Cliffe Interview

Posted by NoToRiOuS at 14:28 13/1/2004.

Over at GotFrag, Anomoly has conducted an interview with Valve's Jess Cliffe. They discuss the way CS has developed over the years, from being a beta downloaded by 50 people to the world's most popular game. However, most importantly is the information at the bottom. In response to the community and Shaguar's article, Cliffe reveals that Valve will change the money system in CS.

• Disabled round timer when bomb is planted

• Winning defensive team now gets the same amount of money whether they win by round timeout or not ($3250 instead of $2000)

• Players on the offensive team who survive the round due to a round timeout no longer receive money the next round

• Terrorist team now gets an additional +$800 per player if they plant the bomb but still lose the round

Some very interesting changes, especially the last two. One wonders how the community will react to the changes. Read the full interview over on GotFrag.

Comments

unicon
14:32 13/1/2004
tremendous! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
hihi
zebras
14:33 13/1/2004
maybe they could fix the smoke bug whilest there messing around with the money system o/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Valar
14:34 13/1/2004
way to steal my thunder noto :| [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
crim
14:34 13/1/2004
"Disabled round timer when bomb is planted"

what's the point? People just use a nextwish c4 timing script. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NoToRiOuS
2 COOL 4 SKOOL
UKTerrorist
14:35 13/1/2004
no what they mean, is when u plant say on 2:59 before the round would time out and CT's would win...

However now, the timer will stop and the bomb will carry on ticking and CT's HAVE TO defuse to win... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
crim
14:36 13/1/2004
:o thats quite cool [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
crim
14:38 13/1/2004
question - is that next wish timer legal ? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
HeNdie
Void
14:40 13/1/2004
when is the update! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
cobbeh
fluid element
14:41 13/1/2004
NoTo NoTo NoTo NoTo :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hotshot
Choke
14:49 13/1/2004
go go gadget objectives! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hotshot
Choke
14:54 13/1/2004
so judging from that interview we just need some pro c**k to write a 40 page article on how crap the shield is and its gone. joy. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
TeNeBrAe
precise
15:00 13/1/2004
hehe [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
St_George
g30rg3h
UKTerrorist
15:05 13/1/2004
big it up one time cl03f [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Valar
15:08 13/1/2004
twice this year already one of my columns has been owned by a (late) news post :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Del`
Sniper's Alley
15:19 13/1/2004
sounds great! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Undone^
ForsakeN
15:36 13/1/2004
crim
14:38, 13/1/2004 question - is that next wish timer legal ?
i think its illegal, it gives you an unfair advantage over other players.
plus its new, you cant use it at lans so why bother? :}

HeNdie, think they said update would be on 17th. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Scrappy
Sniper's Alley
15:50 13/1/2004
Welcome changes for once. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Genics
thed0n
15:53 13/1/2004
ne1 pld new leak of cz? all the textures of the maps have been changed, all really plain, and u shud see the gun models and sounds lol [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Samje
16:03 13/1/2004
Has anyone seen the X-Box version? ooo dear. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
FragMentor
16:12 13/1/2004
Players on the offensive team who survive the round due to a round timeout no longer receive money the next round

hahaha watch cts run away and forcing terrorists to type kill in console with 5 seconds round time left! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Genics
thed0n
16:31 13/1/2004
nah because they can still plant with 1sec to go [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Purple
16:44 13/1/2004
Also CT can no longer run away and hide with 35 seconds to go. Have to defend to the last. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
FragMentor
16:51 13/1/2004
this will definitely force the game to quicken up slightly altho it does make it a lot more predictable as to wat a t will do in a 1v1 situation.

lets just hope the community starts using 2 min rounds instead of 3 when the update is released. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Valar
16:54 13/1/2004
you mean he'll try n kill the ct/plant the bomb as opposed to hiding in a dark corner?

i dunno about you but that sort of predictable play i can live with [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
KaM
17:04 13/1/2004
yes he will attempt to achieve the goals of the de_ style map as set out by the instructions provided, predictable cvnts! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sabian
xternaL
17:07 13/1/2004
lol ur funneh [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dh
17:08 13/1/2004
Nice changes [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
CaLe
ImaGine
17:10 13/1/2004
nice, wish i had more time to play cs [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Carvell
17:24 13/1/2004
why not fix the things that REALLY matter, ie shields, steam being s***e and not being able to delete ur favourites.

My favourites list is almost as big as Gaz's cfg ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
$aVa$
ImaGine
17:31 13/1/2004
sounds all good, for once :) apparently the update is tomoz hendo

ps ilu cale :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Gilga
17:32 13/1/2004
hmm does timer stop soon as u start to plant, or when bomb is actually planted? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Gilga
17:35 13/1/2004
shields dont need fixing, they need removing, but that aint gonna happen so just ignore em.

Steam runs fine, and not being able to delete ur favourites is hardly a big problem lol.

Things that do need fixing are demo problems, including smoke bug. Oh yeah I wish they'd fix HLTV aswell, picture in picture is to big so when someone zooms in its f***s up. Plus duck dont close the menu anymore so u cant change target with mouse once picture in picture is up. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Righteous
Clan ONE
17:37 13/1/2004
fix the f***ing smoke bug, get rid of the shield and ban Nego from throwing flashbangs.

also why does my fecking CS FAVs list keep reappearing all the time, i cant escape all the servers. Got like 30 now :(( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
xerpt
reaL1ty
17:39 13/1/2004
Gilga if u duble dap your duck button you can select people using the mouse [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Righteous
Clan ONE
17:39 13/1/2004
fix the f***ing smoke bug, get rid of the shield and ban Nego from throwing flashbangs.

also why does my fecking CS FAVs list keep reappearing all the time, i cant escape all the servers. Got like 30 now :(( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Gilga
17:42 13/1/2004
that dont work for me, I press duck and menu comes up and only way I can get rid of it is clicking close with mouse.

Talking about fixes tho I just read 1 on Gotfrag that I've been wanting done for ages, change the radar its a f***ing nightmare to see it on any bright map, especially with my gamma =P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
commentmaster
17:43 13/1/2004
the favorites problem is a big deal imo... p***es ppl of having to delete them all put ip in then having to do it for the next ip... its small but annoying, like your room mate leaving the bog seat up after a dump. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Gilga
17:43 13/1/2004
actually steam does need fixing, it uses too much memory and keeps using it when u close windows unless u minimise them and right click close em. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Necroboy
fightclubclan
17:48 13/1/2004
I hope valve just leaves the game as it is now. We all know that with every fix comes another f*** up. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Chris0
17:51 13/1/2004
Get CTs running away from Ts now [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
17:55 13/1/2004
Gilga
17:32, 13/1/2004 hmm does timer stop soon as u start to plant, or when bomb is actually planted?

be a bit silly if it stopped when u STARTED to plant, coz u cud just stop planting and u wuda delayed the timer, or u cud get shot while planting and the timer wud get stuck/delayed, so logically its when the bomb is planted? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
17:58 13/1/2004
and favourites does need fixing, its f***ing annoying! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Gilga
18:14 13/1/2004
use ASE! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
18:21 13/1/2004
if I connect to a server using ASE then leave the server and quit halflife/cs, my pc reboots on its own YAY! =[ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MadBarry
18:27 13/1/2004
You can just use ASE or hLSW but thats hardly the point; Steam has been designed for gaming without the use of other software so they may as well at least make it f***ing work properly; I can barely tell which server i just added for a match now it's well irritating [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Shaw
18:32 13/1/2004
i think u'll still get time outs...
not all the time outs are eco based...

if it was a last man left in a 4v1... and he's got an awp.. and rest will be able to afford ak's next round with losing money etc.. he'll hold awp cos he doesnt need money next round... its only the player that lives that doesnt get money... rest of his team do.. as they died :x [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Lynx
precise
18:54 13/1/2004
nobody else think it's kinda wierd? terrorist getting punished with having no money for staying alive? :P

yeh yeh, before u say anything, i get that it's to speed the game up. Should be interesting to see how ppl cope with it

but i agree that they need to sort those f***in favs list out :< [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Valar
19:05 13/1/2004
no the terrorist is getting punished for being a p***y b***h who won't achieve his objective. what do you think osama would say if one of his suicide bombers didn't set himself off just cos his mates had been killed? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Crappy
Super Breasts
19:11 13/1/2004
All great apart from
• Players on the offensive team who survive the round due to a round timeout no longer receive money the next round
imo.

What if with 20 or so seconds to go the sole remaining to only has a glock and the majority of the ct are alive and fully tooled up. All the ct have to do is hide together and NOT kill him so he gets no cash for next round. If he plants then it should be easy for ct to win (unless it's my clan of course!).

I can see a few instances of "honest mr admin, i fell off that wall 5 times in a row by accident" [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Crappy
Super Breasts
19:12 13/1/2004
sole remaining t*

/clubs self on head [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ablation
contact!
19:34 13/1/2004
Well if he plants the terrorists get $800 extra each, so I'm not sure what the problem is :S [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
19:39 13/1/2004
Ablation saves the day [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Chris0
19:51 13/1/2004
They should just give money for the person who plants the bomb, and put ff on at start of rnd :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
FragMentor
19:55 13/1/2004
thank gawd i dont mix with u chris0 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
-Naz-
fightclubclan
19:57 13/1/2004
i only use steam for the friends function and the server browser, both of which are incredibly buggy and badly coded. i think they shouldve sorted all this s*** out before it was released. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Valar
20:57 13/1/2004
like they should have made cs work before they released the retail version? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ZaG
Online Multiplayer Gaming
21:24 13/1/2004
screw fixing steam, someone fix my tinternet ! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Fox
ClanNEW
21:41 13/1/2004
sounds like fun, now all thats needed is a total rewrite of CS for HL2 engine and it might be playable again. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Mango
22:32 13/1/2004
You can delete the servers in your favourites, you have to locate these files in your steam/config directory and delete masterservers.vdf and serverbrowser.vdf and _maybe_ the clientregistary.blob. I say maybe because I notitced this happened when I installed the MOD Project-Timeless and all my favourites had magickally disappeared, okay it's not the most refined of solutions but it works, so you can use it until valve fix the problem.

These changes arn't going to stop round outs, shaw just gave the perfect example as to why it won't, to remove timeouts you have to remove every incentive to camp the round out. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Choke|MaT
Choke
23:27 13/1/2004
sounds good. Less double ecos for being ambitious [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ONE|Strikes
23:46 13/1/2004
cliff blow me u c**k [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dh
00:09 14/1/2004
Suck my penii strikes [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Weebull
01:09 14/1/2004
You can delete the servers in your favourites, you have to locate these files in your steam/config directory and delete masterservers.vdf and serverbrowser.vdf and _maybe_ the clientregistary.blob. I say maybe because I notitced this happened when I installed the MOD Project-Timeless and all my favourites had magickally disappeared, okay it's not the most refined of solutions but it works, so you can use it until valve fix the problem.
Actually, if you don't want to lose all the favourites you DO want, you can read carefully through the serverbrowser.vdf file, and delete any servers you don't want (admittedly it's hard to read). I did this, and my favs list is back how I want it. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
-Naz-
fightclubclan
03:48 14/1/2004
My balls ahahahaha [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
lor
10:08 14/1/2004
f00k [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Inferus
10:09 14/1/2004
Should make the game a lot different, with new tactics coming into play. :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Gilga
10:23 14/1/2004
I can delete servers from my favourites [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anisty-
Prozac
10:27 14/1/2004
the reason its probably all so utterly s***ty buggy is the steam code is meant to work with the hl2 and not the original hl engine but they're trying to be clever...

that's my guess anyway because otherwise i don't see how they can be so fecking useless [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Anisty-
Prozac
10:49 14/1/2004
from sogamed(stupified):

Amazingly, it seems they're finally going to fix
two longstanding problems.

The gist of my post was saying that the
transparent radar and weakly coloured sig/aug
zoomed xhairs weren't functional (I won't bother
posting the entire thing as it was quite big, you
can see it on the comments of that gotfrag article
if you care).

Cliffe's reply to my comment:

Re: #103

Great points. The Opaque radar and zoomed sig/aug
xhairs are next on my list. I agree that these are
things that we should have been fixed long ago...
should be in the Steam update next week.

So there we have it. Opaque (non-translucent)
radar and new zoomed sig/aug xhairs are on the
way.
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Gilga
11:59 14/1/2004
nice they're actually improving something [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Valar
12:47 14/1/2004
bout time they did the radar. my eyes are crippled (red/green defect) and trying to see a flashing red dot on a green background on a map like d2 is damn nr impossible.

couldnt care less about the aug/sig x-hairs tho. well not unless they do for those guns what they did for the auto snipers.... :D in which case watch out for yet more n00bs on the up and up :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Carvell
12:48 14/1/2004
nothing wrong with either the radar or the crosshairs i felt :] [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
`NWA
14:25 14/1/2004
I have to look at a dark place to see my radar or I just cant see the blobs on it. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Otis
Rush!
23:21 14/1/2004
ye the radar was annoying on d2 if you had a gamma over 0.1 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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