Lastchance vs. Mayi ESL Decision

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	M4ce intensiveSports 13:58 28/1/2005	o.0 good cos countless times i've played and we say "demos" at the start, we're losing but no whine and we eventually lose, get to irc and its always "i forgot to record" or "here's my demo but its broken" (dated 3 or 4 weeks previously) :/ n1 lc lads + ESL [Edited by M4ce at 14:03 28/1/2005] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	oldlady 14:00 28/1/2005	damn! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 14:01 28/1/2005	lol sh*t happens! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	AdY 14:01 28/1/2005	:) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inferus 14:05 28/1/2005	Good job InspectorAdam :D Nice to see a sensible decision. I would of liked to of seen the CSGN screenshots of this guy, just to see what his fps truely is ;/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	jayy 14:06 28/1/2005	lick lick lick [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Solid` Choke 14:08 28/1/2005	So they didnt get done for cheating, just forgetting to record? lc were unlucky last night defaultin, spose this is something good for them :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Xtreme^ 14:09 28/1/2005	Good, I watched the HLTV of that hkitty and he was wallhacking imo. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bigwest 14:11 28/1/2005	they did seem to soak it up a bit. We should have asked for demos in our match in first round versus them .I Bet some of them didnt record. But dunno if the admins would have overturned it for 'us'.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Katori Choke 14:11 28/1/2005	lol poor Virgins gotta go through it all over again, gl lads :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 14:11 28/1/2005	god dammit american football sucks [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bigwest 14:12 28/1/2005	Is this going to lead to everyone asking for demos in every match, just in case someone forgot to record a half. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 14:13 28/1/2005	Shame the CSGN screenshots will only be available in CSGN competitions. Still not sure why the Punkbuster screenshot thingy was stopped from being used, or even that Octavian movie thing. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	$aVa$ ImaGine 14:14 28/1/2005	Unf***inglucky! ANTS.eu Whether they like annoying me, are suicidal, or just plain stupid remains to be seen, but if I had to pick one of the above, I’d pick all of the above. They’re really annoying, these damn insects. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nakara 14:14 28/1/2005	that american game with the sticks and thingy u have to run around is much better ripper [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LiamC 14:16 28/1/2005	nothing to say UPLOADING UR DEMOS NOW! LASTCHANCE! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	g00z quintessential 14:20 28/1/2005	hahaha what a bunch of whining c**ks lc are [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 14:20 28/1/2005	I've never ever had a problem with broken personal demos and with all the movie producing I've done in the past I've recorded around 2500 personal demos of games. Also there's no reason to stop recording midway through a match. Can't stand it when people use those blatently sh*t excuses! It always makes it look like they've got something to hide. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inferus 14:24 28/1/2005	I've recorded around 2500 personal demos of games. And I bet you still haven't found any good frags! ;D Anyone got a link to ESL rules? i'm feeling lazy. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DiesE\| 14:26 28/1/2005	well, the 2nd avi that AdY made looked utter bollocks. whether its just a random burst cos the guy at the door has caleld i dunno but it looks suspect to moi. That was good intelligence, very good intelligence. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	]-[ao AnTs Clan 14:26 28/1/2005	this is from cup admin Mike http://www.ukterrorist.com/columns/7036/ this is ESL rules: http://www.esl-europe.net/uk/cs/5on5/mr15/cup/rules/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	enc\|mike 14:29 28/1/2005	Choke\|MaT: as in the ladders of whole of the ESL there must be 2 maps played. As everyone apart from the UK Scene knows what structure is, I know for a fact that 95% of ESL players record a demo for each half. The main reason being, if there is a cheat accusation the opponent has to upload whichever half the protest creator asks for. The creator can only ask for 6 demos in total and 2 from each player. For example. Player1: Dust2 CT + Nuke T Player4: Dust2 T + Nuke T Player5: Nuke T + Nuke CT [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pimpboy feo 14:30 28/1/2005	thats what i like to see a 0 tolerance to the rules [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rude^ Jay Bee Eye! 14:32 28/1/2005	ul ants [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inferus 14:33 28/1/2005	6.2. Demos and replays If your game supports a demo- or replay-function, it is obligatory for all players to use it. The demos are to be kept for at least 14 days and must be presented to the admin at request. If a player or team suspects that another player or team is violating a regulation during a game, the demo can be demanded of the opposing team straight away. The admins are only to be called in, when suspicions continue to exist even after the demos have been viewed. In this case, the clan or player may proceed and send the admin the game demos. The admin will then take the appropriate action. It is recommended to voluntarily make all demos available to the public in order to keep the ladders transparent and interesting. For specific rules, please read the respective game rules. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	w1cked Croydon 14:34 28/1/2005	Dont see why his POV demo was needed if HLTV was on the server? ul AnTs [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inferus 14:35 28/1/2005	HLTV doesn't give the same quality as POV. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LiamC 14:35 28/1/2005	because they said HLTV DEMO has delay... wicked [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hotshot Choke 14:36 28/1/2005	lc-\|Kardy [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 14:42 28/1/2005	:D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	$aVa$ ImaGine 14:43 28/1/2005	Record a HLTV and a POV demo of the same match, and compare them and you will notice a big difference. There are lots of animations, sounds etc. missing and added lag/delay on the hltv one. I wouldn't ban people because of hltv, unless it's rather blatant of course. Plus the rules state pov demos. Did all of LC record? duh :x [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	stabby Virgins! 14:43 28/1/2005	^^^ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pimpboy feo 14:44 28/1/2005	this is s***e really they cheated their way to this victory and this makes it look like lastchance got the default on a gay technicality :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ellven 14:45 28/1/2005	but it is [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inferus 14:46 28/1/2005	Plus the rules state pov demos. Did all of LC record? duh :x Did lc do anything dodgy? :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 14:47 28/1/2005	Pimpboy could you really see them getting banned when there is no concrete evidence of them hacking? Its just good that they have found this loophole :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	$aVa$ ImaGine 14:47 28/1/2005	Let's ask MAGI or whatever. :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 14:49 28/1/2005	Mike, if that's the case, I hope that there's admins to tell teams to record at the beginning of each half, otherwise that's a bit out of order. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	M4ce intensiveSports 14:51 28/1/2005	wtf are MaYi? Ants.eu? who r these randoms? how many LANs they been to? my bad if the answers r blatantly obvious i'm no lc fanboy :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	AdY 14:51 28/1/2005	people saying we are just whining because we lost take a look at the synergy game in CSGN, it was 19-11 i think but nothing dodgy happened, AnTs are the strangest team ever and a far from legit ! :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bigwest 14:53 28/1/2005	the live message the admin spammed at beginning of each half did remind them to start recording. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pimpboy feo 14:54 28/1/2005	yes lastchance did one dodgey thing UNDONES WALLSHOT in B WAS UTTER BULLs*** !!! IT WAS LOCK ON!!!! ;P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	RazeH 14:54 28/1/2005	yer 19-11 gg ady <3 to me [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ellven 14:55 28/1/2005	ady u got what u want so stop abetting [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inferus 14:55 28/1/2005	Lastchance team had only just been reformed when you played synergy hadn't it AdY? You can normally just 'feel' something being wrong when you play against someone. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pimpboy feo 14:56 28/1/2005	it would be truly hilarious if someone from lc did forget to record :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Katori Choke 14:57 28/1/2005	"I've recorded around 2500 personal demos of games. And I bet you still haven't found any good frags! ;D" Now that made me laugh hehe see the truth can be funny too! ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Flavas Game Dimension Online 14:58 28/1/2005	Inferus 14:46 28/1/2005 Plus the rules state pov demos. Did all of LC record? duh :x Did lc do anything dodgy? :) so your telling me unless your dodgy you can break the rules? :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pimpboy feo 14:59 28/1/2005	i think they merced in the lastchance game as well my alsation went missing on that night its currently under investigation :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MonkH 15:00 28/1/2005	GMO played them at UKT finals in the qualifers it came down to last round 1on1 or summit very close and GMO finished 4th or 5th or summit [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	M4ce intensiveSports 15:00 28/1/2005	so your telling me unless your dodgy you can break the rules? :) na 'natu' got owned by clanbase, any cheats from any clan should be dealt with all the same [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	AdY 15:01 28/1/2005	this is AnTs.eu not AnTs.uk [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	proxideZ 15:04 28/1/2005	imo Lastchance you got beat fair and square, and u whined. just face it u arent gunna win them all. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inferus 15:05 28/1/2005	Well no flavas i'm not saying that, however even if one of lc was cheating then what i meant was, they must be hiding it so well it would be near impossible to prove. Hard to explain what I mean :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DiesE\| 15:06 28/1/2005	so anyway, had she been fully awake i probably would have done more. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 15:17 28/1/2005	^ROFL [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	raaazzzzz 15:21 28/1/2005	"forgot" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Flavas Game Dimension Online 15:21 28/1/2005	yes i know what your saying about being dodgy and not recording is bad, just the recording rule is for EVERYONE if the rules state it, dodgy or not! :) anyway were moving off the topic, if one of there players didnt record dodgy or not they should lose the game, and esp if hes dodgy so nice choice there by the admins [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ins 15:22 28/1/2005	:( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ndm 15:28 28/1/2005	proxideZ = proxide? If so, please stop defending other cheats you hacking f***. If not, nevermind! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MonkH 15:31 28/1/2005	AdY 15:01 28/1/2005 this is AnTs.eu not AnTs.uk AHHH ants.eu ..... is there a diffrence? :S i thought ants eu was uk aswell [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Champion In The Zone 15:34 28/1/2005	ants.eu players play for ants.uk and ants.uk players play for ants.eu ... go figure [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Danneth 15:41 28/1/2005	ul AnTs [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MadSpunk Last Chance 15:41 28/1/2005	We still all have our demos yes, of both halves. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Tru 15:42 28/1/2005	so ants.eu is ants.uk then champion [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	$aVa$ ImaGine 15:50 28/1/2005	makes sense especially when they are all chinese basicly!? -_- [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	badER 16:11 28/1/2005	LOL what f*ing bulls. AnTs were the better team, yet because one of there players forgot to record makes them lose the game? even thou there is HLTV recording. GG LC f**ing losers [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ryano theb0g 16:15 28/1/2005	I was thinking about turning on somebody who is a regular poster on ukt comments page and just constantly hurling unwarranted abuse at them. Any suggestions [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 16:17 28/1/2005	Do me, do me! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	v3zv3zv3zv3z 16:27 28/1/2005	Well watched the demo and couldnt find anything dodgy, ok some shots are pure luck, but overall mayi showed good tp on t side and worked b middle rushes really well, i remember kitty getting a 15-10 score thats really dodgy. Heard of other respected uk players who played against them there was nothing dodgy so find this all a bit weird discussion. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	StriKeN unicon.cs 16:41 28/1/2005	only for last chance, I doubt admins would have given a flying f*** for any other mediocre team. happens in all leagues, good teams get licked. But I suppose fair's fair, league won't get recognition and respect unless they have recognised and respected clans. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 16:50 28/1/2005	funny you should say that Katori.... I still haven't looked thru any of them :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	brenje reSonance 16:58 28/1/2005	No offence vezling mate, but i'd hardly call nixoh a 'respected player'. Also the guys score has very little to do with it. Nobody in their right mind would cheat in a respected league against a respected team and go for a score of 45-0 because they would just draw attention to themselves. IF the guy was cheating then he achieved what he set out to do, which was beating lastchance, Regardless of his own scoreline. Personally i think that those avi's are VERY dodgy, however not enough to make me 100% sure that the guy is infact cheating. I also think that somebody 'forgetting' to record a demo isnt enough to overide the original result and like striken said, i doubt this would have happened for a 'lower profile' team. GL in the quarter final though. ;D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	alicat! 16:59 28/1/2005	Watched the demo nothing concrete at all, ants were clearly the better team. Unfortuanetly Lastchance are still living on past glory, their current team is nowehere near as good as it used to be. Unfortuanetly Strikens summed it up best, thats the way it goes. v.ul ants. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[al]Honour! 17:03 28/1/2005	Everyone should record demo's, if you dont, its presumable that your hiding something. Your game might not be as smooth but if everyones effected then its fair (hardware variables will always exist but most people have computers that can run satisfactory anyway). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	brenje reSonance 17:03 28/1/2005	No offence to nixoh like ^^ And by the part about the demo, i meant if the guy from AnT's did just innocently forget (which i doubt he did.. but still) to record, its kinda harsh to overide the result. Especially when you consider that there was HLTV. However, if its in the rules.. its in the rules, still cant help thinking its a harsh rule. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	proxideZ 17:08 28/1/2005	exactly StrikeN & alicat! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Flavas Game Dimension Online 17:10 28/1/2005	rules are there for a reason and if you break them you should be punished, no matter how 'harsh' the rule is. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	aaNdy got:Game 17:17 28/1/2005	nath knows :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Exocet RemOte.uK 17:18 28/1/2005	if the dude remembered to stop his demo he should have remembered to start a new one up again. he didn't leave the server or anything. mayi even asked at the start of the game if they needed to record (HKitty asked i think?) so there is no excuse not to. the admin even spammed 'remember to record' a few times at the start of each half. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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	M4ce intensiveSports 13:58 28/1/2005	o.0 good cos countless times i've played and we say "demos" at the start, we're losing but no whine and we eventually lose, get to irc and its always "i forgot to record" or "here's my demo but its broken" (dated 3 or 4 weeks previously) :/ n1 lc lads + ESL [Edited by M4ce at 14:03 28/1/2005] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	oldlady 14:00 28/1/2005	damn! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 14:01 28/1/2005	lol sh*t happens! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	AdY 14:01 28/1/2005	:) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inferus 14:05 28/1/2005	Good job InspectorAdam :D Nice to see a sensible decision. I would of liked to of seen the CSGN screenshots of this guy, just to see what his fps truely is ;/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	jayy 14:06 28/1/2005	lick lick lick [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Solid` Choke 14:08 28/1/2005	So they didnt get done for cheating, just forgetting to record? lc were unlucky last night defaultin, spose this is something good for them :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Xtreme^ 14:09 28/1/2005	Good, I watched the HLTV of that hkitty and he was wallhacking imo. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bigwest 14:11 28/1/2005	they did seem to soak it up a bit. We should have asked for demos in our match in first round versus them .I Bet some of them didnt record. But dunno if the admins would have overturned it for 'us'.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Katori Choke 14:11 28/1/2005	lol poor Virgins gotta go through it all over again, gl lads :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ripper Rush! 14:11 28/1/2005	god dammit american football sucks [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bigwest 14:12 28/1/2005	Is this going to lead to everyone asking for demos in every match, just in case someone forgot to record a half. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 14:13 28/1/2005	Shame the CSGN screenshots will only be available in CSGN competitions. Still not sure why the Punkbuster screenshot thingy was stopped from being used, or even that Octavian movie thing. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	$aVa$ ImaGine 14:14 28/1/2005	Unf***inglucky! ANTS.eu Whether they like annoying me, are suicidal, or just plain stupid remains to be seen, but if I had to pick one of the above, I’d pick all of the above. They’re really annoying, these damn insects. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Nakara 14:14 28/1/2005	that american game with the sticks and thingy u have to run around is much better ripper [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LiamC 14:16 28/1/2005	nothing to say UPLOADING UR DEMOS NOW! LASTCHANCE! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	g00z quintessential 14:20 28/1/2005	hahaha what a bunch of whining c**ks lc are [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 14:20 28/1/2005	I've never ever had a problem with broken personal demos and with all the movie producing I've done in the past I've recorded around 2500 personal demos of games. Also there's no reason to stop recording midway through a match. Can't stand it when people use those blatently sh*t excuses! It always makes it look like they've got something to hide. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inferus 14:24 28/1/2005	I've recorded around 2500 personal demos of games. And I bet you still haven't found any good frags! ;D Anyone got a link to ESL rules? i'm feeling lazy. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DiesE\| 14:26 28/1/2005	well, the 2nd avi that AdY made looked utter bollocks. whether its just a random burst cos the guy at the door has caleld i dunno but it looks suspect to moi. That was good intelligence, very good intelligence. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	]-[ao AnTs Clan 14:26 28/1/2005	this is from cup admin Mike http://www.ukterrorist.com/columns/7036/ this is ESL rules: http://www.esl-europe.net/uk/cs/5on5/mr15/cup/rules/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	enc\|mike 14:29 28/1/2005	Choke\|MaT: as in the ladders of whole of the ESL there must be 2 maps played. As everyone apart from the UK Scene knows what structure is, I know for a fact that 95% of ESL players record a demo for each half. The main reason being, if there is a cheat accusation the opponent has to upload whichever half the protest creator asks for. The creator can only ask for 6 demos in total and 2 from each player. For example. Player1: Dust2 CT + Nuke T Player4: Dust2 T + Nuke T Player5: Nuke T + Nuke CT [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pimpboy feo 14:30 28/1/2005	thats what i like to see a 0 tolerance to the rules [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rude^ Jay Bee Eye! 14:32 28/1/2005	ul ants [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inferus 14:33 28/1/2005	6.2. Demos and replays If your game supports a demo- or replay-function, it is obligatory for all players to use it. The demos are to be kept for at least 14 days and must be presented to the admin at request. If a player or team suspects that another player or team is violating a regulation during a game, the demo can be demanded of the opposing team straight away. The admins are only to be called in, when suspicions continue to exist even after the demos have been viewed. In this case, the clan or player may proceed and send the admin the game demos. The admin will then take the appropriate action. It is recommended to voluntarily make all demos available to the public in order to keep the ladders transparent and interesting. For specific rules, please read the respective game rules. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	w1cked Croydon 14:34 28/1/2005	Dont see why his POV demo was needed if HLTV was on the server? ul AnTs [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inferus 14:35 28/1/2005	HLTV doesn't give the same quality as POV. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	LiamC 14:35 28/1/2005	because they said HLTV DEMO has delay... wicked [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Hotshot Choke 14:36 28/1/2005	lc-\|Kardy [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 14:42 28/1/2005	:D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	$aVa$ ImaGine 14:43 28/1/2005	Record a HLTV and a POV demo of the same match, and compare them and you will notice a big difference. There are lots of animations, sounds etc. missing and added lag/delay on the hltv one. I wouldn't ban people because of hltv, unless it's rather blatant of course. Plus the rules state pov demos. Did all of LC record? duh :x [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	stabby Virgins! 14:43 28/1/2005	^^^ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pimpboy feo 14:44 28/1/2005	this is s***e really they cheated their way to this victory and this makes it look like lastchance got the default on a gay technicality :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ellven 14:45 28/1/2005	but it is [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inferus 14:46 28/1/2005	Plus the rules state pov demos. Did all of LC record? duh :x Did lc do anything dodgy? :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 14:47 28/1/2005	Pimpboy could you really see them getting banned when there is no concrete evidence of them hacking? Its just good that they have found this loophole :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	$aVa$ ImaGine 14:47 28/1/2005	Let's ask MAGI or whatever. :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 14:49 28/1/2005	Mike, if that's the case, I hope that there's admins to tell teams to record at the beginning of each half, otherwise that's a bit out of order. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	M4ce intensiveSports 14:51 28/1/2005	wtf are MaYi? Ants.eu? who r these randoms? how many LANs they been to? my bad if the answers r blatantly obvious i'm no lc fanboy :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	AdY 14:51 28/1/2005	people saying we are just whining because we lost take a look at the synergy game in CSGN, it was 19-11 i think but nothing dodgy happened, AnTs are the strangest team ever and a far from legit ! :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bigwest 14:53 28/1/2005	the live message the admin spammed at beginning of each half did remind them to start recording. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pimpboy feo 14:54 28/1/2005	yes lastchance did one dodgey thing UNDONES WALLSHOT in B WAS UTTER BULLs*** !!! IT WAS LOCK ON!!!! ;P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	RazeH 14:54 28/1/2005	yer 19-11 gg ady <3 to me [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ellven 14:55 28/1/2005	ady u got what u want so stop abetting [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inferus 14:55 28/1/2005	Lastchance team had only just been reformed when you played synergy hadn't it AdY? You can normally just 'feel' something being wrong when you play against someone. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pimpboy feo 14:56 28/1/2005	it would be truly hilarious if someone from lc did forget to record :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Katori Choke 14:57 28/1/2005	"I've recorded around 2500 personal demos of games. And I bet you still haven't found any good frags! ;D" Now that made me laugh hehe see the truth can be funny too! ;) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Flavas Game Dimension Online 14:58 28/1/2005	Inferus 14:46 28/1/2005 Plus the rules state pov demos. Did all of LC record? duh :x Did lc do anything dodgy? :) so your telling me unless your dodgy you can break the rules? :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Pimpboy feo 14:59 28/1/2005	i think they merced in the lastchance game as well my alsation went missing on that night its currently under investigation :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MonkH 15:00 28/1/2005	GMO played them at UKT finals in the qualifers it came down to last round 1on1 or summit very close and GMO finished 4th or 5th or summit [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	M4ce intensiveSports 15:00 28/1/2005	so your telling me unless your dodgy you can break the rules? :) na 'natu' got owned by clanbase, any cheats from any clan should be dealt with all the same [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	AdY 15:01 28/1/2005	this is AnTs.eu not AnTs.uk [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	proxideZ 15:04 28/1/2005	imo Lastchance you got beat fair and square, and u whined. just face it u arent gunna win them all. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Inferus 15:05 28/1/2005	Well no flavas i'm not saying that, however even if one of lc was cheating then what i meant was, they must be hiding it so well it would be near impossible to prove. Hard to explain what I mean :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DiesE\| 15:06 28/1/2005	so anyway, had she been fully awake i probably would have done more. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ColdAsIce ImaGine 15:17 28/1/2005	^ROFL [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	raaazzzzz 15:21 28/1/2005	"forgot" [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Flavas Game Dimension Online 15:21 28/1/2005	yes i know what your saying about being dodgy and not recording is bad, just the recording rule is for EVERYONE if the rules state it, dodgy or not! :) anyway were moving off the topic, if one of there players didnt record dodgy or not they should lose the game, and esp if hes dodgy so nice choice there by the admins [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ins 15:22 28/1/2005	:( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ndm 15:28 28/1/2005	proxideZ = proxide? If so, please stop defending other cheats you hacking f***. If not, nevermind! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MonkH 15:31 28/1/2005	AdY 15:01 28/1/2005 this is AnTs.eu not AnTs.uk AHHH ants.eu ..... is there a diffrence? :S i thought ants eu was uk aswell [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Champion In The Zone 15:34 28/1/2005	ants.eu players play for ants.uk and ants.uk players play for ants.eu ... go figure [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Danneth 15:41 28/1/2005	ul AnTs [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MadSpunk Last Chance 15:41 28/1/2005	We still all have our demos yes, of both halves. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Tru 15:42 28/1/2005	so ants.eu is ants.uk then champion [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	$aVa$ ImaGine 15:50 28/1/2005	makes sense especially when they are all chinese basicly!? -_- [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	badER 16:11 28/1/2005	LOL what f*ing bulls. AnTs were the better team, yet because one of there players forgot to record makes them lose the game? even thou there is HLTV recording. GG LC f**ing losers [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ryano theb0g 16:15 28/1/2005	I was thinking about turning on somebody who is a regular poster on ukt comments page and just constantly hurling unwarranted abuse at them. Any suggestions [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 16:17 28/1/2005	Do me, do me! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	v3zv3zv3zv3z 16:27 28/1/2005	Well watched the demo and couldnt find anything dodgy, ok some shots are pure luck, but overall mayi showed good tp on t side and worked b middle rushes really well, i remember kitty getting a 15-10 score thats really dodgy. Heard of other respected uk players who played against them there was nothing dodgy so find this all a bit weird discussion. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	StriKeN unicon.cs 16:41 28/1/2005	only for last chance, I doubt admins would have given a flying f*** for any other mediocre team. happens in all leagues, good teams get licked. But I suppose fair's fair, league won't get recognition and respect unless they have recognised and respected clans. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 16:50 28/1/2005	funny you should say that Katori.... I still haven't looked thru any of them :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	brenje reSonance 16:58 28/1/2005	No offence vezling mate, but i'd hardly call nixoh a 'respected player'. Also the guys score has very little to do with it. Nobody in their right mind would cheat in a respected league against a respected team and go for a score of 45-0 because they would just draw attention to themselves. IF the guy was cheating then he achieved what he set out to do, which was beating lastchance, Regardless of his own scoreline. Personally i think that those avi's are VERY dodgy, however not enough to make me 100% sure that the guy is infact cheating. I also think that somebody 'forgetting' to record a demo isnt enough to overide the original result and like striken said, i doubt this would have happened for a 'lower profile' team. GL in the quarter final though. ;D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	alicat! 16:59 28/1/2005	Watched the demo nothing concrete at all, ants were clearly the better team. Unfortuanetly Lastchance are still living on past glory, their current team is nowehere near as good as it used to be. Unfortuanetly Strikens summed it up best, thats the way it goes. v.ul ants. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	[al]Honour! 17:03 28/1/2005	Everyone should record demo's, if you dont, its presumable that your hiding something. Your game might not be as smooth but if everyones effected then its fair (hardware variables will always exist but most people have computers that can run satisfactory anyway). [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	brenje reSonance 17:03 28/1/2005	No offence to nixoh like ^^ And by the part about the demo, i meant if the guy from AnT's did just innocently forget (which i doubt he did.. but still) to record, its kinda harsh to overide the result. Especially when you consider that there was HLTV. However, if its in the rules.. its in the rules, still cant help thinking its a harsh rule. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	proxideZ 17:08 28/1/2005	exactly StrikeN & alicat! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Flavas Game Dimension Online 17:10 28/1/2005	rules are there for a reason and if you break them you should be punished, no matter how 'harsh' the rule is. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	aaNdy got:Game 17:17 28/1/2005	nath knows :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Exocet RemOte.uK 17:18 28/1/2005	if the dude remembered to stop his demo he should have remembered to start a new one up again. he didn't leave the server or anything. mayi even asked at the start of the game if they needed to record (HKitty asked i think?) so there is no excuse not to. the admin even spammed 'remember to record' a few times at the start of each half. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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