Has Steam been spying on us?

Posted by N3M- at 20:56 12/9/2003.

There have been a lot of rumours floating around about contents of the steam file 'gcache', which a few people have reported to contain references to files downloaded from peer-to-peer programs such as KaZaA.

VALVe's (plausible) explanation about this is simply that the cache file contains "garbage" old content from your hard disc when it is first created, and this info is gradually overwritten as the file is used.

Unfortunately most of the discussion on this issue has been on a CS cheat site, which obviously we're not going to link to from here. But some of it has been mirrored on our forums for your inspection.

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arsen
Head Arse
UKTerrorist
21:03 12/9/2003
Had to remove the link..sorry to all kritikal wannabes. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Geordie
Last Chance
21:08 12/9/2003
er its taken totally out of context, and this shouldnt even be posted, its to do with the mp3 player, also there was an explination in email from valve representatives talking about the caching process it can be explained, also the fact that its a bright spark from a CHEATING website who try to tarnish the game as much as they can doesnt suprise me. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Geordie
Last Chance
21:10 12/9/2003
-----Original Message-----
From: Derrick Birum
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 11:52 AM
To: Erik Johnson; Gabe Newell; John Cook
Subject: RE: gcache and its mysteries.
The cache file gets created on the client using the Windows CreateFile() command. This command will create the file but not initialize it. Due to the large size of the file, we don't bother initializing the empty data blocks in it as this can take an appreciable amount of time. On NTFS machines, files created with this method happen to have the property of appearing empty (initialized to zero) but for FAT32 machines, it shows up as whatever old data was sitting on drive in the sectors that just got allocated for the cache. The people that are reporting this behavior are actually seeing old data from their hard drives.

10q and goodnight [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
eC^
BLACKLiGHT
21:10 12/9/2003
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=495151&flat=yes [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
eC^
BLACKLiGHT
21:12 12/9/2003
oh yeh, and 1268 minutes to go.....speedy.. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
madmk
21:26 12/9/2003
you know hwen ure HD is in intesive use because ure comp seems a tad slower and/or you can hear your HD working/clicking etc? well i get that as soon as i load steam, and as i end task it, it goes.. why would basically a cs launcher take so much cpu/hd work? :E
STEAM = SKYNET I TELL YOU [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
conspiracy
21:27 12/9/2003
-= LoL MaTeS =- [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PHB
21:33 12/9/2003
Anyone else stalled on

"Converting Base Goldsrc Shared Content Localized files into steam cache..."

Its happened 4 times now, HELP! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Aimage
Bleeding-edge
21:37 12/9/2003
I really do hate steam [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
brutal
The Next Generation
21:37 12/9/2003
lol dumb f***s [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
omg ! Sarge
Shoot First Ask Later
21:39 12/9/2003
steams stalled on mine at various points, i think its sheer amount of users on it at one time, i had like 170 mins left dl then it just hung, sigh [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
PHB
21:42 12/9/2003
Can people confirm these steps for me.

Install Steam.
Update Platform
Create and Account
Update Platform again
Download The selected mods.
The screen when they copy the files from the old HL directory. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Chris0
21:42 12/9/2003
1 line had "Jason f***s Steve All Night #5" they must be searching for it........ oh [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Andros
21:43 12/9/2003
steam alwasys stalls it took 3 hours to intall it this morning if u think its not working check the monitor if crashed restart best bet is just to leave it for hours and hours and it will eventually get all the files [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Chris0
21:44 12/9/2003
Mine got to 56% then i went afk come back and it was 33% [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
N38
21:46 12/9/2003
ye PHB, just it takes about 12 hours rather than the previous 20 minutes to download the fixed .exe

And didnt valve say this was a quicker and easier way ?

nah. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
eXp
21:57 12/9/2003
www.welovearnold.com :o :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MaCcA^
22:05 12/9/2003
Steam may seem bad now, but thats only because everyone is trying to get it... in the long run it will be an improvement over the old standards. You could see how smoothly the last beta ran but when it was first launched and leeked the whole community tried to access it once again. Just be patient and it will sort itself out soon. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Gristy
22:17 12/9/2003
i click install and it hangs. [the mod install thing] oh well will just wait [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Triz
22:19 12/9/2003
aye saw this on irc, didnt believe it - if it was spyware i doubt it would be so easy to find with a hex editor.

as for steam id rather stick with the old hl.exe, steam has its good side but its just not user friendly im on a p4 3 gig, etc but it takes about a minute just to load the steam.exe, looks more like an a-level project design.

the friends system on it may be handy tho, specially for when your looking for mates before matches [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
eC^
BLACKLiGHT
22:43 12/9/2003
It takes a min to load up cause it's connecting as well, takes about the same as MSN does.

Plus it's the first time anyone has really tried to do something like Steam... Rockets didn't work too well at first either, boom! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Seno
Puk Kai
22:46 12/9/2003
go steam go go go [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
23:05 12/9/2003
Steam's a good beta delivery platform. That's all [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NukeD
virtual Junkies
23:10 12/9/2003
gaybar [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
N38
23:21 12/9/2003
steam is s***, thats all.

ive left it running for about 5 hours now and its still "converting half-life files into steam cache" [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Abysmal
23:28 12/9/2003
Valve's reason is very plausable, I'd believe them. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Toomy
23:59 12/9/2003
it's a good idea, but very verrrrrrrrrrrry flawed at the moment. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Lyo`
eSports.Edge
00:22 13/9/2003
hmmm... after leaving it on the stage of

'Converting HL files into stream cache'

then going to work for 7 hrs and just gettin back its still on

'Converting Base Goldsrc Shared Content Localized file into steam cache'

7hr?
WTF? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Macca
00:53 13/9/2003
spywhere can suck my c**k simple as

IT SHJOULD BE MAKE ILLIGAL
I HAVE NOT BEEN DRINKING FALME ME! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
dirtydan
01:05 13/9/2003
how u get the screen that says 170 mins etc? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hyperion
01:26 13/9/2003
;o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
OverlordRob
Asylum.uk
11:28 13/9/2003
i think i must have been one of the few people who got a complete update of steam and 1.6 first time no problems whatsoever. I have NTFS file ssytem and that gcache.gcf doesnt even exist for me (as Valve say its left empty) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SuperNick
11:35 13/9/2003
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/437/437879p1.html [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Velta
Professional Gamer
13:22 13/9/2003
'Monitor' dirtydan [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Velta
Professional Gamer
14:27 13/9/2003
Steamazza would of been a tophotshot headline for this post [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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ClanNEW
19:42 13/9/2003
whoo another comment deleted i'm on a roll [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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18:31 10/5/2004
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