Blizzard Bans its Games from LAN

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	Geordie Last Chance 22:42 15/6/2003	Harsh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tang0^ 22:43 15/6/2003	wtf, nobs. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	t0m 22:43 15/6/2003	harsh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	t0m 22:44 15/6/2003	wtf doood [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	zeLL unicon.cs 22:44 15/6/2003	lucky i dont play wc3 :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 22:45 15/6/2003	lol f***in idiots would never happen to cs, lan events like the cpl are a big part of it being so successful and is CS2 valves money ticket along with Hl2 :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Scam 22:47 15/6/2003	I remember there being an article somewhere stating that in the small print Valve actually have the same thing - yet they dont enforce it. Should they choose to... : [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 22:48 15/6/2003	Scam - that's what the gotFrag? article (3 parts) explore, will VALVe ever exercise their right like Blizzard are doing. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 22:50 15/6/2003	lol it takes the p*** that companies can charge 30 quid for a small silver disc and a licence to play the game contained on it and still expect money from ppl playing the game at a lan event [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	StrideR^ 22:50 15/6/2003	lol :X [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	StriKeN unicon.cs 22:51 15/6/2003	LAMERS f*** head!!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	silva` ForsakeN 22:52 15/6/2003	lol ul [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	yates 22:52 15/6/2003	money hungry noobs [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	The Oracle Lord of t3h b0ys UKTerrorist 22:54 15/6/2003	I can see where Blizzard is coming from here; do you think it's fair that Blizzard makes a game and then people who own LANs - who had absolutely nothing to do with making the game - charge money for people to play the game? It's kind of like radio stations (not internet radio), the station has to pay so much to play the song. It's not really fair to Blizzard (or any other game company for that matter) that this kind of stuff happens. Maybe you all should try to understand why Blizzard did what they did, instead of just saying "f*ing cks". -The Oracle [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 22:56 15/6/2003	calling them f*ing cks is so much more staisfying ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	The Oracle Lord of t3h b0ys UKTerrorist 22:56 15/6/2003	lol [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	silicon 22:57 15/6/2003	I can see where they are coming from, and I agree with it. I don't like it, but I agree with it. We're not paying for the game twice... if you pay to go play it at LAN you havn't already bought the game (unless of course you have bought the game, but that won't affect you the consumer... it affects the LAN owner). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rich 22:58 15/6/2003	Well, if they charged 5 quid for the game in the first place, like a music CD single, then that comparison would work. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	yates 22:59 15/6/2003	cafes have got to pay a lot to get a copy for each comptuer to get a unique key dont see why should have to buy a license as well [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Carzy 23:02 15/6/2003	so if i have a LAN at my house for 4-6 peeps and we play warcraft 3 i have to pay blizzard to play? f*** that, they can come round my house if they feel so strongly bout it [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rich 23:03 15/6/2003	you would only if you charged the people to use your LAN . [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	The Oracle Lord of t3h b0ys UKTerrorist 23:04 15/6/2003	Carzy - From what I understand, Blizzard only makes the LAN owner pay them if the owner is charging his customers. I don't think it applies if you're just playing with friends and not charging money. -The Oracle [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:05 15/6/2003	Oracle the LAN centres do pay for one license per every computer the game is installed on as royalties for the game. I think this is a step to far however. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	jD 23:07 15/6/2003	Oracle when we getting some more Herman Chambers chronicles? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 23:10 15/6/2003	this is ridiculous [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	hihi zebras 23:10 15/6/2003	thats pretty weak :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 23:10 15/6/2003	or l33t h4x0r skin packs? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	The Oracle Lord of t3h b0ys UKTerrorist 23:11 15/6/2003	Quite soon, jD... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SunShip 23:11 15/6/2003	any idea on how much a licence is?. i think it'll only affect large corperations like CPL. Be a bit like when you ask mates round for a cards nite and say "are we playing for money?" " oh No Better make it match sticks as ita against the law". [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 23:13 15/6/2003	I can see it from Blizzard's POV, i.e. that LAN centres are making money from their game unscrupulously. Why not charge? At the end of the day it's their f***ing game and their hard work coded it, the fact that people can make money off of something you worked hard on without you seeing a penny would be very annoying if it happened to you. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:13 15/6/2003	would never happen to cs, lan events like the cpl are a big part of it being so successful and is CS2 valves money ticket along with Hl2 :) Don't be too sure. You honestly think CS is so successful because of lan events like the CPL?..CPL started using CS because it was so successful not the other way around. CS makes hardly any money from the CPL at all. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rich 23:19 15/6/2003	lan centres dont souly make money from the games they have; they dont have to pay AMD more because punters use their PCs cos they're faster than their home PCs, and the idea of that is rediculous. Greed! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SunShip 23:20 15/6/2003	But then its like someone buy a Diesel 5 door saloon from Ford, Then ford wanting money back when the guy who bought it used it for a mini cab. A little harsh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rich 23:21 15/6/2003	Exactly! First thing you've ever said I agree with SunShip, well done old chap. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:22 15/6/2003	but it is a computer game, you cannot extrapolate it to these metaphors you are using. It juxdaposes the idea, Ford wouldn't ever do that as they didnt print something saying you couldn't do that + there are other costs i.e. maintenance of the car and petrol. This was in the EULA! - they have a legal right to do it whether right or wrong. I can understand both points of the argument and think it is a stupid idea on Blizzards part. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ocean Puk Kai 23:23 15/6/2003	Wait a sec, if that applies to HL and CS.. "C. You are entitled to use the Program [Half-Life] and New Materials [Counter-Strike] for your own personal use, but you are not entitled to: (i) sell or transfer reproductions of the Program to other parties in any way, nor to rent, lease or license the Program to others" When you rent a CS server, doesnt the host make money out of renting the CS server out to others? Or are licenses for servers already paid for? Forgive me if i'm wrong, but if i'm right that means we cant even play CS on a dedicated server that charges for services? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:25 15/6/2003	We can ocean, but if they enforce the EULA (this is specifically for HL im talking about) then technically no we cannot. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SunShip 23:26 15/6/2003	Dedicated server is like standalone download no licence [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 23:36 15/6/2003	Dev your sharp tonight witht he old delete button mate ;o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Slider` eSports.Edge 23:37 15/6/2003	was just about the reply to Nazgol's comment, but then i released it had been suddenly and mystersiouly removed.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:38 15/6/2003	Useless comments like that need removing. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:41 15/6/2003	and i am not the only one who deletes comments around here so don't jump to conclusions mr OTIS! :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dravicus 23:42 15/6/2003	valve could quite easily impose this same thing since valve and blizzard are both owned by the same company (vivendi) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	callous Specster 23:47 15/6/2003	would VALVe ever impose a similar thing? they better f***in not! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	callous Specster 23:47 15/6/2003	wow illegal lans omg! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rhyzz Nocturne 23:58 15/6/2003	never work, why put a LAN option in the game if you want people to pay for LAN? its just stupid. Its like taxing roads when you pay road tax for a car. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 00:00 16/6/2003	its conclusIVE Mr. Otis to you Dev. omgomgomgomg I CRACKED A FUNNY HAHAHA just call me phil ta. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Macca 00:16 16/6/2003	i doubt valve or sierra would do that [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Crappy Super Breasts 00:36 16/6/2003	Unfortunately Rhyzz I pay car tax and also now pay a toll every time I drive into London for the honour of sitting in traffic jams. Guess I'll also pay to play on a LAN (only for fun of course before pros like Lyo take the p***) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 00:41 16/6/2003	Don't be too sure. You honestly think CS is so successful because of lan events like the CPL?..CPL started using CS because it was so successful not the other way around. CS makes hardly any money from the CPL at all. i said its part of the popularity not the sole reason :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 00:41 16/6/2003	so if i have a LAN at my house for 4-6 peeps and we play warcraft 3 i have to pay blizzard to play? f*** that, they can come round my house if they feel so strongly bout it ^^ quality :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	emfive 00:43 16/6/2003	rob is a liar [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MagiciaN^ Jay Bee Eye! 00:48 16/6/2003	hahaha q3 will rise again [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 00:50 16/6/2003	are u suggesting its been anywhere but rock bottom? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Slider` eSports.Edge 00:51 16/6/2003	seems like a going a bit too far [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	m!lky fluid element 00:59 16/6/2003	and may all you WC3 players burn in hell.... or you could just melt away in this heat, OR WITH YER POT OF GOLD, BY AN ARMY AND BUILD A TENT AND SAVE YERSELVES. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	The Oracle Lord of t3h b0ys UKTerrorist 01:07 16/6/2003	Nazg0l, please don't flame, it's not nice and it could stun your growth. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	m!lky fluid element 01:13 16/6/2003	rofl? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smiffeh Game2XS.Monkey Magic 01:51 16/6/2003	Harsh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nazg0l fightclubclan 02:55 16/6/2003	yes i would hate for my growth to be "stunned"... morons... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Moff sykotic 07:29 16/6/2003	Its a joke tbh, its like Ford selling cars, reliasing that Hertz motor rental are making money from renting there cars to a third party, so they decide to charge Hertz an additional fee......oh wait....YOU CANT f*ING DO THAT ....as the property has been sold legally & as Hertz would be breaking no copyright laws or any other for that matter Ford can go p* up a rope. As far as im concerned this example should appy perfectly to Blizzard as LAN centres purchase individual copies dont make illegal copies, its the heating,lighting,electricity that the money the charge goes towards, therefore up to blizzard to prove otherwise against the 10,000's LAN centres worlwide. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	VGA 08:28 16/6/2003	Just to clear a couple of things up, I was at an iGames USA conference in May when this was discussed. The easiest thing to do is look at the Ts & Cs of any computer game. It always says something like "you are not allowed to commercially exploit the Intellectual Property of this software without the express permission of..." bla bla bla. This means that you cant charge people to play the game, even if you have original copies of the game on your LAN. Now iGames around the world are fighting against this as every other Publisher provides this LAN License for free to iGames. Basically, they want a piece of the action. iGames would like to invoice Blizzard for all the free marketing and exposure having these titles installed in Gaming centres provides, and the many gamers who buy the game as a result of a quick play in a centre, but I dont think they would agree! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Antmoo 08:46 16/6/2003	I'm going to phone up Mr. Blizzard and tell him where he can stick his license. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 09:24 16/6/2003	If valve did start to charge for cs and cpl dropped it, it'd be a welcome move. About time a less random game took its place ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiSSue 09:33 16/6/2003	There is a big difference between someone charging you to play a game on their machine, i.e. directly profiting in an "arcade style", and a LAN where the organisers are merely providing a connection and it is up to the punters to play what they have on their own machines. Vivendi already have such terms in their EULA that affects gaming cafes, who pay them between £4-12 a month per computer with CS installed. When we spoke to Vivendi about this they said that LAN parties were not intended to be covered by this, as clearly they are a different type of service entirely. In essence, at LAN parties we're not providing the games then charging people to play on them. We provide the network, some servers and tourneys. What games you play is then up to what you have bought yourself. the above is Wizzo [the guy who runs the I-Series.. so it only really affects LAN Cafes [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 09:34 16/6/2003	YOU CANT f*ING DO THAT ....as the property has been sold legally & as Hertz would be breaking no copyright laws or any other for that matter Ford can go p* up a rope. As far as im concerned this example should appy perfectly to Blizzard as LAN centres purchase individual copies dont make illegal copies, its the heating,lighting,electricity that the money the charge goes towards, therefore up to blizzard to prove otherwise against the 10,000's LAN centres worlwide. You know when you tick the box agreeing to you EULA? That's a legal contract. Shh. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Psy^ xtreme9.uk 09:37 16/6/2003	Smittins: If VALVe cared about CPL and stuff they'd make the game how the top level players wanted it, but they don't, they make it better for new players. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 09:44 16/6/2003	ppl playing at cpl level will continue to play cs cos theres nothing else they can play to earn as much money; they are more "tied" to the game than some weekend payer who plays 2 hours on a saturday afternoon and could easily buy bf1942 and get to the same level of ability in 3 weekends [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 10:02 16/6/2003	does this effect ESWC in any way? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 10:21 16/6/2003	hmm, also can i now not play tower defence at i17? :[ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 10:25 16/6/2003	*player [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiSSue 10:42 16/6/2003	fox clearly didnt read the quote i put [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kimble BLACKLiGHT 10:44 16/6/2003	This has been a problem for quite some time. The issue is not LAN parties per se. It is more aimed at Net cafe type establishments. The problem really stems from the likes of Blockbuster and other 'rental' situations. Why should Mr Blockbuster spend £30 on one game and then rent it out repeatedly and make money exploiting someone elses intellectual property. He should be made to pay a high price so the developer and publisher are compensated for their work. I don't think you need to worry about not being able to play Warcraft 3 at I19 or whereever. The only people that should be worried are net cafe owners who 'rent' out games without a rental license. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 10:57 16/6/2003	Nazg0l - constructive criticism and comments are welcome, flaming and swearing to get your point accros - aren't! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 10:58 16/6/2003	your absolutly right tissue [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 11:10 16/6/2003	So what happens if the LAN is free and sposnsors pay to run the event instead, hence constituting no party members paying for rental space and a gap in the loophold [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kimble BLACKLiGHT 11:32 16/6/2003	It's the rental of games without paying rental stock prices that is the problem. Net cafes have been taking the p*** for a long time. Do not worry about your Lan parties, they are not going to be affected. Neither is CPL, WCG etc etc.. Do not take a EULA too seriously. They are very formulaic and are there to cover all bases. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ProdiGy 11:34 16/6/2003	I can see where Blizzard are coming from but there always ways to bend the rules ( UKT ) ! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Daishi 11:45 16/6/2003	The people I know who play war3/sc for a living have never heard of this, neither have the organisers of these events. This post is extrapolating a clause in the EULA to sound shocking, when that clause has been in there for 5 years. It is enforced to make people pay licenses in gaming centers, or to stop them making mods then selling them. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Laurence 12:46 16/6/2003	when was the last time blizzard police forced raided a lan? whose sad enough to not only know this law but to enforce it? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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	Geordie Last Chance 22:42 15/6/2003	Harsh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tang0^ 22:43 15/6/2003	wtf, nobs. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	t0m 22:43 15/6/2003	harsh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	t0m 22:44 15/6/2003	wtf doood [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	zeLL unicon.cs 22:44 15/6/2003	lucky i dont play wc3 :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 22:45 15/6/2003	lol f***in idiots would never happen to cs, lan events like the cpl are a big part of it being so successful and is CS2 valves money ticket along with Hl2 :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Scam 22:47 15/6/2003	I remember there being an article somewhere stating that in the small print Valve actually have the same thing - yet they dont enforce it. Should they choose to... : [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 22:48 15/6/2003	Scam - that's what the gotFrag? article (3 parts) explore, will VALVe ever exercise their right like Blizzard are doing. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 22:50 15/6/2003	lol it takes the p*** that companies can charge 30 quid for a small silver disc and a licence to play the game contained on it and still expect money from ppl playing the game at a lan event [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	StrideR^ 22:50 15/6/2003	lol :X [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	StriKeN unicon.cs 22:51 15/6/2003	LAMERS f*** head!!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	silva` ForsakeN 22:52 15/6/2003	lol ul [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	yates 22:52 15/6/2003	money hungry noobs [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	The Oracle Lord of t3h b0ys UKTerrorist 22:54 15/6/2003	I can see where Blizzard is coming from here; do you think it's fair that Blizzard makes a game and then people who own LANs - who had absolutely nothing to do with making the game - charge money for people to play the game? It's kind of like radio stations (not internet radio), the station has to pay so much to play the song. It's not really fair to Blizzard (or any other game company for that matter) that this kind of stuff happens. Maybe you all should try to understand why Blizzard did what they did, instead of just saying "f*ing cks". -The Oracle [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 22:56 15/6/2003	calling them f*ing cks is so much more staisfying ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	The Oracle Lord of t3h b0ys UKTerrorist 22:56 15/6/2003	lol [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	silicon 22:57 15/6/2003	I can see where they are coming from, and I agree with it. I don't like it, but I agree with it. We're not paying for the game twice... if you pay to go play it at LAN you havn't already bought the game (unless of course you have bought the game, but that won't affect you the consumer... it affects the LAN owner). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rich 22:58 15/6/2003	Well, if they charged 5 quid for the game in the first place, like a music CD single, then that comparison would work. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	yates 22:59 15/6/2003	cafes have got to pay a lot to get a copy for each comptuer to get a unique key dont see why should have to buy a license as well [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Carzy 23:02 15/6/2003	so if i have a LAN at my house for 4-6 peeps and we play warcraft 3 i have to pay blizzard to play? f*** that, they can come round my house if they feel so strongly bout it [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rich 23:03 15/6/2003	you would only if you charged the people to use your LAN . [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	The Oracle Lord of t3h b0ys UKTerrorist 23:04 15/6/2003	Carzy - From what I understand, Blizzard only makes the LAN owner pay them if the owner is charging his customers. I don't think it applies if you're just playing with friends and not charging money. -The Oracle [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:05 15/6/2003	Oracle the LAN centres do pay for one license per every computer the game is installed on as royalties for the game. I think this is a step to far however. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	jD 23:07 15/6/2003	Oracle when we getting some more Herman Chambers chronicles? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 23:10 15/6/2003	this is ridiculous [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	hihi zebras 23:10 15/6/2003	thats pretty weak :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 23:10 15/6/2003	or l33t h4x0r skin packs? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	The Oracle Lord of t3h b0ys UKTerrorist 23:11 15/6/2003	Quite soon, jD... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SunShip 23:11 15/6/2003	any idea on how much a licence is?. i think it'll only affect large corperations like CPL. Be a bit like when you ask mates round for a cards nite and say "are we playing for money?" " oh No Better make it match sticks as ita against the law". [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 23:13 15/6/2003	I can see it from Blizzard's POV, i.e. that LAN centres are making money from their game unscrupulously. Why not charge? At the end of the day it's their f***ing game and their hard work coded it, the fact that people can make money off of something you worked hard on without you seeing a penny would be very annoying if it happened to you. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 23:13 15/6/2003	would never happen to cs, lan events like the cpl are a big part of it being so successful and is CS2 valves money ticket along with Hl2 :) Don't be too sure. You honestly think CS is so successful because of lan events like the CPL?..CPL started using CS because it was so successful not the other way around. CS makes hardly any money from the CPL at all. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rich 23:19 15/6/2003	lan centres dont souly make money from the games they have; they dont have to pay AMD more because punters use their PCs cos they're faster than their home PCs, and the idea of that is rediculous. Greed! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SunShip 23:20 15/6/2003	But then its like someone buy a Diesel 5 door saloon from Ford, Then ford wanting money back when the guy who bought it used it for a mini cab. A little harsh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rich 23:21 15/6/2003	Exactly! First thing you've ever said I agree with SunShip, well done old chap. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:22 15/6/2003	but it is a computer game, you cannot extrapolate it to these metaphors you are using. It juxdaposes the idea, Ford wouldn't ever do that as they didnt print something saying you couldn't do that + there are other costs i.e. maintenance of the car and petrol. This was in the EULA! - they have a legal right to do it whether right or wrong. I can understand both points of the argument and think it is a stupid idea on Blizzards part. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ocean Puk Kai 23:23 15/6/2003	Wait a sec, if that applies to HL and CS.. "C. You are entitled to use the Program [Half-Life] and New Materials [Counter-Strike] for your own personal use, but you are not entitled to: (i) sell or transfer reproductions of the Program to other parties in any way, nor to rent, lease or license the Program to others" When you rent a CS server, doesnt the host make money out of renting the CS server out to others? Or are licenses for servers already paid for? Forgive me if i'm wrong, but if i'm right that means we cant even play CS on a dedicated server that charges for services? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:25 15/6/2003	We can ocean, but if they enforce the EULA (this is specifically for HL im talking about) then technically no we cannot. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SunShip 23:26 15/6/2003	Dedicated server is like standalone download no licence [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 23:36 15/6/2003	Dev your sharp tonight witht he old delete button mate ;o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Slider` eSports.Edge 23:37 15/6/2003	was just about the reply to Nazgol's comment, but then i released it had been suddenly and mystersiouly removed.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:38 15/6/2003	Useless comments like that need removing. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 23:41 15/6/2003	and i am not the only one who deletes comments around here so don't jump to conclusions mr OTIS! :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dravicus 23:42 15/6/2003	valve could quite easily impose this same thing since valve and blizzard are both owned by the same company (vivendi) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	callous Specster 23:47 15/6/2003	would VALVe ever impose a similar thing? they better f***in not! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	callous Specster 23:47 15/6/2003	wow illegal lans omg! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rhyzz Nocturne 23:58 15/6/2003	never work, why put a LAN option in the game if you want people to pay for LAN? its just stupid. Its like taxing roads when you pay road tax for a car. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 00:00 16/6/2003	its conclusIVE Mr. Otis to you Dev. omgomgomgomg I CRACKED A FUNNY HAHAHA just call me phil ta. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Macca 00:16 16/6/2003	i doubt valve or sierra would do that [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Crappy Super Breasts 00:36 16/6/2003	Unfortunately Rhyzz I pay car tax and also now pay a toll every time I drive into London for the honour of sitting in traffic jams. Guess I'll also pay to play on a LAN (only for fun of course before pros like Lyo take the p***) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 00:41 16/6/2003	Don't be too sure. You honestly think CS is so successful because of lan events like the CPL?..CPL started using CS because it was so successful not the other way around. CS makes hardly any money from the CPL at all. i said its part of the popularity not the sole reason :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 00:41 16/6/2003	so if i have a LAN at my house for 4-6 peeps and we play warcraft 3 i have to pay blizzard to play? f*** that, they can come round my house if they feel so strongly bout it ^^ quality :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	emfive 00:43 16/6/2003	rob is a liar [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MagiciaN^ Jay Bee Eye! 00:48 16/6/2003	hahaha q3 will rise again [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 00:50 16/6/2003	are u suggesting its been anywhere but rock bottom? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Slider` eSports.Edge 00:51 16/6/2003	seems like a going a bit too far [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	m!lky fluid element 00:59 16/6/2003	and may all you WC3 players burn in hell.... or you could just melt away in this heat, OR WITH YER POT OF GOLD, BY AN ARMY AND BUILD A TENT AND SAVE YERSELVES. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	The Oracle Lord of t3h b0ys UKTerrorist 01:07 16/6/2003	Nazg0l, please don't flame, it's not nice and it could stun your growth. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	m!lky fluid element 01:13 16/6/2003	rofl? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smiffeh Game2XS.Monkey Magic 01:51 16/6/2003	Harsh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nazg0l fightclubclan 02:55 16/6/2003	yes i would hate for my growth to be "stunned"... morons... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Moff sykotic 07:29 16/6/2003	Its a joke tbh, its like Ford selling cars, reliasing that Hertz motor rental are making money from renting there cars to a third party, so they decide to charge Hertz an additional fee......oh wait....YOU CANT f*ING DO THAT ....as the property has been sold legally & as Hertz would be breaking no copyright laws or any other for that matter Ford can go p* up a rope. As far as im concerned this example should appy perfectly to Blizzard as LAN centres purchase individual copies dont make illegal copies, its the heating,lighting,electricity that the money the charge goes towards, therefore up to blizzard to prove otherwise against the 10,000's LAN centres worlwide. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	VGA 08:28 16/6/2003	Just to clear a couple of things up, I was at an iGames USA conference in May when this was discussed. The easiest thing to do is look at the Ts & Cs of any computer game. It always says something like "you are not allowed to commercially exploit the Intellectual Property of this software without the express permission of..." bla bla bla. This means that you cant charge people to play the game, even if you have original copies of the game on your LAN. Now iGames around the world are fighting against this as every other Publisher provides this LAN License for free to iGames. Basically, they want a piece of the action. iGames would like to invoice Blizzard for all the free marketing and exposure having these titles installed in Gaming centres provides, and the many gamers who buy the game as a result of a quick play in a centre, but I dont think they would agree! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Antmoo 08:46 16/6/2003	I'm going to phone up Mr. Blizzard and tell him where he can stick his license. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 09:24 16/6/2003	If valve did start to charge for cs and cpl dropped it, it'd be a welcome move. About time a less random game took its place ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiSSue 09:33 16/6/2003	There is a big difference between someone charging you to play a game on their machine, i.e. directly profiting in an "arcade style", and a LAN where the organisers are merely providing a connection and it is up to the punters to play what they have on their own machines. Vivendi already have such terms in their EULA that affects gaming cafes, who pay them between £4-12 a month per computer with CS installed. When we spoke to Vivendi about this they said that LAN parties were not intended to be covered by this, as clearly they are a different type of service entirely. In essence, at LAN parties we're not providing the games then charging people to play on them. We provide the network, some servers and tourneys. What games you play is then up to what you have bought yourself. the above is Wizzo [the guy who runs the I-Series.. so it only really affects LAN Cafes [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nick^ 09:34 16/6/2003	YOU CANT f*ING DO THAT ....as the property has been sold legally & as Hertz would be breaking no copyright laws or any other for that matter Ford can go p* up a rope. As far as im concerned this example should appy perfectly to Blizzard as LAN centres purchase individual copies dont make illegal copies, its the heating,lighting,electricity that the money the charge goes towards, therefore up to blizzard to prove otherwise against the 10,000's LAN centres worlwide. You know when you tick the box agreeing to you EULA? That's a legal contract. Shh. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Psy^ xtreme9.uk 09:37 16/6/2003	Smittins: If VALVe cared about CPL and stuff they'd make the game how the top level players wanted it, but they don't, they make it better for new players. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 09:44 16/6/2003	ppl playing at cpl level will continue to play cs cos theres nothing else they can play to earn as much money; they are more "tied" to the game than some weekend payer who plays 2 hours on a saturday afternoon and could easily buy bf1942 and get to the same level of ability in 3 weekends [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 10:02 16/6/2003	does this effect ESWC in any way? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 10:21 16/6/2003	hmm, also can i now not play tower defence at i17? :[ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 10:25 16/6/2003	*player [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiSSue 10:42 16/6/2003	fox clearly didnt read the quote i put [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kimble BLACKLiGHT 10:44 16/6/2003	This has been a problem for quite some time. The issue is not LAN parties per se. It is more aimed at Net cafe type establishments. The problem really stems from the likes of Blockbuster and other 'rental' situations. Why should Mr Blockbuster spend £30 on one game and then rent it out repeatedly and make money exploiting someone elses intellectual property. He should be made to pay a high price so the developer and publisher are compensated for their work. I don't think you need to worry about not being able to play Warcraft 3 at I19 or whereever. The only people that should be worried are net cafe owners who 'rent' out games without a rental license. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Dev theb0g 10:57 16/6/2003	Nazg0l - constructive criticism and comments are welcome, flaming and swearing to get your point accros - aren't! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 10:58 16/6/2003	your absolutly right tissue [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 11:10 16/6/2003	So what happens if the LAN is free and sposnsors pay to run the event instead, hence constituting no party members paying for rental space and a gap in the loophold [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kimble BLACKLiGHT 11:32 16/6/2003	It's the rental of games without paying rental stock prices that is the problem. Net cafes have been taking the p*** for a long time. Do not worry about your Lan parties, they are not going to be affected. Neither is CPL, WCG etc etc.. Do not take a EULA too seriously. They are very formulaic and are there to cover all bases. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ProdiGy 11:34 16/6/2003	I can see where Blizzard are coming from but there always ways to bend the rules ( UKT ) ! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Daishi 11:45 16/6/2003	The people I know who play war3/sc for a living have never heard of this, neither have the organisers of these events. This post is extrapolating a clause in the EULA to sound shocking, when that clause has been in there for 5 years. It is enforced to make people pay licenses in gaming centers, or to stop them making mods then selling them. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Laurence 12:46 16/6/2003	when was the last time blizzard police forced raided a lan? whose sad enough to not only know this law but to enforce it? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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