Is CS Going Forwards? or Backwards?

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	Ripper Rush! 11:05 11/6/2004	good article, kinda keeps repeating the same points over and over though. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	nixoh enamor 11:11 11/6/2004	Nice read after a crappy maths exam! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	cRueL^ Alliance.cs 11:19 11/6/2004	same nixoh, was it P2? V.good read though [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inny 11:22 11/6/2004	nice article, way too much to read tho :E [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dL Atari.Crew 11:32 11/6/2004	i think cs is becoming a joke really, you watch games or play on the odd public here and there and the dumbest s* happens to you you get utter s*ters spraying at range and getting headshots when your just tapping bullets at their head and its going through when players are turning right or running round a corner looking ahead and you try and shoot them, you havn't got a chance of hitting their head if u aim at it etc etc. the skill needs to be put back into it, someone will suggest taking the jump delay away but i dont think that will do it [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Thuggie` Croydon 11:35 11/6/2004	great article even tho thorin wrote it [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MonkH 11:36 11/6/2004	ive given up on cs pritty much ut2k4 so much more advanced [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Thuggie` Croydon 11:39 11/6/2004	did he say 1.3 had less skill than 1.4? dont really think mr requires more skill than co.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shotti theb0g 11:58 11/6/2004	i agree to some extent that co requires more skill than mr mr rules lets you have more slower intricate tactics, whereas with co rules its morelike quake3 with just best positioning and snap aiming, being the deciding factor to winning rounds [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ensnare Atari.Crew 12:01 11/6/2004	really good article good read :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	seik 12:02 11/6/2004	as ever a highly pretentious article by thorin, please leave the big words to the people who know what they mean [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	KaM 12:05 11/6/2004	wish someone would define what they mean by 'skill' in cs when writing these articles [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Thuggie` Croydon 12:11 11/6/2004	watch a volli demo if you want a defination of skill [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Necroboy fightclubclan 12:12 11/6/2004	I was thinking that kam. Would also like a detailed describtion of what exactly has made cs less skillful. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Weebull 12:21 11/6/2004	Got bored of reading yet another history lesson of CS, so I stopped about halfway down. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Johnny-Rhythm 12:23 11/6/2004	Excellent Article. All's i will say is i used to enjoy the game ten fold more pre 1.4, i dont even know why i play now cuz i dislike a s*** load of elements of todays cs. Its just not the game it used to be. And yes i do know why i still play even thou i dislike alot of it... theres no game out there better...still...after..3-4 yrs. :( sad state of affairs. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	monkE euthanasia 12:23 11/6/2004	something needs to be done about the way people can run towards you full auto with an ak and headshot with ease =[ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	monkE euthanasia 12:24 11/6/2004	same with strafing side to side with colt going full auto [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	jammin 12:32 11/6/2004	Stop moaning about getting shot. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	monkE euthanasia 12:33 11/6/2004	its getting shot by f***tards that annoys me, not getting shot in general, although that does tick me off a little. im just a bitter person :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Venomous BLACKLiGHT 12:46 11/6/2004	"I was thinking that kam. Would also like a detailed describtion of what exactly has made cs less skillful." remember back in 1.1 when you could jump with a deagle and the bullet would hit the crosshair, you could actually jump fast round the map and trick opponents, the walking speed was faster and nearly all guns were more accurate with better recoil control, nowadays you go into a public server and get dicked halfway accross the map by some guy with a FAMAS who cant aim but gets his headshot because of the random aim that they've implemented to be "reallistic". [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inny 12:56 11/6/2004	gets on my breasts that does :E [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sugna 13:28 11/6/2004	gameplaywise cs was at its best pre beta 6 before they f***ed up the netcode. However theyve certainly tarted it up to look better since then. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	p0ng! 13:34 11/6/2004	why does anyone give a s*** about these stupid articles :)? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MeGaMaN- Rush! 13:40 11/6/2004	Excellent read, and I agree that with every update the skill gap decreases significantly [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	prawn 13:57 11/6/2004	Really liked that article, and certainly agreed, CO rules used to be so much more fun. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Spikey The Bomb Squad 14:06 11/6/2004	Got bored about half way down, good article to start with, dragged on a bit too long though. Its interesting from a perspective of someone who has only been playing since 1.4 as you really never knew how cs evolved into a Mass online market of gamers. PLEASE SORT THE f***IN HIT BOXES OUT YOU TOSSERS! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fury 15:14 11/6/2004	Really good article, great reading. Had some good points too. More links like this please. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	TeeJay 15:24 11/6/2004	Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away. Now it looks as though they're here to stay. Oh I believe in yesterday... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	AGeNt7eVeN Clan Dirty 15:24 11/6/2004	Good article, Stop moaning about being shot by noobs, camp a little more, you must forget the numbers of times the noob didn’t own you, like the 14 consecutive rounds just before, the game is being made more realistic. Give a guy who has never shot a gun before a chance to kill you and he may succeed! If you get noobed its your own fault. I think CS has only got alot better I didn’t play 1.4 or 1.5 I played CS from beta to 1.3 when I worked in a LAN cafe, I think the game has improved tenfolds over the releases. I bet if you played 1.3 right now you would be like oh my god this is w**k the noob did a jumping deagle headshot. Stop moaning! Good read, bit long winded! All I ever seem to hear is whine whine whine… (Yes I am whining, don’t point it out) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	TeeJay 15:43 11/6/2004	No, the game isn't being made more realistic. The improvements which Valve have implemented over the years have made the game easier and more enjoyable for Mr. Joe 'Plays Now And Again' Bloggs. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Valar 15:48 11/6/2004	the thing that most narked me was when they removed the fast walking (beta 7ish i think?). that took skill to achieve and you still had the chance of c**king it up and making noise yet being able to move around the map almost as fast as if you were running. ive also never quite understood the logic behind having a crosshair to aim with, yet the bullet doesnt go dead centre of the crosshair. you used to be able to snipe with para's across a map, and mp5's for that matter. make the crosshair jump around, or make the screen shake more to simulate recoil, just send my bullet where i'm bloody pointing it! :-( /whine [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Callisto Game2XS 16:33 11/6/2004	its going sideways!!!111 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	akujii0r Infinity-eSports 17:28 11/6/2004	Skill decreases, yet the best players in the world from years ago still remain the best now? There is good reasoning for it! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	a1ex^ 17:36 11/6/2004	even tho i hate thorin for various reasons, ie. he rattles on about cs as if he has been in or played at any sort of high standard when he is possibly one of the most talentless gamers out there. i actually enjoyed reading this article, not because it was correct in its points about skill, team play and tactics because quiet frankly thorin is completely inept when it comes to these area for my reason stated above. although it was well written i enjoyed it because of its historic content in regards to cs, purely nostalgically based. is that a word, im sure one of you uk retards will correct me so let the bashing of this devestatingly hansome irish man commence due to his poor vocabulary. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	adzy aLternative 17:41 11/6/2004	valve have apparently sorted the 'reg' in an update soon out. bollocks if you ask me, they probably sorted it out for cs:cz and nothing else the money hungry c***s [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dL Atari.Crew 17:47 11/6/2004	they said that the update, due to be released on the wednesday, JUST GONE, was going to be updates to the crosshair; to let you decide what size you wanted it and wether you were going to have it normal or translucent. they also mentioned 'various other improvements' - if that was meant to mean that they are fixing hitboxes and the 'reg' then it would seem to me they do not consider it a very big issue? I thought it was one of gamers biggest issues at the moment :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Scam 18:03 11/6/2004	good article, although the fact that the top players from way back then are still at the top kinda undermines his main point. : [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Necroblob 18:20 11/6/2004	good article nice post.. enjoyed reading [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	alkor 18:22 11/6/2004	NOT VERY INTERESTING... also he is proper sad for writing all that over something as pointless and meaningless as counter strike.. you go onto a server nowadays and its spray spray spray you play online and u get wannabe kids with cheats trying to be the next sk blah blah blah its been like this for 2+ years now in the earlier cs days (2001) where everyone went to lan as broadband wasnt very popular THAT was when the game was fun after that it just went downhill :( It would be interesting if it was something new BUT all of what he has said has been said 9999 times before so its just zzzzzz.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Thuggie` Croydon 18:22 11/6/2004	the best players from years ago arent still the best now, i dont see volli,robkill, zet0r, yak, etc etc so many of the 'big' players from before 1.3 have disappeared now. Most of the best gamers now all became big around 1.3 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hollywood 18:24 11/6/2004	how many of the best players in 1.3 and earlier were purely cfg though ;o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Montaver theb0g 18:24 11/6/2004	Why does anyone commenting on cs have to use the phrase "powerhouse", its the most abused word in esports reporting. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Weebull 18:25 11/6/2004	What also p***es me off is when the likes of moto (in this article) say things such as: At the time there were pretty much only 2 other good American teams. As the skill gap has been reduced I've definitely noticed the rise of a lot of other American clans. Because heaven forbid people other than your precious self may have gotten better at the game. Oh no, we best blame Valve or someone for that! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	akujii0r Infinity-eSports 18:33 11/6/2004	Thats because they were huge configgers that couldnt handle the changes to default lans. zet0r? just lol! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Slider` eSports.Edge 19:01 11/6/2004	Read the short extract on ukt, couldnt be assed to read that f***ing bible of a artical. im sure it was thrilling tho. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Thuggie` Croydon 19:01 11/6/2004	everyone configged back in then in some way or another, since lans were scarce and most tornies were online then if you didnt you lost out, a config can only do so much you cant deny they had skill [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dL Atari.Crew 19:07 11/6/2004	a config can do a hell of a lot [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 19:19 11/6/2004	Wow, "buzz-word-tastic" ! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	$aVa$ ImaGine 19:28 11/6/2004	Well, take the latest update on the awp! Before they updated it, one could get serveral unscoped skills in a row within seconds. Now they have taken that "skill" away. Or before 1.4 one would jump around a corner and deagle headshot someone midair etc. As for the hitboxes there have been flaws in basicly every cs version. Seems they have a hard time getting them right :P. Also teamplay weights a lot more these days then it used to be imo. The gameplay is just that one bit to slow now :\|. I mean how much fun can it be, puting your ch next to a corner waiting there for 2 mins till someone pops out. That's the way most people play these days ... It's very likey that a guy with no aim who sits on his ass holding down the trigger will do as good, as someone who has good movment, decent aim and all that. I don't play much on publics but back in the day, ppl would join a server and go ~45-60:2 on a map if they were half decent. These days the kill:death ratios of all players on a server look pretty even to me. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	$aVa$ ImaGine 19:40 11/6/2004	an ever reduced skill gap. It's not longer a question of evolution but instead of adaption. amen [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	madmk 19:46 11/6/2004	Great article, agreed that CS is w**k and isn't going anywhere and that the skill gap has decreased too much n1 valve.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 20:21 11/6/2004	Akuji, the best are still the best, yes. They're just not as far ahead because the skill factor has been decreased by increasing the random factor. End of the day, if you're putting in the hours, you're still going to get the results. But it's not as fun to watch or as fun to play as it was "back in the day". [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 20:28 11/6/2004	valve have apparently sorted the 'reg' in an update soon out. bollocks if you ask me, they probably sorted it out for cs:cz and nothing else the money hungry c*s You've obviously not played the bots on cz if you think it has better reg than standard cs. There's ways to get cz for free and play it, give it a go and you'll see how it's pretty s*. Some of the redone maps look nice, but it's certainly NOT worth paying money for [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	vert 21:24 11/6/2004	Even forgetting the content, insanely well-written article... [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	-Naz- fightclubclan 21:26 11/6/2004	you wanna know what is skill? cs players dont have a f***ing clue what skill is... take any cs player and put them in a hitscan aim game, like ut2k4 or quake3, and they get totally owned. Why? because in cs the only skills are hiding behind boxes, spraying, and getting freak interp headshots. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 21:31 11/6/2004	Within the limits of the game, they are skilled. However I agree that it takes for better coordination to both move and fire accurately in a game where such talent is rewarded. And I'd far prefer to see games like that advocated in the place of cs, they're infinitely more fun and suited towards e"Sports" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	SIE Choke 22:31 11/6/2004	I take it you've never played CS with Quake3 players Naz, it works both ways. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Aimage Bleeding-edge 23:56 11/6/2004	Too much luck involved in the game. Close range spraying is so random, they need to make the game harder. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MaCcA^ 23:59 11/6/2004	Skill is still in the game its just slower paced, fast switching, bunnyhopping + strafe jumping has all changed. Instead of Valve seeing these as enjoyable parts of the game they have taken it from the publics point of view. People who cant do these 'attained over a long period of time and experience' skills and made it more friendly for the new people saying they were exploits. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	nicklearse Missing In Action 00:06 12/6/2004	If the hitboxes _worked_ and rates were fixed per a connection check at connection all would be peachy ... so many people with 512 + who dont use 100/100 .. fecking cheating imo [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	akujii0r Infinity-eSports 01:35 12/6/2004	they had close games in the past and they have close games now but increasingly people put this down to the added "random" factor, its just an excuse for themselves not being able to compete at the higher level that the best teams continue to do. They're the best because they are continually able to adapt to the updates and you think people are catching them up because of the random factor? Maybe the other teams catching them are putting in the amount of time + dedication required to do so, but i suppose that would be inconceivable due to the added random factor! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Thuggie` Croydon 02:03 12/6/2004	hug [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LeesoN 02:33 12/6/2004	Well written article, however I disagree with the majority of the points put forward. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	w1cked Croydon 02:42 12/6/2004	cool article! CS was so much more fun in 1.3 and before :( seems like CS is getting slower every update.. should be fun when SK vs NoA comes up tho! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	w1cked Croydon 02:44 12/6/2004	Naz you really do chat s***, if CS players didnt know what skill was wouldnt you be the best player ever? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	nixoh enamor 03:35 12/6/2004	Back off Naz the streets have spoken... Skill gap did die with each update but go back to 1.3 (u can download it somewhere and play through steam) and its s***! ShaG or some1 should just write and article about changes to make CS better that will do the trick [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	w1cked Croydon 04:47 12/6/2004	good one peanut head LOOOL [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	N3M- endeffect 06:55 12/6/2004	he doesnt tell us anything we dont already know?? His whole essay/report/life story is based around the quotes of the 'elite' and he doesnt try to explain in anyway as to why the skill gap has decreased...? :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 09:30 12/6/2004	To claim that every upcoming clan and player are what they are because of the random factor is obviously wrong. Skill levels aren't set and they do alter. But the vast majority of truely s*** players who lack awareness, who lack anything resembling an aim, the ones who will time and again absorb and run around cluelessly spraying etc... they're being rewarded by being able to pull off kills that they never would, to win rounds they should have lost etc. The recoil is more random than it was and ultimately that increases the random factor somewhat and it does affect everyone. But the first shots still generally go straight and the skilled players are still getting those first shots in and so they're still the best. Practice raises skill level. Randomness decreases the variance between skill and luck. As a result of the random factor, the floor skill level has raised while those at the top have been brought down, the difference between the two is less, but it's still there. As Thorin says, we're not gonna see another X3-NiP game with cs how it is, and that's a real shame. Because it's the game that stands out in most peoples minds as being the best. It was the clash of the continents, it was fast paced, it was FUN to watch! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ste123 10:49 12/6/2004	who gives a flying f* its cs not Real life, valve aint gonna chnage s* they dont give a s*** about cs world, they just wanna make money thats y they make the game easyer so more noobs play it and buy it etc [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 11:11 12/6/2004	Quake games and the like once you reach the top it is just a test of who is faster/quicker/etc. But in CS, everyone can learn the same things such as camping, how to run with knife etc (equivalant to rocket jumping, etc). So when you hit the top in CS, due to the randomness and reduced skill it isn't an accurate portrayal of a persons talent whereas Quake3 and kin are due to the way the guns work etc. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ste123 11:20 12/6/2004	loxam i think u need to take a s* COS UR SOO f*IN FULL OF IT [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 11:29 12/6/2004	Q3 etc is also about item control! VITAL ASPECT!!1one [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Thuggie` Croydon 11:55 12/6/2004	cs should be all 1v1 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dL Atari.Crew 12:50 12/6/2004	valve do listen, they just listen to the wrong people the majority of people that consort with valve regularly are what we would probably now refer to as the 'p* poor shead' cs players that wouldn't know a good update if it spanked them in the face (no offence if anyone reading this does) they are wanting valve to make it more 'noob friendly' because they can't be arsed to put in the effort it takes to get good at the game. So now what do we end up with? thousands of s**ters all over the cs world able to pull of these insane shots with pretty much no skill required why bother aiming for the head when you can just ask valve to do it for you? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	rekkiem ForsakeN 13:06 12/6/2004	that totally smacked of a high school essay, even with the comical, quintessential (look! i can use big words too) GCSE opening - Before we can fully analyse the key topic outlined in the title it's time for a history lesson to get us all up to speed. haha and he really should look up what 'devolution' means aside from that some pretty well thought out content. and callisto is right - if cs is moving anywhere its sideways [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 13:18 12/6/2004	I dunno who rekkiem is, but I like him! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Magic^ 13:26 12/6/2004	i find it hard to praise an article that says the updates in CS have made matchplay more about 'skills' [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	pk 13:39 12/6/2004	pro mode cs kthx [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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