Counter-Strike "good for you" reports study

Posted by alpha at 10:52 12/2/2003.

A new study by a Chicago university argues that community-based online games such as Counter-Strike are "good for you". The findings, summarised by BBC news online, report that the communities built up around team-oriented games allow players to forge new relationships in a world where they can "experiment with their emotions" more than they would in real life. Here's a quote:
Prof Wright said that the research shows that Counter-Strike is about much more than grim gunplay and racking up kills. The strategy and tactics used by many regular players and teams, or clans, often makes it seem like a game of chess

[...]

"It is an area that's bricked off from everyday life that you can enter and leave at will," he said. "It offers you a way to play with things you may be scared of in a safe way where there are very few consequences."

It's nice to see some coverage in the mainstream media that doesn't blame FPS games for the latest gun-related tragedy. Take a read of the full article.

Comments

Weebull
11:00 12/2/2003
"It offers you a way to play with things you may be scared of in a safe way where there are very few consequences."
Like threaten to knife people at LANs :o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
m0rph
Infinity-eSports
11:07 12/2/2003
threaten but not actually do :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Rav0r
Croydon
11:09 12/2/2003
cu@Lan m0! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Az
RemOte.uK
11:18 12/2/2003
"It gives people an option of actively participating in some kind of fantasy role they could not do in real life that allows them to play with their own feelings," said Prof Wright.

sounds kinda......... kinky [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
11:29 12/2/2003
allow players to forge new relationships in a world where they can "experiment with their emotions" more than they would in real life.

ie, act like complete w**kers to everyone and get away with it [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Loxam
Lite
11:30 12/2/2003
Prof Wright :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Otis
Rush!
11:31 12/2/2003
a bit cynical shads ;o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
11:33 12/2/2003
.. but completely true [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Otis
Rush!
11:40 12/2/2003
yeah maybe, but there is the good side, you just only see the bad side on UKT ;/ the best side you see@lan when you get to meet the f***wits who abuse you online, then magically they shut up and say f*** all to your face... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Otis
Rush!
11:41 12/2/2003
actually thats not really a good side. The good side is meeting sound ppl who like a laugh. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
kensai|Hates_
11:42 12/2/2003
cu@lan? I have a friend called Milan who eats too much Ham. Oh Sam, too much green eggs and ham. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
11:45 12/2/2003
that's nothing to do with the influence of cs & internet games though is it, that's completely different, those are the people who are just generally nice people anyway and know how to be humane - they act well on the net & at lan, but the people who act like tossers on the net wouldnt be doing it in rl which is where the influence of cs/internet comes in [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Otis
Rush!
11:49 12/2/2003
yeah but think of all the ppl/mates you wouldnt have met if you hadnt have played cs online. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
kensai|Hates_
11:50 12/2/2003
Yeah, I wouldn't have met all the sad losers in clan kensai [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
11:58 12/2/2003
yeah but still, i just think the internet brings out the worst in just about everyone, i can only think of 2 people who i have never seen act like a tosser on the net in 3 years of cs, b0b and ND, and i always jokingly say that they're too nice for cs, because it just brings out the retard in everyone [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
11:58 12/2/2003
i mean consistantly act like a tosser [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Kwak
11:59 12/2/2003
Prof _Wright_ said that the research shows that Counter-Strike is about much more than _grim_ gunplay

says it all, h0ax [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
11:59 12/2/2003
lol i was tempted to do that pb but then i thought no thats just not actually funny :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Otis
Rush!
12:02 12/2/2003
lol nah ND used to act like a right prick sometimes a year or 2 ago, i'll allow him that though cos he was only about 14 then j/k si ;o He's sound now though agreed. Ppl generally realise you cant go around acting a total c**k to everyone all the time, cos sooner or later your gonna meet them and get knocked out liek riggs or someone. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
m0rph
Infinity-eSports
12:03 12/2/2003
i'll f*** yo ass up, grab ur glocks when u see morph, call the cops when u see morph, u shot me but yo punks couldnt finish now u bout to feel the wrath of pubic hair tickling f***a [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Otis
Rush!
12:04 12/2/2003
but it came from a dutchie so all is forgiven ;o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
12:07 12/2/2003
course there are exceptions on the bad side, like al whos a tosser in rl too, i mean calling random lil kids jews, he mentally scarred them for life [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
m0rph
Infinity-eSports
12:07 12/2/2003
i didnt even f***ing do that, stop spreading [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
12:08 12/2/2003
did u glock all the witnesses then tear their balls off and f*** their moms like a true bad boi [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
m0rph
Infinity-eSports
12:09 12/2/2003
no [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Otis
Rush!
12:10 12/2/2003
loool [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
m0rph
Infinity-eSports
12:12 12/2/2003
i did f*** their mothers tho [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
12:12 12/2/2003
nothing on gregs ma tho were they [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
m0rph
Infinity-eSports
12:15 12/2/2003
LOL greg's ma is a buxom blonde with 42DD hooters, no doubting the attraction. I love watching her head bob back and forth while she takes my hot warm load down her throat as it fiizzes away at her tonsils. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
12:17 12/2/2003
hope greg reads that :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Grom^
12:19 12/2/2003
I'm sure the prof would use these comments as more evidence :)

Very interesting. I actually did something similar to this at university, although it was about use of language during Quake2 rather than sociological stuff.

If anyone is interested the full article (I think) is at http://www.gamestudies.org/0202/wright/

snippet:

<u>Game Conflict Talk</u>

Camping talk (camping usually refers to staying in one spot "too long" during the game)

Cheating accusations/disputes (with responses).

AWP Talk (or AWP disclaimer) – the AWP is a one-shot kill sniper rifle

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so third most common subject of that kind of chat is ppl moaning about the AWP. And everyone else is just saying someone cheats. Pretty accurate I'd say. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Weebull
12:20 12/2/2003
It's nice to see them actually notice top(ish)-level clan players iin CS for once though. Usually any report about CS dwells on public playing tossers, who really do give the game a bad name. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
12:23 12/2/2003
did i read the wrong article? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Weebull
12:42 12/2/2003
k, that didn't quite come out right. :[ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Weebull
12:42 12/2/2003
Of course, the playing of the game also produces changes in one's own subjectivity making it a pleasurable experience if one is accomplished (Myers 1992).
:o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
-m0o.Rob-
12:51 12/2/2003
i remember playing with someone who had to leave the game because we swore, he screeched on rw dont swear my mum will ground me, he was 16 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Otis
Rush!
13:10 12/2/2003
lol [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
St_George
g30rg3h
UKTerrorist
13:49 12/2/2003
lol rob [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
rd
theb0g
13:57 12/2/2003
the internet brings out the worst in just about everyone, i can only think of 2 people who i have never seen act like a tosser on the net in 3 years of cs, b0b and ND,

and wot about me shads? :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
rd
theb0g
14:00 12/2/2003
hi paul, chris, si and aaron! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sy
2seXeh 2perfoRm
14:00 12/2/2003
hey mark !! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Dev
theb0g
14:01 12/2/2003
mark, ur ma smells. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
rd
theb0g
14:02 12/2/2003
mmmm rob wots that i smell, i live near the sea but its a much stronger smell than the sea
OH YE UR MUM IS SITTIN ON MA FACE [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
WolfMan`
Viva la!
14:02 12/2/2003
Hiya marky bbbbbbbb :D:D:D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
BaroN
2seXeh 2perfoRm
14:02 12/2/2003
Hey mark!

remember u r sleeping in the rabbit hutch at my house after last nights singing on ts m8 :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
rd
theb0g
14:02 12/2/2003
nono! :( i get ur bed [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
rd
theb0g
14:03 12/2/2003
man i got friends, this is cool :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
rd
theb0g
14:03 12/2/2003
oh ye,
rob im sorry luv u man :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Myers
Saviour of UKT
UKTerrorist
14:17 12/2/2003
i think the big story here is alpha posting a news article... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
fez
14:56 12/2/2003
nice to see CS gettin some positive attention. nice report :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Dev
theb0g
14:57 12/2/2003
you love me, i love ur ma... nice little triangle we got going on here. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
a1ex^
15:38 12/2/2003
nice way to make the nerds feel better about sitting for hours on end playing a computer game... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
rd
theb0g
15:38 12/2/2003
i love my mum also :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
snarc
15:48 12/2/2003
You've got to remember that these studies were carried out in the US where culture and friendships generally differ from the UK. To generalise, people tend to be less aggressive in the US and if they have something bad to say they will keep it to themselves (of course there are people like this in the UK but they tend to be few and far between, especially on the net).

So maybe, this article applies to US couterstrike and not UK? (Take w1cked for example does he fit this articles description? Do you feel like you have grown in anyway after playing a game with the great dave? Case Closed :>) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Kronikal
Anti-Climax
15:50 12/2/2003
not what your mam said [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Messiah
Game2XS.Monkey Magic
15:52 12/2/2003
oh my! americans saying something nice about computer games... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
w1cked^
Kirby-eSports
16:10 12/2/2003
im the mother f***ing don mega stfu snarc you little furry mutant thing. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
decrepit
Croydon
16:16 12/2/2003
haha [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
decrepit
Croydon
16:17 12/2/2003
ppl tend to be less aggressive in the US..

what? says who [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
16:21 12/2/2003
says ol' Redneck and hees 12 bore shotgun, y'aaaaaaaall [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
17:11 12/2/2003
snarc, try telling that to gun ho bush... and arent british people meant to be infamous for being "reserved"? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
fez
17:15 12/2/2003
/me agrees with shads hes my hero [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
emfive
17:18 12/2/2003
they are shads but American's are also famous for saying what they think, DONT TELL TOM THAT [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
reddy
gameSlave
17:23 12/2/2003
"It offers you a way to play with things you may be scared of in a safe way where there are very few consequences."

i can do that in the comfort of my room thanks [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
emfive
17:24 12/2/2003
HeY rEdDDy GueSS whAT? YOu Can PLaY COuNtER-StrikE iN yoUR r00m [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
17:39 12/2/2003
Is it just me or are there a dearth of REAL fricking counter strike screenshots online???? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PFCalcio
THX
17:41 12/2/2003
Also do comment posters like me know how to assemble a sentence with the right clause or 'is' they stupid.

IS there a dearth of fricking Counter striker screenshots online?? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
17:57 12/2/2003
lol [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
iron
18:41 12/2/2003
The community side of CS might be good for you, but spending 8 hours a day 6" away from a computer screen like some people do...isnt good for you.... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
18:47 12/2/2003
No worse than an office job at the end of the day [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
18:53 12/2/2003
.... but they say the same about office jobs [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
18:56 12/2/2003
That office jobs are no worse than office jobs? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
w1cked^
Kirby-eSports
18:59 12/2/2003
LOL [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Weebull
19:13 12/2/2003
But you don't spend 8 hours playing CS as a job, so it's taking up leisure time. (Admittedly most of them are in school, but the same thing applies). [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
19:16 12/2/2003
lol no, i read ur post as in to say "its not that bad because its practically the same as an office job which loads of people do just fine", so my reply meant that they actually say that office jobs can be quite bad for ur health to coincide with iron's statement about playing on ur pc for 8 hours a day

i prolly worded it all wrong but i cba reading it again [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
19:16 12/2/2003
^^^^^^ @ doz [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
iron
19:32 12/2/2003
1 2 3 4 who's punk what's the score? I've got a friend, her name is Boxcar. Cigarettes and beer in El Sob. Her hair was blue, but now its green. I like her mind, she hates the scene. You're all alone... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Slim
19:49 12/2/2003
2 pints of counter strike and a packet of crisps please bartend [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Mintman
20:53 12/2/2003
Snarc said: To generalise, people tend to be less aggressive in the US and if they have something bad to say they will keep it to themselves
No they just bottle it up until their daddy gives them a gun and they go round shooting people. Then they blame games like CS for it. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shotti
theb0g
22:03 12/2/2003
well at least in uk you dont get people killed at lan cafes like in good ol US of A (canada to be precise but they are american french double scum f***ing s***) although that might change with some upcoming lans where the Croydon crew and are be busting some caps in a few ass or so i heard... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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