Power to the people : Steam Update!

Posted by flicK at 09:22 4/5/2004.

It seems that all the whining and petitions have payed off for the Counter Strike Community who have been rallying against the latest steam update. We saw enlarged crosshairs being introduced, which were quite ugly, an updated headshot icon and of course the delay to the zoom's on the AWP and Scout rifles.

Well late yesterday night, Jesse Cliffe released the information for the new steam update that takes place immdiatley. This includes:

COUNTER-STRIKE: CONDITION ZERO
Scaled crosshair based on 1024 * 768
Tweaked weapon sounds
New custom mission creation document (/manual/czmissiondoc.rtf)
Updated headshot icon

COUNTER-STRIKE
Scaled crosshair based on 1024 * 768
Updated de_vertigo
Updated headshot icon

ALL STEAM GAMES
Updated HLTV with sv_downloadurl

Personally I dislike CS:CZ so I haven't been in to check the updates out, but I've taken two screenshots for you all so you can check out the updates before you get in game.

New Crosshair

New headshot icon

As you can see however, the AWP hasn't been updated. But these two new updates will certainly be a small success to your protesting against VALVe constant unecessary tweaking. Read Jesse Cliffe's offical forum thread here

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DooMeh
Lite
09:31 4/5/2004		 n1 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NeonCraze
Viva La Resistance
09:31 4/5/2004		 oooo power to the people! ;o) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
FragMentor
09:31 4/5/2004		 awp delay was the only 'fix' that was needed rly [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Longo-old
suiGeneris
09:32 4/5/2004		 f*** sake i liked the new xhair in 800... can they just leave the it alone [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
MadSpunk
Last Chance
09:32 4/5/2004		 So use a 640 res and u get a nice tiny 1024 Xhair, use 1024 res and u get a 1024 Xhair... interesting. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
flicK
09:33 4/5/2004		 lol :s [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Bard-
09:37 4/5/2004		 2 wrongs.... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Loxam
Lite
09:37 4/5/2004		 CS:CZ used that headshot symbol with the gun by the side before, I was baffled why they changed it to the big skull :? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
BArra
09:38 4/5/2004		 new crosshair is tiiiny [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NukleuZ
Black Death Warriors
09:40 4/5/2004		 fs no more skulls they wer class :'( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Carb
theb0g
09:42 4/5/2004		 Please GOD say they aren't changing my 640x480 crosshair. That was the only good thing about the previous new update. They should have undone the changes to AWP too in my opinion.

Anyone in 640x480 notice whether they have made the crosshair smaller? I really hope they haven't because it felt right as the size it was. If it's gonna cause so much annoyance they should go back to the crosshairs they had for each res before they started fiddling again. Just solve the problems that NEED fixing, instead of making new ones. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Longo-old
suiGeneris
09:43 4/5/2004		 rofl so.... 1024 xhair in all res's?? ur f***ing s***ting me [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
flicK
09:44 4/5/2004		 The new crosshair is just like it is in the pic I took. Although it isn't full size, it's basically actuall size. V Small. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
BArra
09:47 4/5/2004		 yeh its the 1024 crosshair in every resolution [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NukleuZ
Black Death Warriors
09:55 4/5/2004		 how about fixing the f***ing model bug? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
TaMiLTiGeR
09:55 4/5/2004		 Scaled crosshair based on 1024 * 768

^^^ THANK f***IN GOD !!!!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Glover
09:56 4/5/2004		 get the new w**k awp change fixed [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
skank
09:56 4/5/2004		 Splendid, now give us our awp back and I'm a happy bunny. =] [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ilic``
Team56
09:57 4/5/2004		 fvckin damn straight [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
KritikaL
10:00 4/5/2004		 NOOOOOOOOOO the cross hair sux ass omg :( what r they doing [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Longo-old
suiGeneris
10:02 4/5/2004		 why change stuff that no one complained about.. i dont think anyone had a problem with the new xhair.. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Glover
10:05 4/5/2004		 isnt this a 3rd new xhair? doesnt seem like the old default [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Pikaflu
Kabuki Mono
10:07 4/5/2004		 Why can't they stop being lazy and give us an option for crosshair size in the menu? Lazy valve O_o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
10:13 4/5/2004		 pfft Pikaflu. Dont be so sensible [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
skank
10:19 4/5/2004		 People who used 640x480 had no problems with the old-new xhair (it was exactly the same size), others, like myself, who used higher res like 1024 found the old-new xhair aweful as it was MASSIVE. So now with the new-new xhair, it's great for me as it is the same size as the old-old xhair at 1024 but the people who use 640 don't like it as it seems tiny to them. Personally I think it is better this way round, but then I would. Though if you look at other games, xhairs do tend to be tighter for weapons that can shoot accurately, as all the weapons in CS can, so in that respect it is more logical for them to be smaller/tighter. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DArtagnan
Infinity-eSports
10:20 4/5/2004		 It's s***, it's too small, now the other half of the community who were happy with the x-hair will complain. Why cant they just keep it so x-hairs differ for which resolution you use, that way people have a choice?! Or even make a little menu option of x-hair size. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
cobbeh
fluid element
10:21 4/5/2004		 no problems for me with the update, but i think they should update the actual crosshair in my opinion, like having a small line around it so it has more impact and therefor make it easier to see on the likes of dust2 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
skank
10:23 4/5/2004		 DArtagnan gotta love the way the TSN guys were saying ur nick on the UKT commentary btw, had me in stitches. If that is the way you say it too I apologise in advance. :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
bodin
10:25 4/5/2004		 ^ lol :D:D

and i think that the new hs icon is better, not sure about the x-hair but if it makes craig happy im sure i can get used to it ;P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Listy
TrickShots
10:27 4/5/2004		 changing the xhair suits me - skulls were fun while they lasted but please change our wap back! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DArtagnan
Infinity-eSports
10:27 4/5/2004		 How were they saying it? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
skank
10:28 4/5/2004		 err dunno how i can say it here, kinda Daartanyaaan in a french sorta way. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
skank
10:29 4/5/2004		 That's how u say it innit, I just really insulted you haven't I... ¬_¬ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DArtagnan
Infinity-eSports
10:31 4/5/2004		 How can u insult some1 by saying their name wrong?

It's a french name as in pronounced dar-tan-yan [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
skank
10:34 4/5/2004		 Aye I know it's a French name, hey this is a CS website people get insulted if you say AK>m4, so u never know. I guess they were saying it close to correct then, just a little over the top. Gotta love those American accents, so great for commentary. Oh and anyone got a pic of Ashtons cousin yet? :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Demo
conneXion
10:36 4/5/2004		 why actually make it even worse... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Kraken
10:37 4/5/2004		 Why dont Valve concentrate on things like NEW skins, new guns, new maps, new anti hack methods?? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
skank
10:37 4/5/2004		 Mashton* [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
10:41 4/5/2004		 HI SAMI! Chris here! Im in england, ooooo >D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Magic^
10:44 4/5/2004		 small xhair ... much better

id rather have everyone not spraying cause they have a smaller xhair than the opposite

or having 640 res were people can spray much easier than others which isnt fair either really [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Carb
theb0g
10:45 4/5/2004		 This kind of s*** makes me want to stick knitting needles down the japseye of Cliffe. YOU f***ING RETARD STOP f***ING AROUND AND FIX THE MAJOR PROBLEMS. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Glover
10:46 4/5/2004		 gotta laugh at all the people who said complaing and doing petitions wouldnt change a thing. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
skank
10:47 4/5/2004		 Surely you can think of something more painfull than knitting needles down japs-eye? C'mon use your imagination. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
trix-
10:48 4/5/2004		 valve really are a bit stupid arn't they, changing the cross hair from one extreme to the other, the only reason I used 640 was because of the big crosshair >8[ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
akujii0r
Infinity-eSports
10:52 4/5/2004		 awful xhair [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ripper
Rush!
10:55 4/5/2004		 =[ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Carb
theb0g
10:58 4/5/2004		 Someone take a screenshot of the new crosshair in 640x480 if they can and post it up =/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
nixoh
enamor
11:05 4/5/2004		 Very stupid of valve.... i love 1024 crosshair and couldnt seem to aim with the 640 cause it was too fooking big, altho this is a good change for me now the other half of the community r gunna hate it.
If its not broken then dont fix it!!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Makaveli-
feo
11:05 4/5/2004		 New crosshair is mad :D, love it and i use 640, now when I aim the crosshair on peoples heads instead of the bodies, they die in one bullet :x [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
e
11:06 4/5/2004		 isnt it the same in all res ? i quite like it, 800 font size etc but the smallness of 1028 :> but thats just me. gues the point is so everyone uses same , = more fair [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
skank
11:09 4/5/2004		 Yeah I heard the next update is gonna make CS only work on 19" monitors as well to make it even fairer. ¬_¬ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
p1e
11:11 4/5/2004		 ah the tinkermen do it again, how bout fixin some bugs.. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ablation
contact!
11:15 4/5/2004
or having 640 res were people can spray much easier than others which isnt fair either really

Yeah but ppl who use 640 res (still) get screwed at long range. If the latest change is "unfair" to any group of users it's those who use low resolutions. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Carb
theb0g
11:15 4/5/2004		 It's not the same though e. That is the point. People like what they were used to. 1024 users like the changes because it means they have their old crosshair back. 800 users will be torn between loving and hating it. 640 users (in the mainstay) will probably hate it.

They should have left it how it was before the tinkering or made an option so you can select crosshair size from whatever resolution for any given resolution you choose. For example 1024x768 crosshair in 800x600 resolution, 800x600 crosshair in 1152x864 resolution, 640x480 crosshair in 640x480 resolution etc. That at least gives people the freedom to choose what they use rather than be forced to play in something they don't want to. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ablation
contact!
11:18 4/5/2004		 Yeah absolutely Carb - surely it wouldn't be that hard to add a cl_crosshairsize type variable? They could have a cl_crosshaircolor variable to go with it. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
trix-
11:19 4/5/2004		 The point was before these two updates people actually had a choice between chosing res's consequently being able to chose cross hair size. Now people are forced into using the small cross hair instead of being given a choice. New size in 640:
http://www.btinternet.com/~sarah.m.gibbs/xhair3.JPG [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Kraken
11:20 4/5/2004		 Hi CHRIS :)

You b****** gay.

Where are you? Too far to get to London? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Zorro-
Clan [F]
11:22 4/5/2004		 if someone can explain me the relation between sv_downloadurl and HLTV...
thought that was just for gameservers, to host maps+sounds on a webserver, so it speeds up downloading for players who are missing content like that. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
11:22 4/5/2004		 I'm gonna play in 640 all the time now, that new xhair is the beefiest win ever from the looks of that screeny [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
David Smith
Infinity-eSports
11:24 4/5/2004		 Dumb really dumb :/

Why don't they replace the spraypaint option in menu with crosshair option. I mean who uses spraypaints apart from total gimps? Or simply give us back our default resolution!

Then there are all the other problems! :/

/me goes back to playing Atari 2600 [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
flicK
11:25 4/5/2004		 <img src="http://perso.wanadoo.fr/paat38/update.jpg"> Someone make an update for that pic ;) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
gand
11:25 4/5/2004		 excuse my total lack of skill and knowledge in cs, but why is a very small xhair bad? i mean if it pinpoints exactly the head of the enemy, why is it a bad thing for 640x480?

cos i use 640 res and i thought this change was even better cos i could have a small xhair on a big nice fluffy head [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
11:27 4/5/2004		 aye, that's why 640 sucked for long range previously [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
gand
11:29 4/5/2004		 professional gaming friends of mine tell me that it sucks for spraying now, thats the reason

thank god i have all these contacts in high places [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
fez
11:32 4/5/2004		 when i first pld with it i thought it was s***, but after playin for a while i think it might actually benefit the lower resolutions more, as now u have big models with a small crosshair so u can aim better. seemed like that for me when i was playing [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DK
Stalk Confront Engage Eliminate
11:39 4/5/2004		 ooooooooh might drop a res and see if the bigger head small (same size for me) xhair is better :)

so funny how its changed and now the low res users (most) are kicking off, when I had to use that s***ty large one at UKT6 on the weekend :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Carb
theb0g
11:40 4/5/2004		 Because people are used to their normal crosshair and have learnt to aim, compensate recoil, burst, spray etc with it. It seems that the people with a res beneath 1024 are being made the victims of this update. I don't want a small crosshair. If I did I'd play in 1152x864. If you can aim then the original 640x480 crosshair wasn't a problem for you at long range.

I already hate the look of 640x480 now and I've not even played it with the updated crosshair. Thanks for the screeny Trix. I'd switch to 1024x768 when I get home but knowing VALVe they'll change it to 1152x864 just for laughs. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
skank
11:41 4/5/2004		 Model sizes are the same for all resolutions as these are geometry based and so not affected by resolution. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
toko
euthanasia
11:42 4/5/2004		 did they actual listen though we wanted the AWP changed not the other stuff. the crosshair was fine the headshot thingy was fine :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
skank
11:43 4/5/2004		 That means the heads etc are the same size across resolutions btw. =] [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ablation
contact!
11:44 4/5/2004		 The reason 640 is hard at long range was not because of the large crosshair anyway imo - it was simply that you could only see 1 pixel of the guy you were shooting. Having a miniscule crosshair isn't going to help there, and it makes recoil control feel odd. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
11:50 4/5/2004		 Having a smaller xhair will help no end. If you have a large xhair you're not gonna be able to tell with 100% accuracy every time where the exact centre of that xhair is. The larger it is, the larger the deviation is going to be. If you make your xhair the smallest it can be, i.e. a single dot, then you would have a perfect estimation of where your xhair was gonna be each time.

If you go to the other extreme and enlarge the xhair so it is on the very edges of the screen you'll have a similar accuracy to unscoped awping. The further away your target is, i.e. the smaller it'll be, the harder it will be to hit it in those conditions [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
trix-
11:51 4/5/2004		 true doz, but its not just that, the recoil control with a bigger xhair seemed a lot easier than with a smaller one, the bullets when you spray arn't as accurate with 1024 xhair in my opinion. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
skank
11:54 4/5/2004		 I think that is just an optical illusion caused by the tighter xhairs tbh trix, u have more bullets outside the xhair spread so it seems worse, sure you'll get used to it. Of course if the sizes were changeable ppl wouldn't have to get used to anything.... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
SFAL^Sarge
Viva la!
11:58 4/5/2004		 small crosshair = more accurate

thats why i used to use 1024 until my PC couldnt handle the FPS, now i get 1024 crosshair in 800x600 o/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
trix-
11:58 4/5/2004		 il get used to it :) but i dont see why i should be made to change in the first place :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DoZ
Anti-saviour of UKT
11:58 4/5/2004		 I dunno about the spray, I find it fine in any res. I'll see what it's like when I get home ;-) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Sm[o][o]th
12:01 4/5/2004		 Thye had to choose a crosshair size to standardize it so it is the same in all resolutions.

What they neglected to take note of when they changed it to 640, what the twice as many people use 1024 resolution, the most common in CS, this way they standardised the crosshair size, and keep most people happy.

TBH the only reason I use a higher resolution is because I got a smaller crosshair :P [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
foolio
12:01 4/5/2004		 hows the xhair on 800x600? i only heard ppl whinin who r on 640x460 and ppl saying its alrite on 1024xwatever. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
suki
12:01 4/5/2004		 agree with trix's comment on the spraying. its not as the same with smaller crosshair [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]

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