that CO is a far improved scoring method.

You don't see people running around timing out a round in CO seeing as soon as the bomb is planted the timer stops. That was the ONLY problem with CO rules.

CO isn't a mad perma-rush either, teams soon learnt that didn't work against coordinated defences and they would do as we do now, a variety of slow pushes.

1min 45s is enough time to get a bomb down and do some picking off. It places a greater pressure on the Ts to do that rather than sit there. An extra 15 seconds wouldn't change that at all, the bomb can be planted at 1s as it is.

CS should always fill the gap between the speed of q3 and the speed of s*** games, these changes bring it back to that a bit [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dm
09:40 19/8/2004		 Good stuff. 45 seconds less just means the Ts should pretty much go for it rather than get into position and wait 60 seconds to see if any impatient CTs peek. What they really need as well is a faster walk speed, then there'd be more time for everything anyway.

It is a bit weird though, as making the round time shorter requires teams to have more pre-defined "plays" rather than just "push in three directions at once and see what happens". This further extends the advantage of those teams with real organisation and preparation over those relying on individual "skill", which is the opposite of what most people wanted when they said they wanted the game to be faster.

Still a good move overall imo. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
seik
09:43 19/8/2004		 ukt needs a +1 rating for users so ppl like esr so we can all + Thuggie for his brilliant line at the top [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MadSpunk
Last Chance
09:49 19/8/2004		 Can't complain about them trying to make CS faster! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
butters
09:49 19/8/2004		 best wrestling match was when mankind played triple h in a cage like 4-5 years ago! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dL
Atari.Crew
09:53 19/8/2004		 bulls*** all mankind matches were s***e apart from when he got thrown off the HIAC thru the announcers table!

best match ever was 1 of the ken shamrock lions den matches! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
fezemoN
09:54 19/8/2004		 f*** off! hogan vs warrior is THE best wrestling match ever no arguments! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Coopsy
Landed
10:02 19/8/2004		 tbh.... come overtime, waiting at spawn for 20 seconds freezetime is gonna get bloody annoying... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Kr1stal
10:06 19/8/2004		 BUT ITS NOT NFL! - sounds cool anyway [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
HeaDBulB
10:26 19/8/2004		 wtb 15 sec freezetime, i get annoyed when people put 10 sec freezetime :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
monkE
euthanasia
10:30 19/8/2004		 Nice rules!!!!! Finally a good change concerning counterstrike

*happy* [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MonkH
10:41 19/8/2004		 they should test the rules out in CAl first and othe leagues b4 applying them to the CPL but dunno how this could turn out [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SFAL^Sarge
Viva la!
10:47 19/8/2004		 at the end of the day what ever rules they choose, people will play them, and looking back every rule change the CPL has made has worked (to my knowledge) so id bet on this one being fine too. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ablation
contact!
11:09 19/8/2004		 Yeah I agree entirely with you Sarge. 15 seconds freezetime may seem a lot, but I believe it's a logical step if CS is to be watched by a wider audience. It will give commentators enough time to show the best kills from a round (or to discuss the attacking team's strategy from the last round), and should mean we see more interesting tactics being called "on the fly". [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
mebR
11:15 19/8/2004		 I think all those changes are for the best, atleast in the long run.

And even if they arnt perfect, least theyr trying =p [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Magic^
11:35 19/8/2004		 good changes ... only thing that seems a bit much is 20 sec freezetime in overtime ... but i guess if its in a CPL/LAN competition overtime is pretty pressured and the players will be grateful of it [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Rav0r
Croydon
11:43 19/8/2004		 about time, go pro mode! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Inferus
11:45 19/8/2004		 The 20 secs freezetime will allow the players to discuss some strategies, since the overtime is so important it is a good change.

Overall some nice improvements imo. Are people going to play mr15 1.45 rounds now in pcws? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
toko
euthanasia
11:46 19/8/2004		 yeah good rules

[Edited by toko at 17:21 19/8/2004] [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
w000kie
11:48 19/8/2004
Increase start money from $800 to $10,000

haha i panicked for a minute there because i didnt see the "overtime Matches" above it ..Phew :D~ silly mee :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
11:48 19/8/2004		 Yes you can

7-8 8-7
6-9 9-6
5-10 10-5
4-11 11-4
3-12 12-3
2-13 13-2
1-14 14-1
0-15 15-0

All = 15-15 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
11:49 19/8/2004		 In any MR X game you need to get X+1 rounds and the game can always end X-X over 2 halves [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
w000kie
11:49 19/8/2004		 LOL AARON you are the dumbest c*** in the whole entire planet!

Glad DoZ the Frut guru is here to enlighten your inner being [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
toko
euthanasia
11:50 19/8/2004		 doh! nm ¬_¬ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DidGe
Synergy Online
11:51 19/8/2004		 co rules was great

these changes are good

will csgn change to them? :s [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
toko
euthanasia
11:53 19/8/2004		 i joke woke up gimme a break lol :((( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
toko
euthanasia
11:55 19/8/2004		 how the f*** did i work out that hmmm [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Tru
11:58 19/8/2004		 you forgot theres was a second half? :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
w000kie
11:58 19/8/2004		 Poor toko a luv u bruv :((~ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Messiah
Game2XS.Monkey Magic
11:59 19/8/2004		 15-0
0-15 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Messiah
Game2XS.Monkey Magic
11:59 19/8/2004		 errr where did all those posts come from [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Wood
12:00 19/8/2004		 haha can't drawn, thats almost as stupid and the guy who said why don't you have mr15 CO rules.

These changes seem good to me tho, should increase the pace of the game and bring in some more spectacular fragging. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
w000kie
12:00 19/8/2004		 he sounds so tired on vent maybe it was a memory lapse or something >:( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Mango
12:06 19/8/2004		 They seem like positive changes, whether they will be adopted by the rest of the world remains to be seen. I wonder the CPL actually tested these changes before implementing them. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
toko
euthanasia
12:08 19/8/2004		 nah am just dumb. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
fezemoN
12:08 19/8/2004		 /me growls at w00kie :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Mupp
12:08 19/8/2004		 CPL is just gotfrags puppet :o~ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
alicat!
12:19 19/8/2004		 What do you do in 15 seconds of freezetime :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
12:20 19/8/2004		 Abuse fsk [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Drenz
12:21 19/8/2004		 f*** off! hogan vs warrior is THE best wrestling match ever no arguments!

agreed there phil! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
rknZ
12:32 19/8/2004		 I like all of these changes.

[APPROVED] [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
georgeda
12:44 19/8/2004		 lets hope it leads to more 5v5 awp only overtimes [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DooMeh
Lite
12:50 19/8/2004		 can some1 link the gotfrag article please [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Thuggie`
Croydon
12:57 19/8/2004		 i can think of so many matches better than hogan vs warrior, sure they were classics but the actually matches werent that great really, all just emotional sentiment. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
13:02 19/8/2004		 Emotion and showmanship? ahahahaha

HAHAAAAAAAAASDHASILDHIEAHAAA [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Zorro-
Clan [F]
13:19 19/8/2004		 pfff 15 seconds freezetime.. if find 7 sec already more than enough, and its even worse for specs [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
13:23 19/8/2004		 if they could get that Tvsn on some s***ty channel on sky, then cs would actually be fun to watch with commentry n s*** all together :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
cerebro
xtreme9.uk
13:25 19/8/2004		 Mick Foley was the best comissioner ever.

LOL, and one of the best matches was the first ever table ladders and chairs matches!! most exciting anyway [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
jammin
13:26 19/8/2004		 In my humble opinion round time should vary depending on the map. Larger maps ie d2 should be 2-2.15 smaller like nuke 1.45-2 mins. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MeGaMaN-
Rush!
13:30 19/8/2004		 hogan is revolting, sexy ravashing rick rude was the winner [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Wood
13:40 19/8/2004		 its all about Bret the Hitman Heart [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Venomous
BLACKLiGHT
13:53 19/8/2004		 i stopped enjoying watching s***ty wrestling when i was about 8 and realised they stamp on the floor instead of hitting the guy, god damn, was almost as bad as finding out santa wasnt real :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
brenje
reSonance
13:59 19/8/2004		 WTF!?!?!?! Santa isnt real?! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ntNN
14:01 19/8/2004		 I still watch it.. ruay :x and im even going to manchester to watch it in october ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ColdAsIce
ImaGine
14:02 19/8/2004		 I can see the freezetime causing alot of f***ing whine in pcws.

Some of the changes look very postive for the game imo [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
brenje
reSonance
14:04 19/8/2004		 CSGN used to be mr15, before changing to mr12. I wonder if this will make them change back? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
14:06 19/8/2004		 MR12 would be nice if startmoney was 5000 or so say [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]

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