BWCSL Update

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	LordOfBlood 12:01 26/1/2003	lmao [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Antmoo 12:04 26/1/2003	bit of a bugger for them.. :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 12:06 26/1/2003	lol starting a league without checking everyone had paid was a bit silly really ;o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	St_George g30rg3h UKTerrorist 12:18 26/1/2003	#kru are too skanky, sorry bout that :) i just wouldnt pay a tenner to play a game. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	t0m 12:18 26/1/2003	:P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Headshot^Man` Disturbed 12:29 26/1/2003	going pear shaped!!! :] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MadSpunk Last Chance 12:33 26/1/2003	it feels like somethings heatin up, can I leave wit you [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Grom^ 12:33 26/1/2003	good luck erm, you'll need it!! hmm... wait [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gristy 12:39 26/1/2003	gogo opiate :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rhyzz Nocturne 12:41 26/1/2003	4Kings win the BWCSL Season 1843274732 !!! cant picture it really, maybe miracles should join and crush everyone... ................................. .......... .......................................................... .... .................................................... .......................................................... ..................................... ok- going work cya [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gryff 12:53 26/1/2003	Out of 64 clans, 13 have dropped out. Tbfh, for something thats just gone P2P thats pretty damn good. Most services that do that lose > 50% of people who say they will pay. Wp BW tbh, f* off the whinging c*s who just freeload :-] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smiffeh Game2XS.Monkey Magic 13:09 26/1/2003	they lost most of the good clans though [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Necroboy fightclubclan 13:10 26/1/2003	Can anyone get fcc 60 quid and we will enter! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LordOfBlood 13:11 26/1/2003	maybe fcc can ? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ed 13:30 26/1/2003	is it 10 quid per person? wot a rip off if it is [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	RtG 13:35 26/1/2003	Not much at all is it? Isn't the average age of cs players supposed to be about 24? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 13:35 26/1/2003	for 3 seasons ed? and for all the extra webhosting and crap you get with each account? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ed 13:55 26/1/2003	fair enough, thought it was just to enter league [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Aardvark theb0g 14:06 26/1/2003	Yeah its not exactly a league entry fee, its more a subs only league. The bonus is that subs is paid for annually, so you get 3 seasons of the league for your 60 quid, as well as all the other BW gubbins. Bargain! :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LordOfBlood 14:07 26/1/2003	Also its the best league in the country organisation / server wise. Its worth at least 60 quid a person if you as k me ;) LoB [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	deebo@work 14:11 26/1/2003	Kinda strange starting without checking whos paid what wasnt it ? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gryff 14:16 26/1/2003	some clans said they were going to pay or had paid, but hadnt. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Liqqy 14:18 26/1/2003	oi SA didnt pay? they (we) were talking about joining it for aaaaaaaaages [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LordOfBlood 14:36 26/1/2003	Liq the OLD SA team ie me u g ser plaz etc were gonna join but then we folded. However I was still the contact for bwcsl and i forgot to tell the NEW team Scrap Junks Arsen etc that they had to pay :) So it was my fault really. doh. LoB [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	T 14:42 26/1/2003	its blatantly worth it, but a lot of clans wont have the means to pay for it due no credit card, not enough pocket money etc [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NukeMasta 15:17 26/1/2003	its a bit expensive to say it was free last season. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 15:21 26/1/2003	it costs nothing to say it was free last season it was free last season didn't cost me a thing [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Magic^^ 15:31 26/1/2003	u typed it with "s i dont beleive u really said such a costly phrase [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 15:43 26/1/2003	no i didn't [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SuperNick 15:54 26/1/2003	Out of 64 clans, 13 have dropped out. Tbfh, for something thats just gone P2P thats pretty damn good. Most services that do that lose > 50% of people who say they will pay. Wp BW tbh, f* off the whinging cs who just freeload :-] bit of a difference to "whining c**s" who "freeload" to a greedy company who expects people to pay for a service which is free at 10000000 other places around UK. Online rpgs cost money each month for the fact of the quality of service you get. You get monthly updates, help when you require it, guarenteed there will be no cheaters (cheats get their accounts closed and are easily spottable, naturally) and quality server connections. You pay for BW, you get fecking bookable servers, public servers, 20mb of webhosting and some crappy web email.. Also, the rtcw league doesn't cost any money, yet the cs one does? The clans who paid are a bit ripped off. Paying to play online cs (yeah online cs is amazing!) for no real benefit even if you win, and no other games charging for their league. gg. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 15:56 26/1/2003	sorry sn, i forgot you knew what the prizes were [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SuperNick 15:56 26/1/2003	dunno havent been to the site in so long, its a server i think for rtcw so presumed for cs, enlighten me. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 15:58 26/1/2003	I'm sure bw will announce them soon enough [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LordOfBlood 15:58 26/1/2003	Ripper the prizes were not exactly well publicised :) LoB [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Aardvark theb0g 16:01 26/1/2003	I'm sure if you REALLY wanted me to I could get Rogue1 to give you all the reasons why p2p is a good idea, and why the league would be essentially f***ed without the changes. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	emfive 16:03 26/1/2003	Money/Hardware prizes afaik. The RTCW server might be because the RTCW comp isnt payed for [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hitt0r 16:47 26/1/2003	im supprised at SA :E especially just after the old skool members stopped it from folding, its a shame :s never mind GL lads [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 16:50 26/1/2003	lol yeah BW are gonna makes LOADS of money charging a clan £60 for 3 years. Hardly gready. They will barely cover costs. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hitt0r 16:52 26/1/2003	Yeah true otis & it keeps the serious clans playing serious clans rather than a new clan with old faces who split after 2-3 months & form another clan. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DooMeh Lite 16:56 26/1/2003	i 4ght it was 60 quid annually? which covers 3 seasons of bwcsl not 3 years, i cud be wrong tho :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hitt0r 17:00 26/1/2003	The much-awaited clan-subscription scheme, which will allow a clan to pay for the five subs accounts they need to enter BWCSL for a whole year in a single £60 chunk is now online. You can buy your subs this way by going to here and following the instructions. I understand that the part about finding your TeamID might be a little confusing for some, but don't worry. I'll shortly be doing a mail to all of the "interested" clans explaining this system and I'm available on IRC to answer your questions about it. Please note that there's still a manual-checking element involved in the team-subs system, so unlike regular individual subs, they won't be enabled instantly. However, by all accounts, the checking process should not take more than a few hours. from http://leagues.barrysworld.net/bwcsl/index.php [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rd theb0g 17:13 26/1/2003	i wish khaos wud hurry and join anotha clan or sum 4k split or sumit, so we hav sum good news 2 post on :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hitt0r 17:16 26/1/2003	i believe he is playing for his old clan #mmx.cs , dont hold me to that though... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Liqqy 17:17 26/1/2003	Hit, TBH more oldskool than ME SA can;t be... anyways, i wanted to say something which i now kinda forgot [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Scrappy Sniper's Alley 17:17 26/1/2003	The reason for us backing out is that we are now doubtfull that we can feild a full team on tuesdays. If it was a thurs it would be a different matter. Seems silly to pay £60 if some weeks we can't feild a team. See you lads in the next season eh :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hitt0r 17:18 26/1/2003	lol liq daft sod :) come in #soda n chat [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Liqqy 17:20 26/1/2003	oh yea k now i know, htf cant u afford like 10 quid for 3 months? i mean, lets say most kiddies here are 16-17 i used to get like 60-70 guilders a month back than... thats 20 quid... Its not that hard to not spend 20 quid in a month, and keep back like 3.333333333 so u can mail 10 quid for 3 months.... unless u're like all living in a gutter and get like 20p a month allowence :s + dont u guys have savings from when u were litte and u bought f*** all? like i had 80 quid or so when i was 10-11 on my bankaccount..... gaaaaah [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hitt0r 17:23 26/1/2003	i found £1 on the way to school 8 years back :D liq read scrappys post u narna! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Liqqy 17:27 26/1/2003	cough take me back on cough [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	deebo Mel Gibson UKTerrorist 17:40 26/1/2003	give it up eh Liq, face it mate, your just s*** ;) Where u hangin out on IRC these days? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Liqqy 17:40 26/1/2003	i'm in like 20 IRC channels yet u cant find me??? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Liqqy 17:44 26/1/2003	k here goes. i'm in #armageddon.uk #bbq.cs #clan-gir #cs.gather.uk #esport-pro #lastchance #s3clan #snipers #seppuku #soda #so19 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Liqqy 17:44 26/1/2003	and SA privvy room which u should still know of. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NukeMasta 18:07 26/1/2003	im in with this really hot chick, wanna trade? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rogue1 18:55 26/1/2003	I'm sure if you REALLY wanted me to I could get Rogue1 to give you all the reasons why p2p is a good idea, and why the league would be essentially f***ed without the changes. Well... you didn't come track me down, but I may as well list those reasons again anyway. :) Basically, leagues cost money to run. Game servers cost money, bandwidth costs money and even the hosting for the website costs money. At this point, everybody usually cries "but sponsors will take care of it all". For those of you who hadn't noticed, online sponsorship is going down the drain pretty fast these days. Sure, a lot of leagues are getting by on it for the moment, but it's just not going to prove sustainable in the long run and I'd rather go through the difficult transitional phase we're in now, rather than later when our back truly is up against the wall? Why can't we survive on sponsorship etc? Surely we have our hardware already, so there shouldn't be any more "big" expenses. It'd be nice if this was true, but sadly, each new CS version pushes up the server requirements. Our old servers were fine in the days of CS1.3. They kinda managed in 1.4. Those of you who played last season will remember what a joke they could be in 1.5. I dread to think what 1.6 would do to them; without seriously improved servers, we'd have been looking at folding.. By the end of last season, we had our servers running in a stripped-down, minimalist config with no anti-cheat and no option of even thinking about WWCL. In these suspicious times, an online CS league can't really credibly continue like that. This means we need new hardware. With pay-to-play, we've got new hardware, and our servers are now fine. I accept a lot of people can't afford to or don't want to pay to play in the league. That's fine. I'm not going to cry "freeloader" or anything like that, since it's not my job to tell you how you should be spending your money. However, before you accuse us of "greed" and "being tight", remember that the day-to-day operation of the league is run by unpaid volunteers and that GAME and Barrysworld need to make money if they want to continue operating. Companies trying to make a bit of money is nothing new and it's something I'm sure you're all used to and take for granted in other areas of your life. As I say, if you don't think pay-to-play is your thing, don't do it. There are, for the moment, plenty of other free leagues around. However, I think with the new prizes and the better servers, not to mention the whole other range of BW services, that it's not really such a bad deal. As always, I don't speak on behalf of BW. I'm just an unpaid volunteer, not an employee, and my opinions are not necessarily those of BW/GAME. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 19:36 26/1/2003	go Rogue go Rogue! BWCSL is the best league currently around imo. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Kapppy 20:00 26/1/2003	erm and what r these prices? saw the start of a forum wher u say near the end that there "may be prizes". ive also seen the email sent out the all participating clans in season 5 where u say there will be prizes but no mention as to what they r? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Aardvark theb0g 21:51 26/1/2003	Well... you didn't come track me down, but I may as well list those reasons again anyway. :) Like I needed to track you down, just saying what I did was enough to invoke you :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	G4cE 23:01 26/1/2003	i feel i gotta stick my oar in here. GiR have been in a ton of leagues over the last 3 years, but without a shadow of a doubt bwcsl has been the best ran and most rewarding for us. Yes there are plenty of other leagues out there, but a lot are either: a) arrange the games urself with other clans - look at CSVS so far this year. there into week 2 and are allready behind schedule. b) ladders - yay. c) try and be like bwcsl and have a schedule. With the exception of savage cs league, i think the rest can't offer such an exerienced fun league to be a part of. As to the subscriptions, yer i was a bit doubtful at first, but after playing on the servers in week 1, i can tell it is money well spent. They were fast with low pings, the bullets registered fine and they had wwcl plugin running also. They also had HLTV running on every server, as well as scorebots in irc. Last season the servers were a joke tbh, no offence intended rogue1 :) So yer, if ur clan cba to gather £60 between you, for aproximately 3 seasons of the UK's best online league, then thats your bad luck. But insulting bwcsl because you begrudge spending some of your pocket money is just sad. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gryff 23:11 26/1/2003	btw, anyone who even dares name JCSL as a competitor is quite frankly taking the p***. They claim to be a 40 clan P2P league at a tenner a season ( half that of Bw's, but do they give you webhosting, and 20 hours of bookable time a week for that price? ) They actually only have 30. How many does BW have? Intened to be 64, with 13 drop outs so far. Thats still 51 clans competing, and some replacements will be found, so probably around 55/60. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 01:37 27/1/2003	it will get bigger too, the clans that have paid will still be there in 2 seasons (in theory) more should sign up as the league goes on so long as it keeps getting good reports [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 10:12 27/1/2003	Plenty of people including me are already BW subscribers anyway, because 12 quid a year is good value for what you get, even without the league. Jolt are taking the p* if they expect people to pay 10 quid just to play in a league (and get nothing else), especially with the s*e 1 month server rental "prizes". Jolt = out to make a few bob Barrys = Trying to build a community [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Keef 10:32 27/1/2003	First off, wp to BWCSL, i'm glad the p2p tranisition seems to be working, It's one of the (if not the) most popular and well run CS leagues in the UK - my hat goes off to you. Second (in reply to the comments) Jolt's first season WAS 40 clans, but due to some c**kups and serious staff shortages untill i took control of the league last month, we'd been 11 months in suspension scince the previous season. Why run with 32 clans then? Because some clans had paid 2 months previously and it was unfair to wait longer, i decided to run the season with slightly smaller divisions (the only real diviison affected by this was the premiership) Why £10? £10/season/clan isn't a lot of money, not when you get 8-10 scheduled games and the chance of winning one of the prizes - which i might add, are PAID for by the subscription, no fee, no prizes. No entry fee also leads to time wasters, who default every week, or who attempt to break rules, who's pays to cheat etc..... Jolt makes no net profit from entry to the league as ALL the money goes to the prizes, which means that running the website/servers/bandwidth all costs jolt money..... Btw, i might add that like Rogue1, i'm an unpaid volunteer, as is my admin team, and i do this out of some twisted love for the community and the game rather than to "Make a few bob"..... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 15:24 27/1/2003	Later than expected, here's what you're competing for this season! Premiership & Division One - 16 player Full international Jolt Clanserver. Division Two & Division Three - 12 player Full international Jolt Clanserver. (One month rentals...) So the prize for Division one has a value of £85 according to your website, and for 2 and 3 £75 each (presuming they're not passworded, which would make them £10 cheaper). [strong]Total prize value of £235 £10 each from 32 entering clans = £320[/strong] So, where does that £95 go? And before you tell me it's for the expense of running the league, perhaps I should mention that £235 is what jolt retail them for, and they must cost jolt a lot less. A very, very conservative estimate would be it costs jolt 2/3 of the retail cost to run them - so let's see, that's £156.67 Hmmm, so going by that, Jolt will make over 160 quid from running the league, and let's not forget that the if the clans are given servers free for one month, it wouldn't be unreallistic to think that more than one of them would continue with it after, paying full price, much like those junkmail offers where they tempt people to join book clubs by letting people pay only 30p for the books in their first order. The league is non profit, my arse. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Keef 15:35 27/1/2003	75 * 2 = 150 85 * 2 = 170 150+170= 320 Not that hard is it? (and btw, there were 3 free entries this season for winners of last season) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Offspr1ng 16:50 27/1/2003	gogo maths skillz Del! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 17:19 27/1/2003	i wish khaos wud hurry and join anotha clan or sum 4k split or sumit, so we hav sum good news 2 post on :D thats wot i was thinking, will you have my babies plz? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Otis Rush! 17:52 27/1/2003	Del have you ever had a job? If so you would know how insignificant £160 is for running something over a period of a year is... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Del` Sniper's Alley 18:40 27/1/2003	lol, oh dear. whoops and whoops again. I'll have to put that down to the length of time I'd been up when I posted that... Otis though, do you often drop a £20 note on the floor and think "oh, I won't bother to pick it up, because it's so insignificant compared to my annual salary" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N38` 11:59 28/1/2003	£60 per team for three seasons over 5-10 players per clan, playing on mint servers with HLTV and prizes, who can complain.. Oh you can go play in the 4u CSL with s* servers and s* admins if u want. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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