Clan Line-up changes and UGS against Shield

Posted by Velta at 22:47 15/9/2003.

"UGS will not be allowing the use of the Tactical Shield in league play until the item is updated or changed by Valve. There are a few issues concerning the item including a server crash bug, hit boxes and exploits. When the shield is updated, we will then reevaluate our position"

CyberXgames have put up a public poll in regards to the public opinion of the riot shield. It seems that the CPL being the leading tournament will decide the overall use of the shield.

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duck.
Online Multiplayer Gaming
23:05 15/9/2003
gl blueprint! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Velta
Professional Gamer
23:06 15/9/2003
gl [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
nte
23:06 15/9/2003
dave i love you! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
cobbeh
fluid element
23:07 15/9/2003
GoL are just kidding themselves with that s*** team, but whateva gl Souledge and GoL, eeeer dunno much about phobia but gl neway, and ul 1.6, its a right failure 'atm' [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Velta
Professional Gamer
23:08 15/9/2003
No where near as good as they used to be, but still one to watch out for if they can get the practice/tp right. I think they might be hanging on a thread atm as Souledge was the leader [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Danneth
23:09 15/9/2003
gl lads [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
cobbeh
fluid element
23:10 15/9/2003
n same to HLO, just using the name really :o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
fez
23:10 15/9/2003
shield is so f***ing bugged its untrue along with cbble and steam... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Atemi
ForsakeN
23:10 15/9/2003
id watch out for that danneh bloke, one slip of the tongue and he'll "own your face at lan with a spade"

beware!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
cobbeh
fluid element
23:11 15/9/2003
Nick you sexy ass mudda chucka, get me off zebras :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Velta
Professional Gamer
23:11 15/9/2003
If any admin can change Adam to 'adm' youll save me constantly getting banned by adm. thx. :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
cindy
23:12 15/9/2003
hate u velta :( my name is adm not Adam. It sounds so gothjewlike [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Atemi
ForsakeN
23:13 15/9/2003
danneh wont like that capital D either im afraid, id change it b4 he see's unless u want to be subjected to his online hardman act [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
teamx
23:14 15/9/2003
snajdan owns :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Velta
Professional Gamer
23:14 15/9/2003
:-( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Hektic
23:15 15/9/2003
its a shame the cpl ARE the leading tournament cus theyv f***ed over too many gaming scenes by theyr lack of knowledge [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
malenko
23:15 15/9/2003
Robstah is class [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
deebo
Mel Gibson
UKTerrorist
23:17 15/9/2003
done velta mate. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Velta
Professional Gamer
23:20 15/9/2003
I wouldnt agree in terms of CPL.CS Hektic but ive believe there were some pretty s***ty choices for UT [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
m0rph
Infinity-eSports
23:23 15/9/2003
bit racist not using the shield. if it was maybe lighter it would be allowed. oh well, bit unfair tho imo [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Velta
Professional Gamer
23:23 15/9/2003
cheers deebo [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Velta
Professional Gamer
23:26 15/9/2003
I reckon the shield should have some kind of AP (bit like armour) as its stupidly strong. AWP can shoot through walls but not through a 3 inch shield? :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Atemi
ForsakeN
23:28 15/9/2003
aye awps go thru walls, blast doors, armoured vehicles but not thru a shield which is light enuff for a ct to carry up and down a ladder as if they didnt have it [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ki55
Shoot First Ask Later
23:28 15/9/2003
Madbarry from SFAL? He left about 6 months ago :/ [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
nicklearse
Missing In Action
23:58 15/9/2003
adm is crap so there goes any hopes for that up and coming team [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Ripper
Rush!
00:02 16/9/2003
LOL atemi [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Slider`
eSports.Edge
00:03 16/9/2003
cynical clowns! The shield should be used, not just for its comedy value but also for tactical spotting. The only people against its use are the people who cant use it for s***, kinda like the AWP. You get the same ppl b***hing about the riot shield equal to the amount of ppl playing on "dust2 - no AWP" servers - quit whinging and get on with it [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Atemi
ForsakeN
00:11 16/9/2003
at least if u hit some who has an awp, then you kill them, you can pound sum1 with a shield with 4 clips of ak, fire as many awp bullets at him as u want and u wont do any damage wot so ever, and then all they have to do is take aim while ur shooting him to s*** and when u reload he just right clicks shoots ya head and ya dead.

the upcoming uk CB cup looks like they are going to ban the shield which im pleased bout, hopefully other leagues will take notice and follow suit. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
bop
Last Chance
00:16 16/9/2003
totally agree with atemi, hate the shield, makes the game unbalanced. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
DooMeh
Lite
00:16 16/9/2003
i think its about time somebody made a press release [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NukeD
virtual Junkies
00:26 16/9/2003
Make the shield $7000 and im f***ing happy :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Slider`
eSports.Edge
00:28 16/9/2003
oh my...
u could moan about the fact that in reality 1 bullet from a glock would kill u, but it doesnt in cs - counter-strike aims to realistic as possible, but obviously its gonna fall short on some occasions.
Just imagine if u gave the shield AP, id just spray the guy down until it wore away the AP and killed him. Making the shield able to take unlimited damage adds a new approach. If it did have a didicated number number of armour points it would most certainly be a waste of $2000, or whatever stupid price it has been put up to since 1.6 beta (where it was about $1000) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NukeD
virtual Junkies
00:29 16/9/2003
the fact that it crashes servers is enough for not using it... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Atemi
ForsakeN
00:41 16/9/2003
yeah fair enuff cs as a whole aint realisitc. but dunno how to explain it but its like the game has its own set of rules in that it take more bullets to kill sum1 with a weaker gun, the shield just totally breaks the rule and unbalances the game. it takes lots of glock bullets to kill sum1, then less with a colt then even less with an awp, and the awp goes thru walls, blast doors and armoured vehicles so quite how they can then put a f***ing shield in and make it invincible just doesnt fit in with the current set of rules which apply to guns and their strength to damage opponents. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Pyroux
2seXeh 2perfoRm
01:06 16/9/2003
if it was real and there was a riot then id call for air support

THIS IS EAGLE ONE REQUESTING AIR SUPPORT AT ALPHA CHARLIE ZERO ONE NINER.. OVER

'Counter-Terrorists Win!' [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Tax0r^--
euthanasia
01:52 16/9/2003
shield is well stupid, and 1.6 should be burned, revert back to 1.5 ! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
02:44 16/9/2003
<LATE NIGHT BORED TIRED ESSAY ALERT>

i dont hate the shield because it makes u basically invincible, i hate it because it kills action, u turn a corner, see a ct, ur reactions & aim >>>>>>> his, but what shows from it ? nothing, so u just walk around waiting half an hour for him to drop his guard, coz lets be honest a half decent player with a shield controls the 1v1s entirely and the ball is always in their court

from a t's POV, every time i turn a corner and i see a ct with a shield, i get instantly bored, bored bored and bored, theres no challenge, theres no adrenaline rush for trying to get the kill, theres no POINT to having fast reactions or brilliant aim, and there certainly aint any f***ing excitement in it

shield de_stroys the action & skill that FPS is entirely based apon, they need to make it so u cant have a gun with the shield, that way it can be used tactically by clever people and still be very worthwhile in the right hands with excellent teamplay, but it wont completely unbalance the skill of cs in return. the shield seems to have meant to bring out the "teamplay" aspect u imagine from swat teams, but instead it does seem to reinforce the "rambo" element - being that if only 1 ct buys a shield, that ct is almost always the last ct alive and the one that has the most likelyhood to kill anything (yes, buying awp may be the strongest/best gun in the game, but someone with way more skill and a usp could kill more on an eco than u do with an awp, with the shield that is totally taken away because u need no skill at all to use it, if u see my point), shield+nogun would ensure u could only use it for tactical teamplay which is surely what it was intended for in the first place, and would at least stand a chance of opening up doors for more fun/exciting! tactics

i really dont think that making it so DE/AWP bullets went thru the shield would have any point at all, it wouldn't balance the shield, it'd just make it completely unbalanced against all the other weapons (as it is now) but make the AWP/DE completely unbalanced against IT, defeating the point of changing it entirely.

basically, the shield was meant to bring out more tactical teamplay, yet has just given people an easy way to rambo it up and i reckon they should get rid of carrying a gun, that way it can only be used for tactics, will rarely ever be used in publics (thank god) but could open up interesting ideas for clan wars if ure bored enough to actually be clever and think about using it

id rather have the shield take skill & challenging tactics to use but rarely ever see it used at all let alone properly (especially on publics), than have anything remotely near what its like atm

and btw does anyone else think that the new t "machine gun rifle wannabe thing" is just the old mp5, kinda defeating the point of the mp5 havin been balanced throughout the past versions of cs. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
NukeD
virtual Junkies
03:13 16/9/2003
bored idd :| [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Monty
06:43 16/9/2003
Shield bug owns i went from uk2 to cpl in 1 beta

o/ <o> o< /o [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Katori
Choke
07:54 16/9/2003
gl phobia [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Samje
08:58 16/9/2003
i agree with what shads said.

gl to blueprint, GoL. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Obz
09:22 16/9/2003
"UGS will not be allowing the use of the Tactical Shield in league play until the item is updated or changed by Valve. There are a few issues concerning the item including a server crash bug, hit boxes and exploits. When the shield is updated, we will then reevaluate our position"

What a bunch of morons. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
09:31 16/9/2003
Why are they morons? With the shield bug you can fire and still be invincible at the same time?? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
shads
theb0g
09:33 16/9/2003
v v v wp Obz [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Samje
09:39 16/9/2003
#buy88 <-- pro shield clan starting up :) if ur interested in joining, pop in and see us o> [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Slider`
eSports.Edge
10:13 16/9/2003
ahahahah, now that i gotta see.
If you get a bunch of decent players all with shields, they could easily rip appart a fairly good clan.

be sure to post up ANY HLTV demos [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
AndersSchm
10:56 16/9/2003
Personally I think Valve have been watching Time Commanders too much while working on 1.6. I think it will also affect future CS development.

They should have called the shield a "Pavise" and coupled with it a crossbow. 1.7 they could then replace the AWP with a trebuchet you setup at spawn. 1.8 all the rifles are replaced with polearms, smg's with swords and pistols with pitchforks... [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Goz
11:42 16/9/2003
Can't believe someone nicked the PhoBia name. We created [-PhoBia-] back in november '99 before folding it back in summer 2001.

Good luck to the name stealers ;) hehehe [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Samje
11:56 16/9/2003
They have also renamed themselves as Blueprint
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Obz
13:16 16/9/2003
Smittins... didnt know about the bug... but i bet they didnt either.. UGS blatantly had a "oh look its different and i got shot - lets ban it" mentality.

The shield ROCKs in my opinion.. its just what the game needed to give it a little exra life.. Moving cover is gonna make such a difference to gameplay tactics... I only wish T's could buy it.. because they are the ones that do the rushing..

P.S My little brother is one of the dorks that sits at the computers in that time commanders program.. hehe [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Obz
13:17 16/9/2003
doh! delete it!! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
ryano
theb0g
13:35 16/9/2003
you don't really need to do what shads said, just make it so that it is not bugged to the eyeballs. I've noticed that when they run sideways you kind of see their legs but can't shoot at them. I think you should be able to shoot any part of the body available.

Due to the way the hitboxes work in Half Life though, I don't know how possible that is :( [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
St_George
g30rg3h
UKTerrorist
13:43 16/9/2003
D: [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Fugg3h
meatyballs
14:27 16/9/2003
"UGS will not be allowing the use of the Tactical Shield in league play until the item is updated or changed by Valve. There are a few issues concerning the item including a server crash bug, hit boxes and exploits. When the shield is updated, we will then reevaluate our position."

Suggests they knew about the bugs doesn't it? ¬_¬

In other shield related fun:

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Fugg3h
meatyballs
14:28 16/9/2003
Well that didn't work :/. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
disty
14:57 16/9/2003
bah every1 knows about shield bug now, spent hours running round servers being invincible from the front + no1 said s*** muwhahaha :D [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Velta
Professional Gamer
15:16 16/9/2003
He went inactive for a while Ki55 but is now back, SFAL was his last clan so i just stuck that in there [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
GaZ-
15:32 16/9/2003
the sheild is a f***in joke u dont need gud aim and fast reactions in cs no more its turned into a nubs game
following some 1 half the way around a map with a sheild and then gettin owned when he decides to pull his gun out is a joke well done valve u have tottally f***ed cs up and yes i did moan like this when they stopped jumpin in 1.4 but the sheild totally changed the game

no jumping >> sheild [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Obz
16:01 16/9/2003
none of this will matter in two weeks... who in their right mind will play CS once HL2 is out??? [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Smittins
16:06 16/9/2003
You still reckon HL2 will be out September 30th? Oh my! [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Obz
16:48 16/9/2003
I live in hope. [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
the danneh
ForsakeN
17:00 16/9/2003
sort the bold out velta u fluffle [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Blade^
twisted Reality
17:37 16/9/2003
i dont wanna disrespect Blueprint but why did they get a mention? surely the latino sausage loving man "fsk" shld get mention bout joinin a new team :P ( qTp )

gl blueprint aint heard of any of ya b4 cept danneh but gl [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
the danneh
ForsakeN
18:01 16/9/2003
sexyooup blade
*stroke*
weeeeeeeeeeee
its cos velta is a crooked admin
andy bite me u c**klobster [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Velta
Professional Gamer
21:37 16/9/2003
think its cause phobia/insomnia have been around a lot longer than qtp and have done well in various leagues [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
Blade^
twisted Reality
21:52 16/9/2003
ah right, ill b sure to moan back at u when we do well/win them too :) [ Comment: Report | IP: Logged ]
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