Barrysworld Becomes GAME.NET

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	Kappy 14:11 9/1/2003	gr8 lets all signup to barrysworld servers so we can play with all the newbies who have just bought HL/CS and an online package from Game.... i think not [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 14:27 9/1/2003	or lets get more and more people interested in online gaming, get more companies involved and get our teams paid CPL trips to Dallas by companies who've began to notice online gaming since its introduction to the high street? :> [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Name: 14:35 9/1/2003	Anybody who plays online PC games has heard of barrysworld, these people also know they can get the same service elsewhere for free. Console gamers will make up a majority of GAME sales, these people are irrelevant to barrysworld and internet gaming. The single player PC gamers who maybe haven't played online games before may see the barrysworld leaflets and get 'online'. Once there I'm sure it won't take them long to realise barrysworld want to charge them for a service that has and will always be available freely elsewhere . I used to play on mainly Barrysworld servers but I did not miss them when they went, I just clicked on the next lowest pinging server like normal. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gryff 14:38 9/1/2003	BWCSL is P2P, all clans have at least 5 members with subscriptions to be able to play. Hence there will be a nice mixtures of newbies and decent players :-] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	arma 14:41 9/1/2003	interesting [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	TeppuM Online Multiplayer Gaming 14:48 9/1/2003	Havn't BW always been Game, well, at least for a long time now, and this is just another step in their money-making scheme? If they get more people interested, people who aren't too in-the-know of online gaming, they WILL pay for the service, and that's never going to be a good thing for the gaming scene when more companies realise this and get involved [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Name: 14:57 9/1/2003	Nobody is going to run up to you and offer to give you anything Ripper, thats just not how things works. What these "sponsored" teams are doing is begging. Nothing more. Comming to the point that you have to beg is degrading enough, often it doesn't end there, you frequently see 5 little identically dressed twits wearing T-shirts with the "donator's" logo on. I'm sorry I just find that degrading and pathetic. Don't even try and compare it to professional sponsorship such as footballers logo'd shirts, we aren't talking about millions here, we're talking about £100 plane tickets Deleting my comments isn't really a concern, as its the deleter they're directed at. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	alpha Da boss Inspired Gaming 15:02 9/1/2003	Well I deleted them, and they weren't directed at me. But I'm glad to see you've reposted without being quite so insulting. There is a difference between begging and sponsorship. By sponsoring something, in return you get exposure, usually to the sort of target audience you want exposure to. Don't even try and compare it to professional sponsorship such as footballers logo'd shirts, we aren't talking about millions here, we're talking about £100 plane tickets So what? It's the same thing, just on a much smaller scale. Football club sponsors pay millions to get long-term exposure to millions of people. Clan sponsors pay a lot less to get much less exposure to a small group of people. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 15:03 9/1/2003	greetings fellow nose-boulders! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty 15:10 9/1/2003	tbh, really glad that barrysworld are well on their way to replacing aol. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Blackbelt 15:13 9/1/2003	looking at BW servers erm no1 plays on them anymore :S not good is it ? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	StriKeN unicon.cs 15:16 9/1/2003	I'm not brilliant of the idea of "pro-gaming" but it's sure as hell more interesting watching a game of CS than watching that boring World Darts championship crap they have on TV at the moment... all my non-gaming friends here agree on it too. So why shouldn't games deserve more coverage than pointless boring sports such as Curling and Bowls.. i'm sure there's a bigger gaming community than people interested in such sports. Oh and back to the point of barrysworld - isn't it only £12 a year? Come on, £1 a month, although I don't pay for it, I don't have any objection to paying just £1 for a first-rate service like barrysworld. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Name: 15:17 9/1/2003	Intel, AMD or any other high profile hardware developer do not need exposure, they are house hold names. They simply have clueless marketing management with a budget so large they don't appear to need to make rational decisions. They do not get anything back from giving money to these beggers, Billy Smart playing a computer game to the point of obsession does not make me in anyway want to purchase a certain hardware brand over any other. Professional sponsorship is seen by thousands of spectators in the flesh and many millions on television networks. If the money involved was not so big these people would not be degrading themselfs into advertising boards either. BillySmart wearing his cheap Intel T-shirt is seen by nobody except broke Timmy in a dark corner while he's thieving the contents of said manufactuers computer like the pikey he is. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 15:17 9/1/2003	darts is pretty good actually [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 15:18 9/1/2003	maybe not, but i think the CS leagues are going to be good even if they are p2p. only decent clans who are dedicated and will fork out the cash will join. this will more than likely increase play quality along with server quality. this also allows prizes for leagues to be available gl BW :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 15:18 9/1/2003	You can't compare sponsorship of football to say online gaming. The money currently in online gaming is no where near that of professional football, where your talking million pound contracts +. As for the sponsorship deal of people begging, I have had one company get in touch with us already and when you are actually asking for sponsorship some places offer it not because they feel obliged to in some way, but generally do feel it will improve their sales. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	StriKeN unicon.cs 15:20 9/1/2003	Oh - and comparing games to footie isn't a fair comparison, seeing as football is an over-hundred year old multi million pound, world wide industry, where as online computer competitions only properly started about 5 or so years back. I doubt very much computer games will ever be anywhere near as popular as football - people just will turn their noses up at it and think it's sad. That's fair enough, everyone's entitled to their own opinion and to a degree they're right. As long as they stay clear of our interests without insulting them that's fine/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 15:20 9/1/2003	Name is just a poopoo head ignore him all :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 15:21 9/1/2003	g [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	StriKeN unicon.cs 15:21 9/1/2003	great minds think alike [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 15:21 9/1/2003	Intel, AMD or any other high profile hardware developer do not need exposure, they are house hold names. If this is true then why did Intel back the Intel Masters event? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	StriKeN unicon.cs 15:24 9/1/2003	You do have a valid point Name: - but I doubt such a big company like that, with their hired marketting directors earning thousands each month, degrees in marketting and stuff, will just THROW money away like that. They must have a reason? I doubt everglide would be half as known as they are now without sponsoring some top cs clans. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	t0m 15:26 9/1/2003	fruity fanta [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Name: 15:26 9/1/2003	Please don't paste me arguments you've read from delusional esr columnists Striken, I've read them before myself. "Don't even try and compare it to professional sponsorship such as footballers logo'd shirts" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 15:29 9/1/2003	They simply have clueless marketing management with a budget so large they don't appear to need to make rational decisions. :] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	deebo Mel Gibson UKTerrorist 15:35 9/1/2003	Games owned BW for a while but they've decided NOW to change it. Just like they owned Electronics Botquie(however u spell this bit - you no wot I mean ) for ages but have only recently changed them all to GAME [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 15:36 9/1/2003	impressive attempt at spelling boutique deebo [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 15:38 9/1/2003	that new site is f***ing horrible. It looks like one of them cheap porn/warez sites [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Xero-- 15:39 9/1/2003	Name, just think how many thousands of posts there have been on SoGamed about what mouse, mousemat etc people like HeatoN use, and how that persuades people to go out and buy the kit. it makes a huge difference, and if the cyberathlete concerned were to endorse it wholeheartedly, it would make an even bigger difference. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 15:40 9/1/2003	woo "lets appeal to gaming geeks by using graph paper as the background" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 15:42 9/1/2003	Game/EB were same company I believe - or game bought up EB at some point. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Xero-- 15:43 9/1/2003	like atm, people know what mouse HeatoN uses cos its on his profile, but if he were to go out and say, 'well, actually the type of mouse does matter, ms 3 is easily the best cos of x,y,z,' then a lot of doubters would convert. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Name: 15:45 9/1/2003	"I doubt everglide would be half as known as they are now without sponsoring some top cs clans." I doubt everglide are well known, admittedly it has been a while since I went mouse mat shopping but I haven't seen any of their products or banners in any shop I've been in. All of these specialised "gaming mouse mat" manufacturers are destined for the same fate as Razor. A company cannot survive relying on the small market of wanna be pro gamers who think XYZ is going to make them better at a computer game. Your average joe doesn't care what his mouse rolls on, and it is the average Joe that pays the company's wages. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 15:51 9/1/2003	I think you will find that the ppl who make/sell func pads are rolling in it mate... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	emfive 15:56 9/1/2003	New site certainly looks a lot more commercial than www.barrysworld.com [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Xero-- 15:57 9/1/2003	thats bollox anyways name about ur average joe. all those sogamed posts are posted by average joes, and noobies, of which there are a lot more than good players. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DooMeh Lite 16:00 9/1/2003	intel sponsored masters cuz most gamers use AMD boards and intel want a slice of the gaming market? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Xero-- 16:02 9/1/2003	good point doomeh. However, intel are just not going to cut into the gaming market at their current prices, which are exorbitantly high, and unaffordable to the 'average joe' cs player :\| [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Eagle 16:24 9/1/2003	Intel and AMD aren't household names, the average joe just buys what he thinks is "best" without actually knowing the details of hardware. I guarantee you, if you went out into a big area and ask people, they will probably not know the clockspeed of their cpu, or they will and not actually know the make. Anyway, this is a good thing for gaming, because GAME is a massive store, and it should help bring more people into the community. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 16:28 9/1/2003	Well, maybe a few of these 'average joes' have rich parents and not all poor sods like myself. They have to have a lil cash to even own a computer really. If they see big INTEL signs and see that 'the best' use INTEL machines, etc then they will want INTEL machines. Proper market research would be needed of course to tell what an 'average joe' is, etc. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 16:29 9/1/2003	"Intel and AMD aren't household names, the average joe just buys what he thinks is "best" without actually knowing the details of hardware." That is the precise definition of a household name you monkey. Like Sony is a household name, ppl dont need to know the specs of a sony product, if its got song on it it therefore must be good enough. Its the same with Intel they are a household product, with that annoying intel jingle always on TV ppl see it and think it must be good. They dont need to know the specs... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Wolfie WanadooWolfie 16:39 9/1/2003	or lets get more and more people interested in online gaming, get more companies involved and get our teams paid CPL trips to Dallas by companies who've began to notice online gaming since its introduction to the high street? :> lol u and your daft ideas ripper g [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 16:40 9/1/2003	"I guarantee you, if you went out into a big area and ask people, they will probably not know the clockspeed of their cpu, or they will and not actually know the make." and thats what makes them household names... Its not for the average household consumer to know the specifics of their system all they need to know is "will it run the internet". Same with Sony sound systems, they dont need to know the RMS power output, just whether or not they can play the latest Westlife CD... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Junks Sniper's Alley 16:44 9/1/2003	Name - I'm sorry but saying large companies like Intel do not need exposure is rubbish, of course they do, every company does, large or small. Branding is the single-most powerful marketing tool there is. You really think that the millions of marketing agencies/executives that advise/supply/create for these companies don't know their stuff? Otis - How can you think Intel isnt a house hold name? You don't know the full marketing strategy behind Game's decision to take Barrys over, or how they plan to develop it, or in what way. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Junks Sniper's Alley 16:45 9/1/2003	Sorry didnt read that properly Otis as quoting someone else - my bad :) My point still stands tho [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 16:46 9/1/2003	Junks i am saying it is lol! Disagreeing with Eagle [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 16:46 9/1/2003	oh yeah ok :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 16:47 9/1/2003	"Intel and AMD aren't household names, the average joe just buys what he thinks is "best" without actually knowing the details of hardware. I guarantee you, if you went out into a big area and ask people, they will probably not know the clockspeed of their cpu, or they will and not actually know the make." Wrong. Most people know of Intel, less of AMD. EVERYONE knows who Intel are. Go into PC World and count how many PCs are Intel and how many are AMD. People signify Intel to mean 'good' in the world of PCs, cos they're a big organisation and have been around forever. When people go to buy a PC, the salesman will say "This uses an Intel processor, so you know it's good quality and can do all this stuff etc." Have you never noticed how much Intel advertise on TV? Or that when anyone mentions Intel on TV, like Dell, they have to do the little out-take logo thing? People trust Intel. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Eagle 16:53 9/1/2003	Otis, i mean they dont know the details of their hardware, ie WHO MADE THE BLOODY CPU! etc. I can see intel being a household name yeah, not amd like nick says. Though AMD have good pricing, the chips at the moment produce a lot more heat. I'd rather get an intel chip right now, although for performance AMD would probably be better. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Eagle 16:54 9/1/2003	Oh and my point is, the "average joe" wouldnt know about the actual performance of the processors or makers. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Xero-- 16:57 9/1/2003	ryu, intel are simply too expensive for the average joe. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 16:57 9/1/2003	Yes but it goes like this: Salesman: This PC comes with a 2.8GHz Pentium 4. Joe: What does that mean in plain English? Salesman: It means that it's one of the quickest processors currently available, and can handle all manner of tasks including playing DVDs, running all the latest applications and all the most strenuous games. Joe: I'll take 28 of them. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 17:01 9/1/2003	"ryu, intel are simply too expensive for the average joe." From PC World: FUJITSU SIEMENS INTEL PENTIUM 4 2.8GHz PC & 17" MONITOR £899.00 inc VAT Inc: Geforce 4, CD-RW and DVD, Win XP and loads of software The average Joe can afford that easily when it's spread over 50 weeks with low credit. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Xero-- 17:02 9/1/2003	thats too simplified, firstly assuming the salesman is only advocating intel, also, you forgot: joe: so how much is it? salesman: far too expensive [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 17:02 9/1/2003	Don't forget that PC World's own brands like Advent etc. buy in bulk and get equipment before on-line stores so they sell lots very cheaply, which is appealing to the demographic audience. We're not talking people who go to dabs.com and monitor hardware prices. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Xero-- 17:03 9/1/2003	i meant the individual parts but i suppose joe buys a computer in one. i think there is still a price difference between amd and intel computers tho. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 17:03 9/1/2003	Considering the 'average' wage is £17k I'd say £900 for an all-in PC with all the software/hardware the average consumer wants is hardly expensive. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 17:04 9/1/2003	Well you say that but the price difference between a 2400xp+ and a 2.4GHz P4 is £13 now, and the P4 is quicker due to its higher bus speed and stuff. Don't forget the average Joe isn't someone who is clued up on hardware specifics. They read PC Active and just want to be able to do cool things like burn off their own CDs and manage their music, create spreadsheets and newsletters, etc. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Xero-- 17:07 9/1/2003	hmm, have just browsed dabs.com and its true, there isnt much of a difference [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 17:08 9/1/2003	Intel still get their business from IT contractors cos companies have to buy off them so they can charge what they like for systems anyway. Once again goes back to the "Intel have been around forever and make stable CPUs which can handle all your tasks" sort of thing. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Xero-- 17:10 9/1/2003	u say p4 is quicker? but y then do gamers buy amd? (purely inquisitive) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 17:13 9/1/2003	Depends on the market. At the time when the T'birds came out they were significantly faster than equivalent P3s, and also a s***-lot cheaper. So gamers used them and then moved on to Palamino (XP) when they came out. P4s started out very expensive, and the low-enders weren't very good performance wise. As the months have rolled on the gap between high-end AMDs and P4s got quite large, and Intel have reduced their prices significantly apart from the absolute top-end (3.06GHz chips are £500 or something silly, but you can buy systems with one in PC World for £1300 or so). So gamers liked AMD's moxy, they liked the performance for price factor - their XP1600+s are like £60 now, which is nice as it will run all the latest games for a low price. It's medium range where Intel is competing. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Xero-- 17:15 9/1/2003	btw all the amds say 2400+ etc, where its actually 2.1ghz or summat, whats up wiv that? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 17:17 9/1/2003	The XP+ comparison is the speed equivalent to the old T'bird cores which they replaced with the Palaminos. So a 2.1GHz Palamino is equivalent to a theoretical 2.4GHz T'bird. By doing this AMD also latched on to a misconception whereby people thought it meant it was equivalent to a P4, which is wrong. Misconception. But was it deliberate? If it was it's a stroke of genius, cos that's a common belief. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Xero-- 17:19 9/1/2003	so wots the equivalent intel to a 2400+ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 17:21 9/1/2003	Well, by GHz rating it would be a 2.2GHz, but that doesn't apply as AMDs do more work per cycle than P4s. Kind of a dodgy issue really, just look at benchmarks and decide what you like ;0) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Xero-- 17:22 9/1/2003	somewhere in between the ghz rating and 2.4 then [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 17:24 9/1/2003	Mmm, no real way you can do it, especially as Thoroughbreads have a new core. Best just to look at benchmarks on tomshardware or something. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 17:32 9/1/2003	Name:, you say that intel or AMD don't need the exposure, lets see. I know people have said don't compare gaming to football, but it's the same for all sports really. David Beckham gets sponsored by Adidas, all of a sudden Adidas sales are promoted by thousands of sports wannabes across the globe. But surely anyone interested in sports across the globe will have already heard of Adidas?, so are they getting more exposure?, not really. However when people see the top athletes promoting certain brands then they feel compelled to go out and buy them so they can be as good as them. For example, if Heaton suddenly started promoting the Logitech mx500 mouse i imagine a considerable proportion of gamers would feel compelled to get that same mouse. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 17:33 9/1/2003	also for those that don't know. A year ago barrysworld ran into some troubles and EB bought them out, a while ago Game bought EB. So i assume they also acquired Barrysworld in that deal and have just decided to develop the concept and see if they can make some money out of it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 17:45 9/1/2003	eagle stop trying to worm your way into an inteligent conversation, all you do is agree with both sides and attempt to gain the social acceptance you failed to gain since infant school. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	St_George g30rg3h UKTerrorist 17:47 9/1/2003	rofl [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 17:58 9/1/2003	View profile: Xero-- Real name: g Email: Click here to email Xero-- ----------------------------------- View profile: Name: Real name: g Email: Click here to email Name: same person? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Messiah Game2XS.Monkey Magic 18:05 9/1/2003	What is trolling? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 18:06 9/1/2003	trolling? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 18:06 9/1/2003	Trolling is the description of what a 'troll' does on forums or comments sections of sites, generally spamming and being abusive/stupid. Usually under alias while posting normally under a different name... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-m0o.Rob- 18:23 9/1/2003	editted my post lost all meaning now you TROLLS [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 18:50 9/1/2003	"Otis, i mean they dont know the details of their hardware, ie WHO MADE THE BLOODY CPU! etc." Thats not the point though Eagle. As long as Intel keep telling ppl their pc has "Intel inside" it doesnt matter if its the, hdd, cpu, whatever. Ppl think Intel are a reputable brand from a huge advertising campaign. You are right AMD aren't seen like that cos they dont do the same advertising... Intel have therefore achieved their goal and go t ppl to buy their products. The persons knowledge of that product is insignificant. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	GLoBaL ChiLLaGe 19:43 9/1/2003	PC World sells alot more Intel machines than AMD, because of the market exposure: Adverts, promo's and the like. I can say that most PC's I had dealt with were mainly Intels, however just recently AMD had been selling quite alot because of exposure... The average Joe, telling the Average Sue whos about to buy one, says that he has an AMD (known to him as the store assistant explained that 'this is a cheaper, yet faster machine') and that she should buy one. Anyway, I digress slightly. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 19:50 9/1/2003	/me smells trolling :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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