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	FuSe 00:26 13/9/2003	goodie [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	RH Landed 00:26 13/9/2003	1.6 is gona be s* for lan with this steam s* bringing steam into it has just killed how far cs has come lan wise unless they sort it propley :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Chris0 00:26 13/9/2003	Hope its 500mb to p*** off 56k & isdn'ers :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	nicklearse Missing In Action 00:28 13/9/2003	lol chris0 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	RH Landed 00:39 13/9/2003	lol chris0 :D:D i like the way you think [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DooMeh Lite 00:40 13/9/2003	rushed post? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MagiciaN^ Jay Bee Eye! 00:44 13/9/2003	lol whats the point in doin this... surely the worst day is over? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	mouse^ 00:48 13/9/2003	steam = worst idea they came up with since that jump lag. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	gaz eNvy! 00:51 13/9/2003	yeah i would have to agree with you there ... (posted by rhyzz on schroet.com) Lets see a single person who has cussed it on this board make a program even a millionth as good as Steam. Like i said, its a good program, pricks like you lot just haven't given it a chance. The servers are completely overloaded. If you had a super fast car with 100,000 fat b****s in the boot it aint gonna go very quickly now is it, no, but if you deal with each fat b**** in turn, like Steam will do once all the updating has been finished etc, it'll be faster than the WON system and much more efficient. So shut you traps and live with it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	PHB 00:53 13/9/2003	course what rhyzz fails to realise is that the major problems with steam is the fact that it crashes bceause the programming is dodgy, not including the fact that it is running overloaded servers. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Geordie Last Chance 00:56 13/9/2003	they were going to do this anyway as was already released in a statement before, was just a matter of time, the fact that the servers are getting hit by 100,000 people constantly trying to update doesnt make steam look all that well, but it works fine i installed it in about 10 mins this morning when it was first released, be patient kids give steam a chance! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rumpaton The Bomb Squad 01:01 13/9/2003	k [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 01:06 13/9/2003	yeah I'm finally downloading now, after the previous 50 odd crashes. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 01:11 13/9/2003	they need to short this s* out. steam is the bigggest pile of s. it crashes constantly. nothing to do with downloads just w*k programming [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Geordie Last Chance 01:13 13/9/2003	i disagree fez :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Turk1sh 01:26 13/9/2003	lol everytime i go to Update Game it frezzes ffs Not Responding i mean everytime Steam is s*** why cant it stay like norm download update there ya go [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	poly The Bomb Squad 01:32 13/9/2003	does anyone else have this problem where you it just says validating files or whatever and then just crashes? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dragz 01:33 13/9/2003	I installed steam, and guess what, it hasnt detected any of my files, so it thinks I have to download every available file! I'm not the only one with this problem either. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	t0m 01:33 13/9/2003	steam is s*** [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Carvell 01:43 13/9/2003	steam is s*, shud have just kept using the old method. It was a quick changeover, it worked, and everyone got used to it, so it was really fin important they brought out team to p** all us off then wasnt it ;/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	PHB 01:45 13/9/2003	Geordie you are making the same assumptions, that it is because the servers are overloaded. Mine, and a lot of people I know is crashing when it tries to copy files from your HL folder, nothing to do with the servers. Its shoddy programing, and they should have perfected it before releasing it to the public. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MagiciaN^ Jay Bee Eye! 01:51 13/9/2003	soz but u dont need to be a genious to make a program copy some files .... and dont be fooled by everyone slagging them off ... valve DO have some genious' programming for them gotta be more to it than 'shoddy programming' [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Scrappy Sniper's Alley 01:58 13/9/2003	People are saying it's just because of the servers are overloaded etc and the number of people trying to run it. Well surely Valve knew what would happen, so why didn't they design a piece of software that would be able to cope with these easily predicted circumstances. Before whenever there was an update for CS/HL there was no problem. The system worked well, lots of sites mirrored the files, people had easy access to them and the installers didn't crash. If it aint broke don't f***ing fix it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Geordie Last Chance 02:04 13/9/2003	maybe u should be looking at your pc phb, because i know for me and a fair few others that the file copying is done within a minute or so... :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Turk1sh 02:05 13/9/2003	well fooking said Scappy [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Turk1sh 02:07 13/9/2003	Geordie its not the point this programme is s*e so many people saying its crashing in so many different places , mines crashing at updating and sumtimes it crashes loading up or just selecting the game tab , Crashing of the programme has f* all to do with the svrs being overloaded. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MagiciaN^ Jay Bee Eye! 02:19 13/9/2003	also bare in mind that CS is free ... i dont think its too much to ask for us to stress test steam for them in the process of gettin the file we want at the end of the day if valve thought steam was flawless and perfect they wouldnt have released it for their competitors to look at unless there was money being made ie ...HL2 release.... fact is that there is absolutly no was to test a program like steam except for releasing a very popular file with it and then fixing the things that go wrong [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Aimage Bleeding-edge 02:30 13/9/2003	iv d/l it all now, and guess what. it f*ing crashes when i try and connect, some bulls* about validating it stops on. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Genics thed0n 02:33 13/9/2003	yer same, think it is downloading yet more content [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 02:41 13/9/2003	Mine finally finished downloading, starts to play loads up nice picture of 2 ct's then shows the mouse eggtimer. Stays like this for a while til I ctrl-alt-del and find out its stopped responding. Its only crashed about 9 times upto now does that pass as good or bad ;? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Baby_Joker 03:00 13/9/2003	Im with Geordie once the updating is done it works realy well. Be patient and mybe judge it in a few weeks. Im sure even the .exe version will be steam still just with all the updates in cluded. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Andros 03:14 13/9/2003	fileplanet have the full installer 379meg patch now available [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Grunt 03:16 13/9/2003	cs never crashed for me, tricked me into telling me cs had fully downloaded though apart from that steam is quite good as for cs - buy a shield and have some fun before the novelty wears off, as when it does its just gona p*** you off [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	emfive 04:30 13/9/2003	First taste of 1.6 action, down with the shield! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Tax0r^-- euthanasia 04:33 13/9/2003	i think Steam is the worst idea going :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Scoodles 06:07 13/9/2003	guess chirs0 almost got what he wanted..379mb thats what...hrmm 15hours 46minutes 13 seconds on a perfect 56k...so lets be realistic and make it a round 20 hours then ofcourse is the fact you only really have a choice of fileplanet to download from anyways...so lets add another hour...2hour disconnect on most 56k also ? lets add a bit for reconnections...actually cba...my advice to 56k'rs dont even bother...it aint worth it =] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 07:04 13/9/2003	death to the 56kers, about time too [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gristy 07:36 13/9/2003	if they need it that bad they can just get it off people on cd-r or from fileplanet that way when the steam content update comes out. i left mine on all night last night and cs is nearly updated. thank god. think ill wait a long time before trying to play the other mods on the list [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	biffster 2seXeh 2perfoRm 08:46 13/9/2003	traditional download, heavly used few mirrors around! Saves using steam its 400mb so prepared for a long wait, not as long as steam mind u :D [url= http://csnation.counter-strike.net/comments.php?id=6462] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 09:02 13/9/2003	Thing is geo, steam may be something of a good idea in THEORY, but in practice it is cumbersome and intrusive. No program should ever auto-add itself to load with windows, especially not one used for a game. The amount of times they have it sending and requesting data from the overloaded servers is far too often - even when everyone has it donwloaded the servers are gonna be pretty much full all the time because of how badly designed and implemented the system is. It needs a major overhaul and at the end of the day will still never be loved because it just smacks too much of Microsoft's ideas of "you rent the software, you don't buy it... so we're gonna force you to upgrade all the time" Keep it as a beta delivery platform, that's all it's good for [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	hihi zebras 09:06 13/9/2003	hasnt crashed once for me, i dled it all early and its been fine since. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Necroboy fightclubclan 09:35 13/9/2003	I have found so many bugs it makes me want to jump out a window. I feel sorry for people who have to make this s* work on 50+ pcs at computer cafes. - I close steam, try to open it again.... its still running. clt-alt del. now it works. - My pc crashes alot due to another problem which i cant solve, its crashed a couple of times during updating and steam exes has deleted itself twice during a crash. So I had to reinstall. - Im trying to download the program now, its coming up with an error saying the cache file is corrupt, fair enuf, my pc has crashed. I keep clicking "Flush file now", and it keeps coming up with the same error, this is for the 5th time.... - There are ads on the page where you dl. Thanks for forcing us to download software and then put ads in. - Why does the program hang all the time? Its just stupid because you dont know whats going on. Normal programs have some sort of status of whats going on... it doesnt just fing hang. A few of these problems might go away when there arent not so many people downloading it. But its still the biggest piece of s** software ever. BTW, anyone have a valve forum where I can post this? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gristy 09:43 13/9/2003	yes my exe disappeared when i rebooted i got cs updating late last night 11 hours left it says 0 seconds left but still carrys on to download. it then freezes so i re open it and it starts downloading again [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty- Prozac 09:46 13/9/2003	this is really good news. 56k dont care if its 500 megs, at least you can be sure somethings absolutely happening [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ghost ctx 09:52 13/9/2003	Steam is quite a good program for providing automatic updates to games, you cant possibly judge the speed of it when millions of people are trying to download from it at once, give it a chance and if it still crashing etc even when on a normal server load then im sure valve will sort the problem. As for the Steam having to verify itself over the internet before you play CS, hence putting LANS's with no inet connection out of bounds, well that problem is being fixed and should be fine at the next update of Steam. The only problem I have with 1.6 is that is totally rapes my fps, in maps that i used to get 100 or thereabouts I now get 70ish, and lets not even talk about my now 20fps on aztec :S If you ask me 1.6 is simply 1.5 but with much s***ter fps, altho in saying that the shield is one of the best things to come into CS for a long while :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ghost ctx 09:53 13/9/2003	Oh, and Necroboy, most if not all of those errors and crashes are because the Steam servers are overloaded, give it a day or 2 and try again and you shouldnt have any problems. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Necroboy fightclubclan 10:00 13/9/2003	"Steam is quite a good program for providing automatic updates to games, you cant possibly judge the speed of it when millions of people are trying to download from it at once, give it a chance and if it still crashing etc even when on a normal server load then im sure valve will sort the problem." How can it be good for automatic updates for games when it cant handle cs 1.6? Imagine if these problems come up everytime steam releases an update... Well ghost, I actually tried steam few weeks ago, and yes, It did have alot of the same problems but not as often. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty- Prozac 10:08 13/9/2003	As for the Steam having to verify itself over the internet before you play CS, hence putting LANS's with no inet connection out of bounds, well that problem is being fixed and should be fine at the next update of Steam. Ghost you muppet, it wont be fixed they want that feature because it means they can tell if every LAN centre is paying their license fees without any hassle at all for them. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ara 10:15 13/9/2003	why exactly have valve started with Steam? Did the old way not work or something, dont get it really. They go from an easy method to a full buggy method and for what? Why would steam be better? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Carvell 10:17 13/9/2003	im downloading now due to the 7hr wait last night but dunno if i cba with all the negative s***e being said abt it. Shud I just quit out, leave the CS fraternity and seek an alternative lifestyle in Barbados? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	brutal The Next Generation 10:25 13/9/2003	Yes Stu, fo now!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shotti theb0g 10:30 13/9/2003	i aint touching steam untill hl2 comes out :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Wu^ 10:31 13/9/2003	I get to the screen with the 2 gimps of 1 with glock and 1 with a bent shotgun. (one with shotgun looks like a nonse imo). Anyways when i tried joinnig a server this monring it just times out and stops respoinding. Now i cant even get to the screen with the 2 gimps on cos it just says CS has stop responding. using steam so far makes me want to whitey >_< [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 10:35 13/9/2003	one with shotgun looks like a nonse imo yeh if he held a shotgun like that round my way he'd get a slap [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bdL 10:41 13/9/2003	LOL!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	hihi zebras 10:41 13/9/2003	what ghost said, most errors are due to steam servs being overloaded. peopel who got it early dont have any of the problems u guys r talking about :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ObZ^ 10:41 13/9/2003	i cant even load the gay programe anymore ! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Wu^ 10:43 13/9/2003	lol yer fox. I managed to get on again, tried joining a server and it just stays on "parsing server info" , now i dont know what parsing server info means but if this carrys on i'll be parsing the maker of steams head open. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Samje 10:46 13/9/2003	last night i left steam going, and it crashed my computer, and now my USB ports dont work... anyone know why? ... :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	kayone Landed LAN 10:50 13/9/2003	what a load of bollox. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Wu^ 11:05 13/9/2003	i feel ill [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bdL 11:12 13/9/2003	:( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	silicon 11:13 13/9/2003	when its working properly I'm sure it'll be good, there are lots of plus' regarding steam. Before when you alt tabbed out and back again to HL you could press escape and resume to refresh the video display.. anyone know how you can do that now? vid_restart doesn't (infact no vid_ commands) exist.. so I alt tab back and have a corrupt screen. And the shield.. sigh.. servers please restrict it. People sit there on the bridge with the shield out and nothing can be done. sigh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gristy 11:15 13/9/2003	Ara. so they could sell there new games over the internet via steam i belive was the main reason [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	endless fluid element 11:18 13/9/2003	I started steam before I went to school, was done when I got back, had no major problems at all really. One of the big problems seems to be steam still updating even after the main download is finished, meaning CS just hangs on the splash screen with a 'busy' mouse cursor for a while. Once everyone has it, and the rush is over, I guess steam will be just like WON, in terms of speed and reliability. And like people have said, the full installer will surely still use steam to autheticate / login etc. you NEED a steam ID to play, so if anybody thinks its going to be the same at 1.5 is most likely in for a suprise.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 11:27 13/9/2003	Lets see a single person who has cussed it on this board make a program even a millionth as good as Steam. Like i said, its a good program, pricks like you lot just haven't given it a chance. The servers are completely overloaded. If you had a super fast car with 100,000 fat b****s in the boot it aint gonna go very quickly now is it, no, but if you deal with each fat b** in turn, like Steam will do once all the updating has been finished etc, it'll be faster than the WON system and much more efficient. So shut you traps and live with it lol Rhyzz, you're an idiot thanks to Steam, I can no longer plays two games I have paid for, and even when i can I have to view adverts, how do I not have a right to complain Sure I couldn't build a program as good as steam, but I don't profess to be able to, and it doesn't make it any less s* simply cos I couldn't make an equally terrible piece of software. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Scrappy Sniper's Alley 11:28 13/9/2003	For those of you who havent got the original installer to work put this in your downloadacccelertor http://212.203.28.113/ (remove this) dl/SteamInstall_C- -- S.exe I'm- getting 250k/s and it's only gonna take 30 mins. Far less hassle. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bdL 11:45 13/9/2003	git! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sU Warped Reality 11:51 13/9/2003	how anyone can say steam is good makes me laff. Yes in Theory maybe it is a cracking idea. The amount of bugs and errors at 1st amazes me, but then I look back over the short period of time valve have taken over cs and then think that this amount of bugs and errors are consistent with valve. Dont know why people try to use the "overloaded" argument, when they are charging us 9 quid a month and the latest update comes out and it crashes or doesnt work for a day or so will you accept that? i think not. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Benji- 12:02 13/9/2003	eat some cat s***, you'll be fine. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Macca 12:04 13/9/2003	CS players in general can’t tell their arse from their elbow. Ever since CS has gone mainstream there’s been massive queues, slow downloading and waiting when a new version comes out and people have just sat in silence and accepted that the FTPs are packed. NOT THIS TIME BUDDY! They have something to blame it on, enter Steam; sure the problem with slow downloads (or no downloads in most cases) is worse than ever before when a beta/version was released because more people are downloading it, what the f* do you expect? Sure you can say 'I paid for this game i demand to get my moneys worth!' Give it a rest you moron - your vacuum cleaner and television break from time to time, you don’t go to the internet and moan about that do you? Things don’t last for ever, lucky for us its only a temporary problem (unfortunately for your vacuum clears you’ll have to buy a new one – ever heard of the wall street crash?) OH NO YOU CAN’T PLAY CS FOR 2/3 DAYS. s* f* f* s*** NOOO WHAT ELSE CAN I DO WITH MY TIME? Read a book [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	polaris church 12:06 13/9/2003	err, people saying servers are being overloaded. Most probs are the program itself, it's so f*ing poor. How can you assume that when people get to the screen say coying the files to the new dir ect, how has that got anything to do with the fing servers being overloaded, please tell me I'd love to know. It's a pile of s**, even with this patch now it's still poor. I just don't see why they didn't realise this bloody patch in the first place? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bdL 12:13 13/9/2003	macca it's steam alone mate not the servers. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sU Warped Reality 12:13 13/9/2003	if i had handed this in at my uni i would be laffed at. The questions my lecturer would ask ... Is it suppose to work? Did u actually test it? :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	acron^ Sector7G 12:22 13/9/2003	from experience, if Steam "crashes" (and I mean XP will display it as 'Not Responding') then it's usually doing/downloading/copying/creating something - just leave it for a few minutes and it fixes itself. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sU Warped Reality 12:22 13/9/2003	if your opponent resigns from a game of checkers then its ctrl-alt-del to freedom :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	AndersSchm 12:24 13/9/2003	While Steam is in the news I am eagerly awaiting Hotshots next headline : I envision something like "Steam a lot of hot air" or "Players venting Steam over 1.6 download". Do I get a job at UKT for these? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bdL 12:42 13/9/2003	lol [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Macca 12:51 13/9/2003	In my 'limited' experience with steam its crashed twice - and the reason i aint come to the forums and flaimed the steam.exe is because i know why it crashed, true it could have been coded better, but if you care to take a look in your steamerrorlogs directory, all is explained (in my case anyway). errorlog00001.txt Error:Steam error: SteamProcessCall(WaitForAppReadyToLaunch, 0xab000f,0x1dbfc04,- -- -- -- 0x1dbfd0c)- failed with error 1: Steam is busy, please try again later Function trace: errorlog00002.txt Error:CJoinGa- meDialog::onSteamError()- : launch game failed, with steam error: SteamProcessCall(WaitForAppReadyToLaunch, 0xab000f, 0x1dbfc04,- -- -- 0x1dbfd0c)- failed with error 1: Steam is busy, please try again later Function trace: HMM why is steam crashing? Because the servers are overloaded. All they need to do is put some error handling in and hey presto! Rather than freezing your computer when the servers are overloaded is put a little error box 'SORRY THE SERVER IS BUSY THANK YOU COME AGAIN' [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Geordie Last Chance 12:56 13/9/2003	never crashed for me once and installed first time, whos the usless peice of s* u aliasing c*! :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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	FuSe 00:26 13/9/2003	goodie [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	RH Landed 00:26 13/9/2003	1.6 is gona be s* for lan with this steam s* bringing steam into it has just killed how far cs has come lan wise unless they sort it propley :( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Chris0 00:26 13/9/2003	Hope its 500mb to p*** off 56k & isdn'ers :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	nicklearse Missing In Action 00:28 13/9/2003	lol chris0 [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	RH Landed 00:39 13/9/2003	lol chris0 :D:D i like the way you think [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DooMeh Lite 00:40 13/9/2003	rushed post? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MagiciaN^ Jay Bee Eye! 00:44 13/9/2003	lol whats the point in doin this... surely the worst day is over? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	mouse^ 00:48 13/9/2003	steam = worst idea they came up with since that jump lag. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	gaz eNvy! 00:51 13/9/2003	yeah i would have to agree with you there ... (posted by rhyzz on schroet.com) Lets see a single person who has cussed it on this board make a program even a millionth as good as Steam. Like i said, its a good program, pricks like you lot just haven't given it a chance. The servers are completely overloaded. If you had a super fast car with 100,000 fat b****s in the boot it aint gonna go very quickly now is it, no, but if you deal with each fat b**** in turn, like Steam will do once all the updating has been finished etc, it'll be faster than the WON system and much more efficient. So shut you traps and live with it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	PHB 00:53 13/9/2003	course what rhyzz fails to realise is that the major problems with steam is the fact that it crashes bceause the programming is dodgy, not including the fact that it is running overloaded servers. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Geordie Last Chance 00:56 13/9/2003	they were going to do this anyway as was already released in a statement before, was just a matter of time, the fact that the servers are getting hit by 100,000 people constantly trying to update doesnt make steam look all that well, but it works fine i installed it in about 10 mins this morning when it was first released, be patient kids give steam a chance! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Rumpaton The Bomb Squad 01:01 13/9/2003	k [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Choke\|MaT Choke 01:06 13/9/2003	yeah I'm finally downloading now, after the previous 50 odd crashes. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	fez 01:11 13/9/2003	they need to short this s* out. steam is the bigggest pile of s. it crashes constantly. nothing to do with downloads just w*k programming [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Geordie Last Chance 01:13 13/9/2003	i disagree fez :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Turk1sh 01:26 13/9/2003	lol everytime i go to Update Game it frezzes ffs Not Responding i mean everytime Steam is s*** why cant it stay like norm download update there ya go [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	poly The Bomb Squad 01:32 13/9/2003	does anyone else have this problem where you it just says validating files or whatever and then just crashes? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	dragz 01:33 13/9/2003	I installed steam, and guess what, it hasnt detected any of my files, so it thinks I have to download every available file! I'm not the only one with this problem either. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	t0m 01:33 13/9/2003	steam is s*** [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Carvell 01:43 13/9/2003	steam is s*, shud have just kept using the old method. It was a quick changeover, it worked, and everyone got used to it, so it was really fin important they brought out team to p** all us off then wasnt it ;/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	PHB 01:45 13/9/2003	Geordie you are making the same assumptions, that it is because the servers are overloaded. Mine, and a lot of people I know is crashing when it tries to copy files from your HL folder, nothing to do with the servers. Its shoddy programing, and they should have perfected it before releasing it to the public. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MagiciaN^ Jay Bee Eye! 01:51 13/9/2003	soz but u dont need to be a genious to make a program copy some files .... and dont be fooled by everyone slagging them off ... valve DO have some genious' programming for them gotta be more to it than 'shoddy programming' [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Scrappy Sniper's Alley 01:58 13/9/2003	People are saying it's just because of the servers are overloaded etc and the number of people trying to run it. Well surely Valve knew what would happen, so why didn't they design a piece of software that would be able to cope with these easily predicted circumstances. Before whenever there was an update for CS/HL there was no problem. The system worked well, lots of sites mirrored the files, people had easy access to them and the installers didn't crash. If it aint broke don't f***ing fix it. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Geordie Last Chance 02:04 13/9/2003	maybe u should be looking at your pc phb, because i know for me and a fair few others that the file copying is done within a minute or so... :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Turk1sh 02:05 13/9/2003	well fooking said Scappy [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Turk1sh 02:07 13/9/2003	Geordie its not the point this programme is s*e so many people saying its crashing in so many different places , mines crashing at updating and sumtimes it crashes loading up or just selecting the game tab , Crashing of the programme has f* all to do with the svrs being overloaded. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	MagiciaN^ Jay Bee Eye! 02:19 13/9/2003	also bare in mind that CS is free ... i dont think its too much to ask for us to stress test steam for them in the process of gettin the file we want at the end of the day if valve thought steam was flawless and perfect they wouldnt have released it for their competitors to look at unless there was money being made ie ...HL2 release.... fact is that there is absolutly no was to test a program like steam except for releasing a very popular file with it and then fixing the things that go wrong [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Aimage Bleeding-edge 02:30 13/9/2003	iv d/l it all now, and guess what. it f*ing crashes when i try and connect, some bulls* about validating it stops on. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Genics thed0n 02:33 13/9/2003	yer same, think it is downloading yet more content [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Loxam Lite 02:41 13/9/2003	Mine finally finished downloading, starts to play loads up nice picture of 2 ct's then shows the mouse eggtimer. Stays like this for a while til I ctrl-alt-del and find out its stopped responding. Its only crashed about 9 times upto now does that pass as good or bad ;? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Baby_Joker 03:00 13/9/2003	Im with Geordie once the updating is done it works realy well. Be patient and mybe judge it in a few weeks. Im sure even the .exe version will be steam still just with all the updates in cluded. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Andros 03:14 13/9/2003	fileplanet have the full installer 379meg patch now available [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Grunt 03:16 13/9/2003	cs never crashed for me, tricked me into telling me cs had fully downloaded though apart from that steam is quite good as for cs - buy a shield and have some fun before the novelty wears off, as when it does its just gona p*** you off [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	emfive 04:30 13/9/2003	First taste of 1.6 action, down with the shield! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Tax0r^-- euthanasia 04:33 13/9/2003	i think Steam is the worst idea going :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Scoodles 06:07 13/9/2003	guess chirs0 almost got what he wanted..379mb thats what...hrmm 15hours 46minutes 13 seconds on a perfect 56k...so lets be realistic and make it a round 20 hours then ofcourse is the fact you only really have a choice of fileplanet to download from anyways...so lets add another hour...2hour disconnect on most 56k also ? lets add a bit for reconnections...actually cba...my advice to 56k'rs dont even bother...it aint worth it =] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 07:04 13/9/2003	death to the 56kers, about time too [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gristy 07:36 13/9/2003	if they need it that bad they can just get it off people on cd-r or from fileplanet that way when the steam content update comes out. i left mine on all night last night and cs is nearly updated. thank god. think ill wait a long time before trying to play the other mods on the list [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	biffster 2seXeh 2perfoRm 08:46 13/9/2003	traditional download, heavly used few mirrors around! Saves using steam its 400mb so prepared for a long wait, not as long as steam mind u :D [url= http://csnation.counter-strike.net/comments.php?id=6462] [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	DoZ Anti-saviour of UKT 09:02 13/9/2003	Thing is geo, steam may be something of a good idea in THEORY, but in practice it is cumbersome and intrusive. No program should ever auto-add itself to load with windows, especially not one used for a game. The amount of times they have it sending and requesting data from the overloaded servers is far too often - even when everyone has it donwloaded the servers are gonna be pretty much full all the time because of how badly designed and implemented the system is. It needs a major overhaul and at the end of the day will still never be loved because it just smacks too much of Microsoft's ideas of "you rent the software, you don't buy it... so we're gonna force you to upgrade all the time" Keep it as a beta delivery platform, that's all it's good for [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	hihi zebras 09:06 13/9/2003	hasnt crashed once for me, i dled it all early and its been fine since. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Necroboy fightclubclan 09:35 13/9/2003	I have found so many bugs it makes me want to jump out a window. I feel sorry for people who have to make this s* work on 50+ pcs at computer cafes. - I close steam, try to open it again.... its still running. clt-alt del. now it works. - My pc crashes alot due to another problem which i cant solve, its crashed a couple of times during updating and steam exes has deleted itself twice during a crash. So I had to reinstall. - Im trying to download the program now, its coming up with an error saying the cache file is corrupt, fair enuf, my pc has crashed. I keep clicking "Flush file now", and it keeps coming up with the same error, this is for the 5th time.... - There are ads on the page where you dl. Thanks for forcing us to download software and then put ads in. - Why does the program hang all the time? Its just stupid because you dont know whats going on. Normal programs have some sort of status of whats going on... it doesnt just fing hang. A few of these problems might go away when there arent not so many people downloading it. But its still the biggest piece of s** software ever. BTW, anyone have a valve forum where I can post this? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gristy 09:43 13/9/2003	yes my exe disappeared when i rebooted i got cs updating late last night 11 hours left it says 0 seconds left but still carrys on to download. it then freezes so i re open it and it starts downloading again [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty- Prozac 09:46 13/9/2003	this is really good news. 56k dont care if its 500 megs, at least you can be sure somethings absolutely happening [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ghost ctx 09:52 13/9/2003	Steam is quite a good program for providing automatic updates to games, you cant possibly judge the speed of it when millions of people are trying to download from it at once, give it a chance and if it still crashing etc even when on a normal server load then im sure valve will sort the problem. As for the Steam having to verify itself over the internet before you play CS, hence putting LANS's with no inet connection out of bounds, well that problem is being fixed and should be fine at the next update of Steam. The only problem I have with 1.6 is that is totally rapes my fps, in maps that i used to get 100 or thereabouts I now get 70ish, and lets not even talk about my now 20fps on aztec :S If you ask me 1.6 is simply 1.5 but with much s***ter fps, altho in saying that the shield is one of the best things to come into CS for a long while :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ghost ctx 09:53 13/9/2003	Oh, and Necroboy, most if not all of those errors and crashes are because the Steam servers are overloaded, give it a day or 2 and try again and you shouldnt have any problems. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Necroboy fightclubclan 10:00 13/9/2003	"Steam is quite a good program for providing automatic updates to games, you cant possibly judge the speed of it when millions of people are trying to download from it at once, give it a chance and if it still crashing etc even when on a normal server load then im sure valve will sort the problem." How can it be good for automatic updates for games when it cant handle cs 1.6? Imagine if these problems come up everytime steam releases an update... Well ghost, I actually tried steam few weeks ago, and yes, It did have alot of the same problems but not as often. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Anisty- Prozac 10:08 13/9/2003	As for the Steam having to verify itself over the internet before you play CS, hence putting LANS's with no inet connection out of bounds, well that problem is being fixed and should be fine at the next update of Steam. Ghost you muppet, it wont be fixed they want that feature because it means they can tell if every LAN centre is paying their license fees without any hassle at all for them. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Ara 10:15 13/9/2003	why exactly have valve started with Steam? Did the old way not work or something, dont get it really. They go from an easy method to a full buggy method and for what? Why would steam be better? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Carvell 10:17 13/9/2003	im downloading now due to the 7hr wait last night but dunno if i cba with all the negative s***e being said abt it. Shud I just quit out, leave the CS fraternity and seek an alternative lifestyle in Barbados? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	brutal The Next Generation 10:25 13/9/2003	Yes Stu, fo now!!!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	shotti theb0g 10:30 13/9/2003	i aint touching steam untill hl2 comes out :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Wu^ 10:31 13/9/2003	I get to the screen with the 2 gimps of 1 with glock and 1 with a bent shotgun. (one with shotgun looks like a nonse imo). Anyways when i tried joinnig a server this monring it just times out and stops respoinding. Now i cant even get to the screen with the 2 gimps on cos it just says CS has stop responding. using steam so far makes me want to whitey >_< [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Fox ClanNEW 10:35 13/9/2003	one with shotgun looks like a nonse imo yeh if he held a shotgun like that round my way he'd get a slap [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bdL 10:41 13/9/2003	LOL!! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	hihi zebras 10:41 13/9/2003	what ghost said, most errors are due to steam servs being overloaded. peopel who got it early dont have any of the problems u guys r talking about :o [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	ObZ^ 10:41 13/9/2003	i cant even load the gay programe anymore ! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Wu^ 10:43 13/9/2003	lol yer fox. I managed to get on again, tried joining a server and it just stays on "parsing server info" , now i dont know what parsing server info means but if this carrys on i'll be parsing the maker of steams head open. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Samje 10:46 13/9/2003	last night i left steam going, and it crashed my computer, and now my USB ports dont work... anyone know why? ... :/ [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	kayone Landed LAN 10:50 13/9/2003	what a load of bollox. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Wu^ 11:05 13/9/2003	i feel ill [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bdL 11:12 13/9/2003	:( [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	silicon 11:13 13/9/2003	when its working properly I'm sure it'll be good, there are lots of plus' regarding steam. Before when you alt tabbed out and back again to HL you could press escape and resume to refresh the video display.. anyone know how you can do that now? vid_restart doesn't (infact no vid_ commands) exist.. so I alt tab back and have a corrupt screen. And the shield.. sigh.. servers please restrict it. People sit there on the bridge with the shield out and nothing can be done. sigh [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Gristy 11:15 13/9/2003	Ara. so they could sell there new games over the internet via steam i belive was the main reason [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	endless fluid element 11:18 13/9/2003	I started steam before I went to school, was done when I got back, had no major problems at all really. One of the big problems seems to be steam still updating even after the main download is finished, meaning CS just hangs on the splash screen with a 'busy' mouse cursor for a while. Once everyone has it, and the rush is over, I guess steam will be just like WON, in terms of speed and reliability. And like people have said, the full installer will surely still use steam to autheticate / login etc. you NEED a steam ID to play, so if anybody thinks its going to be the same at 1.5 is most likely in for a suprise.. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Smittins 11:27 13/9/2003	Lets see a single person who has cussed it on this board make a program even a millionth as good as Steam. Like i said, its a good program, pricks like you lot just haven't given it a chance. The servers are completely overloaded. If you had a super fast car with 100,000 fat b****s in the boot it aint gonna go very quickly now is it, no, but if you deal with each fat b** in turn, like Steam will do once all the updating has been finished etc, it'll be faster than the WON system and much more efficient. So shut you traps and live with it lol Rhyzz, you're an idiot thanks to Steam, I can no longer plays two games I have paid for, and even when i can I have to view adverts, how do I not have a right to complain Sure I couldn't build a program as good as steam, but I don't profess to be able to, and it doesn't make it any less s* simply cos I couldn't make an equally terrible piece of software. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Scrappy Sniper's Alley 11:28 13/9/2003	For those of you who havent got the original installer to work put this in your downloadacccelertor http://212.203.28.113/ (remove this) dl/SteamInstall_C- -- S.exe I'm- getting 250k/s and it's only gonna take 30 mins. Far less hassle. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bdL 11:45 13/9/2003	git! [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sU Warped Reality 11:51 13/9/2003	how anyone can say steam is good makes me laff. Yes in Theory maybe it is a cracking idea. The amount of bugs and errors at 1st amazes me, but then I look back over the short period of time valve have taken over cs and then think that this amount of bugs and errors are consistent with valve. Dont know why people try to use the "overloaded" argument, when they are charging us 9 quid a month and the latest update comes out and it crashes or doesnt work for a day or so will you accept that? i think not. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Benji- 12:02 13/9/2003	eat some cat s***, you'll be fine. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Macca 12:04 13/9/2003	CS players in general can’t tell their arse from their elbow. Ever since CS has gone mainstream there’s been massive queues, slow downloading and waiting when a new version comes out and people have just sat in silence and accepted that the FTPs are packed. NOT THIS TIME BUDDY! They have something to blame it on, enter Steam; sure the problem with slow downloads (or no downloads in most cases) is worse than ever before when a beta/version was released because more people are downloading it, what the f* do you expect? Sure you can say 'I paid for this game i demand to get my moneys worth!' Give it a rest you moron - your vacuum cleaner and television break from time to time, you don’t go to the internet and moan about that do you? Things don’t last for ever, lucky for us its only a temporary problem (unfortunately for your vacuum clears you’ll have to buy a new one – ever heard of the wall street crash?) OH NO YOU CAN’T PLAY CS FOR 2/3 DAYS. s* f* f* s*** NOOO WHAT ELSE CAN I DO WITH MY TIME? Read a book [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	polaris church 12:06 13/9/2003	err, people saying servers are being overloaded. Most probs are the program itself, it's so f*ing poor. How can you assume that when people get to the screen say coying the files to the new dir ect, how has that got anything to do with the fing servers being overloaded, please tell me I'd love to know. It's a pile of s**, even with this patch now it's still poor. I just don't see why they didn't realise this bloody patch in the first place? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bdL 12:13 13/9/2003	macca it's steam alone mate not the servers. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sU Warped Reality 12:13 13/9/2003	if i had handed this in at my uni i would be laffed at. The questions my lecturer would ask ... Is it suppose to work? Did u actually test it? :P [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	acron^ Sector7G 12:22 13/9/2003	from experience, if Steam "crashes" (and I mean XP will display it as 'Not Responding') then it's usually doing/downloading/copying/creating something - just leave it for a few minutes and it fixes itself. [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	sU Warped Reality 12:22 13/9/2003	if your opponent resigns from a game of checkers then its ctrl-alt-del to freedom :) [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	AndersSchm 12:24 13/9/2003	While Steam is in the news I am eagerly awaiting Hotshots next headline : I envision something like "Steam a lot of hot air" or "Players venting Steam over 1.6 download". Do I get a job at UKT for these? [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	bdL 12:42 13/9/2003	lol [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Macca 12:51 13/9/2003	In my 'limited' experience with steam its crashed twice - and the reason i aint come to the forums and flaimed the steam.exe is because i know why it crashed, true it could have been coded better, but if you care to take a look in your steamerrorlogs directory, all is explained (in my case anyway). errorlog00001.txt Error:Steam error: SteamProcessCall(WaitForAppReadyToLaunch, 0xab000f,0x1dbfc04,- -- -- -- 0x1dbfd0c)- failed with error 1: Steam is busy, please try again later Function trace: errorlog00002.txt Error:CJoinGa- meDialog::onSteamError()- : launch game failed, with steam error: SteamProcessCall(WaitForAppReadyToLaunch, 0xab000f, 0x1dbfc04,- -- -- 0x1dbfd0c)- failed with error 1: Steam is busy, please try again later Function trace: HMM why is steam crashing? Because the servers are overloaded. All they need to do is put some error handling in and hey presto! Rather than freezing your computer when the servers are overloaded is put a little error box 'SORRY THE SERVER IS BUSY THANK YOU COME AGAIN' [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]
	Geordie Last Chance 12:56 13/9/2003	never crashed for me once and installed first time, whos the usless peice of s* u aliasing c*! :D [ Comment: Report \| IP: Logged ]

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