CPL Announce CS 1.6 as Primary Team Game

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	oldlady 16:13 16/8/2005	good stuff [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Sunman^ 16:18 16/8/2005	carec**k [ Score: -1, pointless \| Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	monkE euthanasia 16:28 16/8/2005	CPL LISTEN TO COMMUNITY, A PIG FLIES, GARY BARLOW MAKES COMEBACK [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fiskov 16:30 16/8/2005	WAHOO NO SOURCE..... OH PRAISE DA LORD.... NO SOURCE NO SOURCE YIPEEEE [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 16:30 16/8/2005	Wonder if Angel feels stupid for having touted CSS as 1.6's successor so soon and now having to go back on that? Just a shame the CSS community can't be swapped with 1.6's, then it'd be both superior game and superior community. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 16:34 16/8/2005	"CPL Listen to community" quite a dumb statement don't u think? You mean they listened to the cs 1.6 community who think source is a crap (different) game? I'm sure the CS: Source community are complaining at the CPL didn't listen to them [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fiskov 16:35 16/8/2005	true myers, but the cs souce community is a minority compared to 1.6 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 16:43 16/8/2005	And when I last checked, css community wasn't growing as much as 1.6's had been over the past 6 months. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fiskov 16:45 16/8/2005	I've been playing cs about 5 and a half years, I played in clans for about 4 of that, when I heard valve were making counter-strike on the HL2 engine I was hugely excited like many people. But when I go it, it was the biggest let down ever... it is so ridiculously easy.. and so SO very very unsatisfying... in 1.6 when you headshot somebody, you feel it, you see the big spurt of blood come out and the basey thuding sound from the AK after hitting the enemys cranium.... do you get that source? do you f***.... plus you know... the fact that in source it feels like your running on ice ... but the biggest thing, cs source does not have the arcadey feel the cs does. Myers you stated above "You mean they listened to the cs 1.6 community who think source is a crap (different) game?" your right, it is a different game... but thats not what valve intended, they intended it to be a direct port... its a very different game and thats not what people wanted. When I talk to people who play source, do you know what their biggest argument is.. they say that I stick with 1.6 because my computer cant handle that wonderful source... yeah my Athlon 64bit 3500+, Sapphire Radeon X800 XT P.E, 1024 PC3200 Corsair ram, and 10,000 rpm maxtor harddrive just cant cut it in source can it.... oh wait. Source was meant to be a port of cs... it failed. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Antmoo 16:55 16/8/2005	I prefer CS 1.6 to CS:S to play and to watch, going to be great! :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	amarilloslim 17:06 16/8/2005	Shut up you insipid hack. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 17:43 16/8/2005	I dont think they could make source feel like 1.6 even if they really tried as the source engine is so diffrent. Long live 1.6 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	r3n Team-kill 17:47 16/8/2005	i play CSS now cos its easy to own on servers as most players are newbies that play source cos it comes with HL2 plus reg feels better i just find im better at it. dno why original CS is fun, just lost its appeal with constant fiddling from the developers that in the end just made it worse (awp scope lag anyone?) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	monkE euthanasia 17:54 16/8/2005	I consider your statement stupid Myers. 1.6 has a larger community than source does; so if the cpl listens to the entire community, 1.6 will have more backing? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tiz 18:06 16/8/2005	Source is the best game since pac-man [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	luck RemOte.uK 18:07 16/8/2005	I quite like source after playing it recently, they've fixed quite alot of issues with it. One thing i will add is its made for newer players, hence why there isnt much recoil and so calling on reactions rather than so called aim. Its another element of gameplay which i quite like. CS1.6 shouldnt be compared to source because of that fact, and besides there totally different games anyway. Please note - That was my opinion. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fiskov 18:14 16/8/2005	"CS1.6 shouldnt be compared to source because of that fact, and besides there totally different games anyway." Precisely, they shouldnt call it counter-strike at all.....mmm 'That pile of s*** made from the HL2 code" would be more appropriate. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	mebR 18:28 16/8/2005	or "that pile of s*** using a good games name to make lots of wubly money, mwahahhahahahaahaha, tomorrow pinky we shall attempt to take over zee world!" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 18:44 16/8/2005	Debateable Monke. If they listen to the entire PC gaming community, then it's most likely some left-field team-based title popular only in South-Korea will be chosen. Perhaps Guild Wars after the amount of money the publishers are spending to market that in the country. Or if they listen to the entire community then perhaps they'll elect for some form of MMORPG competition? Or if they listen to the whole gaming community as a whole, then I have no doubt Halo 2 will be the team-based game of choice for the CPL world tour. Always depends how you classify community. I'm not particuarly biased for or against CS: Source, I just thought that saying... they finally listened to the community... was a somewhat dumb comment. Even in just the PC market, CS wouldn't account for 30% of all the games that people play online. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Antmoo 19:17 16/8/2005	I suppose the eSports community of top gamers favour CS 1.6 and their opinions will no doubt count for more than some randoms who play CS:S before dinner. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 19:21 16/8/2005	well then how would u define eSports? "playing games in a competitive environment"? seems to be a standard definition. That can apply to a lot of CPL-wannabes :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Antmoo 19:24 16/8/2005	I define eSports as a more professional type of gaming, not just competitive. CSGN or other more amateur leagues like that arn't eSports in my opinion, more plain online gaming. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Venomous BLACKLiGHT 19:58 16/8/2005	Good news for cs, bad news for all the guys practicing so hard at css thinking its the next big thing :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	tanjo 22:43 16/8/2005	I bet elude feels pretty stupid now. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hotshot Choke 23:32 16/8/2005	myers is reeling, he had a bet on at paddypower.com thatd it be CS:Source or so my insider information tells me [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Tru 23:56 16/8/2005	AH HAH HAHAHAH UNLUCKY JIM [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ryano theb0g 00:18 17/8/2005	Never played Battlefield 2 in a clan game but it seems like a really good next generation pc game. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Mupp 00:23 17/8/2005	yeah you're all shit [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	georgeda 09:31 17/8/2005	to be fair, source should of really been the game, it makes sence all round. (and no, i like 1.6 ALOT more). main things that need fixing in source: - hitsounds - hitboxes - s*** scattered around levels - 10000 hiding places per map - more blood needed - no sound while jumping rest of the game is pretty good, having played a few pcws on it... just those things get me so RAGED ARGH!(£"$YT)ASF{F [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	xrob 09:59 17/8/2005	good. http://www.steampowered.com/status/game_stats.html [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shads theb0g 10:18 17/8/2005	the fact that theres only a few more people playing source than that utter pile of w**k & waste of time/money/effort/space/life/oxygen condition zero seems to say it all for me [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Weebull 10:21 17/8/2005	I thought the "sound while jumping" thing was only ever client-side only, so you never heard other people jumping, only yourself? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 10:31 17/8/2005	Hitboxes are ok if you turn interpolate off, however a lot of the plugins are attempting to enforce a "proper" interp value of 1/updaterate which causes a pretty significant hitbox warping. I've done 2 articles now on the improvements css needs, I've little doubt they'll be totally ignored and valve will carry on in blissful ignorance not even realising that 1.6 is still growing faster than css. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	seik 13:45 17/8/2005	Myers, always quote your sources please otherwise you look like you're making facts up just to appear more intelligent than everyone else. 98% of all facts are made up on the spot. (Guiness Advert). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Phunky 14:04 17/8/2005	Ill give you one reason why they revirted back to 1.6. SourceTV Its not ready for streaming matches as of yet, and how can they broadcast an event when you have the dodgest auto director in the world. But 1.6 will die, and i cant wait for it to do so [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fiskov 14:15 17/8/2005	hahahaha yeah 1.6 will die, but this announcement pretty much garuntee's 1.6 is gonna be very much alive and well until the end of 2006.... 1.6 is like that enemy boss that just wont die. surely valve must be frustrated that cs source is being totally owned by a game made in like 1998/99 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fiskov 14:16 17/8/2005	mmm infact people have been saying counter-strike is dying since since hahaha 2001/2002 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	mebR 14:34 17/8/2005	1.6 will be dieing when there are less new players starting than old players leaving. so its not dead yet! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 16:02 17/8/2005	http://www.gotfrag.com/portal/files/449/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	akujii0r Infinity-eSports 16:21 17/8/2005	again just admit when you are wrong myers, Counterstrike is the most played and viewed game in all of china devouring the WC3 and other communities. know nothing know all? :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 16:52 17/8/2005	From December last year, CSS has dropped from 41,976 players to 35,143 last month. 1.6 went from 108,268 to 110,768. According to angel's gotfrag interview the majority of the 1.6 community did not change over, the CSS community is made up of new gamers and those from minority games. The community, by all accounts those who attend and follow the CPL events, are the ones who stood by their decision that CSS was not good enough to be played at the events and it is those people, the only ones who you could ever rightfully call the community, that the CPL have now been decent enough to acknowledge and renege on their earlier decision for. Don't try and hide behind definitions Myers, you're just plain wrong ;-) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Venomous BLACKLiGHT 18:30 17/8/2005	DoZ always wins ! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fiskov 21:31 17/8/2005	"From December last year, CSS has dropped from 41,976 players to 35,143 last month. 1.6 went from 108,268 to 110,768." Thats one of the most heart warming things ive ever read. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 22:02 17/8/2005	I never said Counter-Strike wasn't the most popular game in the world, I was saying that Counter-Strike, if everyone who played PC games online were counted, would probably only make a 3rd of the total. As MMORPGs and strat games aren't included on stats such as CSsports.net (which were the sources I was using) it's difficult to know for sure. As for popularity, well it varies from place to place what people want to watch. At ACON 5 in China, Warcraft 3 was far far more popular than CS, in what people wanted to watch. In Korea there's probably a heavy favourtism towards strategy. I'm not quite sure what you want me to admit to being wrong about keir? Look at the polls for what games people want at events like WCG, CS is usually in 3rd or even 4th position. Again, it's all dependant on which community you ask. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 22:05 17/8/2005	and DoZ: before the CPL started using CS at it's events, there was no CPL CS community. If CPL hosted StarCraft as it's WT games, for example, there would be a large StarCraft community following the CPL events, news spreads on community sites of the games from the CPL. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 22:19 17/8/2005	What's your point? CPL hasn't hosted starcraft, therefore that is not its community. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 22:25 17/8/2005	yes but to say the CPL finally listened to the community when it chose CS 1.6, is a dumb statement given that there's probably a lot of communities out there who would feel they haven't been listened to. Take Battlefield 2 for instance, never been a CPL tournament, yet if CPL made the WT game for next year Battlefield 2, then there would be a huge BF2 scene that followed the CPL. Thus all PC games players are part of the community, not just those that already follow the CPL events. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	akujii0r Infinity-eSports 22:34 17/8/2005	Counterstrike is the most followed game in asia, south korea does not make up the asian market it is the most developed to some extent, but cs is the most played/viewed game in asia [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fiskov 22:34 17/8/2005	Myers, i think the guy who originally said that the cpl listened to the community actually meant.... they listened to the CS (under line CS) community... you know the whole "please dont make us play that sht cun game, please give us back 1.6" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 22:44 17/8/2005	Counterstrike is the most followed game in asia, south korea does not make up the asian market it is the most developed to some extent, but cs is the most played/viewed game in asia When did I say it wasn't ? fiskov, yeh i'm aware of that, that's why i'm making my point here. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	monkE euthanasia 23:13 17/8/2005	im trying desperately to follow this. Myers you're saying that if the cpl listened to a smaller community of a different game to cs 1.6 then they'd have chosen something different? Isnt that kind of obvious? my point, and i think Doz and aku's point also; is that the community as a whole - that is the online competitive gaming community - would support cs 1.6 over any other game... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 23:36 17/8/2005	Where did he say that it was? Or where did he say that it wasn't? It's neither here nor there that the specifics are ambiguous at best, and at the same time we have to consider the ramficiations of such a statement and the true definitions of all words used in such a context. Ultimately what he is saying is that he may or may not be insinuating that cs is in his view a minority sport all because at acon the chinese liked wc3. Verstehen Sie? Es gibt sehr einfach! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 00:07 18/8/2005	I'm saying that if the CPL listened to the community as a whole, the game of choice might not be CS. If they did ask the whole online gaming competitive gaming community, then the game would probably not be CS. As by the definition of 'online competitive gaming community' that means everyone who plays games competitively online? (different definition to doz's). Thus that would include several million poker players, many millions of Xbox LIVE gamers (subscriptions of which surpass the number of unique users on Steam last month), chess players, minesweeper players, MMORPG players. My point, was this. We, Counter-Strike 1.6 players, are a minority. Not as such a minority in comparison to the online PC action shooter/strategy games we're familiar with, as a whole, as a minority. A fraction, a sizeable fraction, possibly 25% - 35%, but still a fraction of the community. To claim the CPL listened to the community when selecting the game is something of an arrogant statement. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 00:33 18/8/2005	No it's not, you're just redefining community to attempt to justify your position. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 00:48 18/8/2005	no, i'm asking for a definition of "community" before someone can claim they "listened to the community" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	seik 01:07 18/8/2005	I could give you a definition of community, but you wouldn't understand, you're studying Event Management! HOHOHO Notice how I dodged the question and attempted to make you look inferior.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fiskov 03:22 18/8/2005	Use some god damn common sense Myers, why the hell are you including stuff like online poker? online chess? Do you forsee poker being played over a local area network at a competative gaming event? My what a success that would be. You know very well what monkE and the rest of us mean by community. Games the CPL could/would actually consider using as their main game... The CPL have listened to the community, the community which consists of games that are popular, spectator friendly, have an orginised community and is full of highly skilled teams/players... if we look at this critera we are brought back to first person shooters, statergy games like warcraft and so on. The CPL has listened to the communitys that fall within the criteria listed above, and the people have chosen 1.6 You Myers and GOD SO WRONG. say it with us... just once "I'm wrong" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fiskov 03:25 18/8/2005	damn it why is there no edit function edit You Myers are GOD SO WRONG. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rekkiem ForsakeN 07:39 18/8/2005	myers your definition of online community, well it's like saying muslims christians and jews are all part of the same community within our lovely world... to a lesser extent of course ;-) it's a game! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 09:34 18/8/2005	well, tell me what i've said above, which is factually wrong. Then i'll admit, i'm wrong! I do know very well what you mean by "community", but i'm challenging that assumption because I think it is an arrogant assumption to make. And even in the community by your definition, CS would probably only make up a just over a 3rd of the games that CPL play online. Which makes CS a minority rather than a majority game. If the whole community was given the choice, many, realising that their own game had no chance of being selected, might opt for games other than CS as the CPL WT game. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hotshot Choke 09:35 18/8/2005	and i dont see the validity of any point in trying to define community. Its our community. Its the CS 5v5 team based community. end of. I couldnt give a monkeys what China thinks, we all know theyre into MMPORGS more than FPS shooters (which is a trend slowly reversing in Korea), and i highly doubt that Angel Munoz consulted or considered the market demographic of east asian countries when considering the new WT game. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Myers Saviour of UKT UKTerrorist 09:36 18/8/2005	Do you forsee poker being played over a local area network at a competative gaming event? My what a success that would be. Has happened before, and was quite successful. I've even seen speed chess at a competitive gaming event in the past. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	seik 12:15 18/8/2005	Myers is a troll, ban him from UKT. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	icewilly 17:07 18/8/2005	Myers you talk some amount of s***e sir [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	m00fiSh 08:50 22/8/2005	f****ts [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	NicholaisoN 15:04 24/8/2005	I don't know what sort of events you go to Myers, but i wouldnt say they 'speed chess' happens at the top gaming events. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MonkH 21:23 28/8/2005	Myers is right! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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